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Mon Nov-09-09 07:28 PM
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Who is with me for a possible primary challenge for Kucinich? |
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A big question for me is whether or not we should just go ahead and do it, or offer to not do it in exchange for not challenging Obama. If he challenges Obama, his political career is over; the money will come out from all over and so will all the trashings of his reputation.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:28 PM
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Mon Nov-09-09 09:43 PM
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47. What do you expect, coming from a Lieberman |
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supporter (the OP)? He would only be happy if DK were the blue-est of the Blue Dogs.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:30 PM
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Shit statement was already taken.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:30 PM
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5. I haven't been following enough here to know where you stand... |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:32 PM
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9. Kucinich attacked all but twenty-four Democrats in the house. |
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Mon Nov-09-09 08:02 PM
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You might want to start at a lower level, like town board or something, work your way up. |
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Mon Nov-09-09 09:45 PM
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48. Because he has the guts to actually speak |
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truth to power, maybe? And some of those "Democrats" are really big-time DINOS. We don't need more "yes-men" in the House.
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Mon Nov-09-09 10:00 PM
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58. Almost everyone in this thread is against me, if not everyone. |
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Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 10:01 PM by LoZoccolo
According to your standards, does that automatically make what I say right?
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Mon Nov-09-09 10:13 PM
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60. If I were you I wouldn't worry about ever being right. |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:31 PM
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But I wouldn't cry about it. He seems to need some competition to keep him honest.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:31 PM
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7. Not just no, but fuck no. n/t |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:35 PM
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:33 PM
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10. sure, the only person who fought for a sane health bill should be eliminated |
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um.... what are you smoking?
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:47 PM
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30. I was wondering the same thing. |
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Mon Nov-09-09 09:46 PM
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49. The same funny stuff that caused him |
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to be such a staunch LieberAsshole supporter, especially during the '06 election.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:33 PM
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11. The last contender who challenged him got beaten badly. He only garnered 35%. |
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Kucinich's support in his district is strong. There's no reason to think things have changed considerably since the 2008 primaries in that district.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:35 PM
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17. But he sent Mr. I-stand-on-principle running home to keep his job. n/t |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:44 PM
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28. But one could easily argue he ran home because he was losing the presidential run very badly. |
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Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 07:45 PM by Selatius
He had nowhere else but home to go to after the pointless presidential run. It is better to spend resources removing some of the Blue Dog Democrats in favor of populist Democrats because their base of support is infinitely weaker in their districts. The liberals in the House act as a guide post. If it weren't for the Progressive Caucus, there wouldn't be a bill passed in the House at all. However, we can lose one or two Blue Dogs in the middle and still maintain an overall advantage against the Republicans.
One would probably more likely unseat Joe Lieberman before Dennis Kucinich at the current rate.
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Mon Nov-09-09 10:00 PM
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59. Which is good. Let them squander their $$$$ challenging a secure seat. |
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The less they will have for the closer races.
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Mon Nov-09-09 10:14 PM
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61. That's not that bad at all. Kucinich only got 50%. |
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There were 3 other challengers as well who split the remaining 15%. I think you rather overestimate Kucinich's support, and would not be at all surprised to see another challenge next year.
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Tue Nov-10-09 01:26 AM
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62. Yeah, but if history is any indication, any more than two challengers and Kucinich wins. |
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They fragment their own efforts when they put up more than one candidate. Besides, with first-past-the-post rules, you could technically win with just 35% if all the other candidates received less than that. With rules like that, 50% is pretty hefty. (It's also why there is a two-party oligarchy in place to begin with, but that's another discussion)
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Tue Nov-10-09 01:32 AM
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65. If you look at the listing of the Representatives according to personal |
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wealth, you will find Kucinich near the bottom -- meaning that he is one of the least wealthy members of the House. In other words, he is not on the take and he does not take advantage of his position for personal gain as are and do so many other members of Congress. Kucinich is a man of integrity. It would be very sad if someone put Kucinich out of office. One of the most honest of the members of Congress, that is who Kucinich is.
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Tue Nov-10-09 01:47 AM
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66. Very well said. Kucinich is a breath of fresh air in |
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DC.
He's apparently the most powerful man in Washington as someone pointed out yesterday. With all that's going on the world, he gets more Ops than any other politician, including Obama it seems.
He really riles up the DLCers, simply by telling the truth and not following their orders on what to say and when to say it.
I think a memo went out on Dennis from Rahms organization, the one that has lured the liberal groups like Move-on into the fold. Move-on, who does exactly what Rahm tells them, is trying to do what this poster is doing, go after the Congressmembers who exercised their right to not to vote for a bill they could not support.
Move-on turned out to be easily bought.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:34 PM
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But honestly I have more important things to worry about in my own state.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:34 PM
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13. est un rapport de merde |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:35 PM
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16. I nominate you! Then we can all visit your speeches and say "dooga dooga dooga dooga" |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:36 PM
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18. How much does the DLC pay these days? |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:53 PM
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34. Judging by the quality of posts spewing forth from the DLC defender brigade.. |
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even at Chinese slave labor wages, they would be paying too much.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:37 PM
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19. BREAKING: Kucinich quaking in his boots at a LoZo challenge. |
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Starts reading Oasis CD liner notes for strategy.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:38 PM
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20. Kucinich goes to "dooga dooga" coach to train for the debate! |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:38 PM
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:38 PM
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21. I have to unrec this for the sheer irrelevance of it |
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Dennis, much as I so frequently agree with him, is a bit player in the tableau that is American politics.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:38 PM
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23. No one. And why would they? |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:40 PM
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24. How 'bout a long step off a steep cliff for pseudo-pod Dems? n/t. |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:41 PM
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25. You can't tarnish someone of principle. |
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They will always have those that support them and those that oppose them.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:42 PM
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:45 PM
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29. There sure is a whole lot of unrecing going on! |
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:42 PM
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27. Blackmail. Interesting. So if you don't do exactly as you are told then you're out? |
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No wonder so many people don't belong to a political party. I myself have voted democrat in every election but I don't let anyone tell me how to vote. I don't belong to any party. My vote doesn't belong to anyone but me. If you have to vote the way you are told I will never belong to a political party. If Kucinich is some how kicked out of the democratic party and becomes an independent I would follow him.
