Vow To Reject Health Care

[sandnsea]

Sign in here.

You won't use the public option. You won't use the exchange. You won't use the subsidy.

You have the same principles you expect from Congress. No public subsidized health care until we get single payer.

I'll come back in 2013 and see how you're doing, provided we get a good bill through Senate.

[Coyote_Bandit]

1. I'm a throwaway

I haven't seen a doctor for any reason in about 15 years. I am well aware of the likelihood that I will live an unnecessarily diminished and shortened life. Nothing in the frickin' house bill changes those expectations.

[sandnsea]

4. Same with me,

until I got subsidized health insurance.

[Coyote_Bandit]

9. Subsidies

don't mean shit to someone without an income. And we sure as hell are not creating jobs.

[sandnsea]

11. Free Medicaid does n/t

[happy2bhere]

18. look at the numbers

you will probably get free health care
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6964544

[Coyote_Bandit]

23. Ummmm......

Don't think so. I may be unemployed but I do have insurance. It has a $10,000 deductible and a significant co-pay beyond that. Income is not the only qualifier for that high risk pool. I'd have to cancel that policy and be uninsured for 6 months to qualify for that pool. Grossly underinsured doesn't meet muster.

[sandnsea]

27. Medicaid.

You don't have to do anything to qualify for Medicaid except meet income standards.

The temporary high risk pool is for people who don't qualify for medicaid and don't have anything at all right now. They will be able to move into the exchange or the public option later. As will anybody whose insurance doesn't meet minimum standards and is more than 12% of agi.

[Coyote_Bandit]

32. Ummmm......

Qualifying for Medicaid also requies consideration of resources/assets. Income standards are not the only qualifiers. My state requires that resources/savings be depleted below $3,000 before one becomes eligible for Medicaid. I'd have to deplete my savings to qualify. Not sure how they treat home equity here.

From the US Department of Health and Human Services:
"Many groups of people are covered by Medicaid. Even within these groups, though, certain requirements must be met. These may include your age, whether you are pregnant, disabled, blind, or aged; your income and resources (like bank accounts, real property, or other items that can be sold for cash); and whether you are a U.S. citizen or a lawfully admitted immigrant. The rules for counting your income and resources vary from state to state and from group to group. There are special rules for those who live in nursing homes and for disabled children living at home."

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/MedicaidGenInfo/

[sandnsea]

34. Yes. Income

Not all the stuff about your insurance policy that you mentioned. And when they create the criteria for the Medicaid for those at 150% of poverty, it will likely be less dependent on resources than it currently is. That's something we can all pay attention to and fight FOR.

[Oregone]

2. While I was about to sign on, quick question

My uncle's friend has a party at his lake house once a year, where he launches large house boats and doles out hors'de'vours and champagne to everyone....

Well, public subsidies will pay for that outrageous parties, being that they will partially be distributed to ol Rodney via dividends (he is a partial owner of a health insurance company). Is attending the party considered utilizing the public subsidies and this system? Cause you know, while I love purity pledges of all sorts, I really love a good party

Hey, BTW, can people also pledge not to use the mandates? Oh, no, eh? Wait a minute. Hrm.

[frazzled]

3. That would mean people giving up their employer-sponsored health insurance, too

It's subsidized by the federal government via corporate taxes.

[sandnsea]

5. I'll give that a pass

Just asking people to do the same thing they're asking Congress to do.

[Fumesucker]

8. Congress is going to prison?

If you do not purchase insurance the eventual penalty will be prison, and then you will get health care.

[sandnsea]

13. If they don't pay their taxes

To cover the subsidies and the Medicaid expansion, yes they'll go to prison.

[Fumesucker]

21. But then they will have health care and will be violating their pledge..

Can you say "Catch 22"?

Sure, I knew you could..

[redqueen]

14. OMG you are still flogging that 'prison' shit?

Wow... shameless.

[Fumesucker]

20. So what are they going to do if you don't buy insurance?

[winyanstaz]

31. it hasnt been decided yet..but there are still rumers of prison time

and mega fines....

[dgibby]

10. Why ask us to do what we want Congress to do?

Why not make Congress take whatever pos they give us instead of those great taxpayer funded plans they have now?

[sandnsea]

12. The have an exchange

Just like the exchange we'll be getting, except the exchange will have a public option too.

But if you want single payer only, then pledge not to take it.

What's so hard about that?

[Go2Peace]

6. Isn't that kind of like telling a homeless person not to use a shelter because it is run by fundies?

If they need healthcare they will use whatever resources are in place. Period. And who are you to suggest they should not? You want them to die so they will be seen as "consistant" in your mind?

[sandnsea]

15. If the homeless person fights against shelter funding

then I would expect them to stay the hell out of them.

[winyanstaz]

19. yes I am sure a heartless person like you would expect that.

[sandnsea]

25. lol, that is too rich

I want people to have health care, I'm fighting for the 150% of poverty and the better subsidies in the House - and I'm the one who is heartless??

The people who would let people die while they're sitting pretty with health coverage themselves are the ones who are heartless.

[winyanstaz]

30. thank you for fighting for those things.

I just felt that unless you have been homeless and are of an alternative or atheist belief....you would expect them to not be angry that they have to sit and listen to things preached that is against everything they believe in just to not freeze to death..and they should shut up while it happens too. Perhaps I misunderstood your post.
I am not an atheist but I am not a Christian..I am a pagan..and it would bother me to the point of protesting if I was forced to have to sit through dogma that I am very much against.
Why cant we just fight for everyone to have equal rights?
I am for the things you are fighting for as well..but I don't want to see women die in allys or bathtubs with coat hangers like I saw as a child. I lived through all the fighting for equal rights for the black people and for women's rights as well..and to see it all being kicked aside as far as women's rights just burns me to no end.

[sandnsea]

33. I take it you will be rejecting health coverage

Since you have so many moral objections to this bill, right?

[winyanstaz]

35. I will if this is all we get...

and it will make little difference to me because as a military war widow..I already cant afford a Dr.
But in the meantime I will still fight for womens equality and civil rights and not settle for my sisters to be made second-class citizens again.
Too many women have died in the past from not being able to get an abortion. I saw the pictures of some of the dead women that died from back alley abortions or do it yourself kits in their bathtubs when I was a small little girl and it was very horrific to me and something I will not accept easily again. And they were always the poor women that were found that way.
I do not accept this bill as a law because to me..to pass a law that denys women equal civil rights to their own bodies is evil.

[Skidmore]

7. Without insurance coverage of some sort,

I die or we lose everything.

[sandnsea]

16. I assume you support this plan then

considering you understand life without health coverage.

[Fumesucker]

24. Having insurance does not guarantee you are going to get health care..

I thought everyone on DU knew that by now.

[Skidmore]

28. I understand that if I do not receive the care I need or the medication

I will die. THat is what I understand. I cannot afford to be in debt inperpetuity to a hospital as an uninsured patient who gets charged higher rates for the the same procedure covered by insurance. If things continue the way they are, we won't be able to afford insurance period. If I drop the coverage we have access to now, under the current system I am ineligible for coverage by another company due to a preexisting condition.

My reality is that I will die. Does that register with you?

[sandnsea]

29. I would think you would support the current legislation then

Of course your situation registers with me. It's why I don't understand anybody opposing a plan that will give everybody assistance to buy either insurance or a public option. And expand Medicaid to millions of adults.

[AllentownJake]

17. Since we are debating the "progressive" bill

those things aren't going to exist in any meaningful form when the US Senate get's to legislating.

[theophilus]

22. And some say there is a difference in the far left and the far right....n/t

[Skidmore]

36. I'm not sure that there is such a thing as a "far" any direction anymore.

I'm just convinced that there are people who become so entrenched that they can't talk to one another anymore. Or that there are some ideas that just don't lend themselves to discussion in the current political climate. Perhaps we do all need to let it spiral out of control even more until we are all screaming in pain or dropping dead at high rates to get the attention of the obtuse.

[stray cat]

26. Sign a do not provide medical treatment edict! If ill or injured - let me die and don't treat!