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:49 PM
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33. So far, not too many are with you |
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Have you tried calling up DLC headquarters for any support?
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:58 PM
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36. still reeling over the bears loss yesterday....? |
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for the first time in history the cardinals kicked the shit out of the bears....
i think dennis is pretty safe in his district....
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Mon Nov-09-09 07:59 PM
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37. Do you care about anything but Obama? |
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Mon Nov-09-09 08:02 PM
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39. Easiest unrec I've ever made. |
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If all the assaults on Dennis are as "well-considered" as yours, he can go on vacation during primary season.
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Mon Nov-09-09 08:02 PM
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40. I'm all for a primary challenge for stupid posts!!11 |
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that you actually take yourself seriously.
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Mon Nov-09-09 08:09 PM
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45. I did not say that I was going to be the one to run. |
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I am just saying that it might be a good idea to get rid of someone who calls himself a Democrat and then takes opportunities to promote himself on the back of the Democratic Party.
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Mon Nov-09-09 09:51 PM
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51. Hey, I thought this thread was about DK and not |
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not LieberAsshole-uh, I mean, Lieberman. Seems to me you were all over the case of anyone here against Liebertraitor in '06 and beyond, when HE is the one, not DK, who's really against Dems.
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Mon Nov-09-09 09:58 PM
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55. If you'd donate to DU you'd be able to search and see that I wasn't thrilled about Lieberman... |
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...to begin with, and most of my criticisms were leveled at grassroots supporters of Lamont and not Lamont himself or his official campaign.
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75. Umm.......no, sorry, that's not the way I remember it. |
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You actually defended Lieberman several times and claimed that we needed to take the bad with the good, since he was still basically a good Democrat and we'd lose his "power" and position in the senate. Now, you had the right to that opinion and to express it. But we also had the right to call you on it. And, as it turns out, we were absolutely right about that republican-in-waiting. And I seem to recall your anger over Lamont's challenge as well, not just against his grassroots supporters.
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is one of only a few real Democrats left. The rest have moved so far to the right, they should no longer be categorized as Democrats.
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Mon Nov-09-09 08:05 PM
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42. Dennis is NOT part of the problem... |
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He is one of 2 or 3 Congressmen that are NOT on the take.... Why aren't you going after Stupak and the rest of the BlueDogs?
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Mon Nov-09-09 08:08 PM
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43. You are suffering from Beckian delusions. |
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is on my next primary ballot then he is getting my vote!
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Mon Nov-09-09 09:41 PM
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46. You're really good at what you do, I just wish you could find something better to do |
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Mon Nov-09-09 09:50 PM
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50. Kucinich is the new Nader. |
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You, the new J Carlos Jiacinto.
You just look stupid, man. How about preserving a little bit of dignity and stop this moranic crusade?
You'll never win given the progressive tide washing up on your whiny little butt.
Please, do us all a big favor and go away and get busy working for all those Blue Dogs and corporate Dems you support.
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Mon Nov-09-09 09:54 PM
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52. If people in Cleveland take your ideas as seriously as we take them here well........ |
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Tue Nov-10-09 11:14 AM
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76. The problem is that, having grown up in that area and having |
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lived there until a few years ago before moving to another state, and having close family still in that area, I have to say that DK does NOT have quite the support in his district that much of DU seems to think he does. He may very well be vulnerable to a challenger. His district is not all blue-collar, it includes a lot of upper-income republican-leaning neighborhoods as well. And the local press loves to bash him, too, never mind that they often don't get their facts straight.
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56. I don't care what Kucinich does in the primary. As long as it's not in the general. (nt) |
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Tue Nov-10-09 01:28 AM
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63. No. Stop it. Just stop it. |
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This insanity of threatening primary challenges against anybody who doesn't vote the way you like 100% of the time is totally counterproductive. I am hardly a big fan of Kucinich, but this stuff is just a waste of time.
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Tue Nov-10-09 02:25 AM
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67. OK Bill O'Reilly ("Shut up! Shut up! Cut his mike!"). n/t |
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Tue Nov-10-09 07:49 AM
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69. what is your intent with this thread, anyways? |
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Tue Nov-10-09 01:31 AM
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64. It doesn't look like anyone is with you. |
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What an asshat thing to do. Why don't you go back to gdp where you belong.
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70. If all Dems in congress |
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were like Dennis, we would now be celebrating "single payer" health care. And you think that is a bad thing??? Your critical thinking is in need of major repair. A proud unrec to you
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I bet you were mad that Kucinich wouldn't sign a loyalty oath, too.
Piss off.
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Tue Nov-10-09 08:18 AM
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73. I'm with making sure that people like you are relegated back to the fringe |
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Main Entry: mono·ma·nia Pronunciation: \ˌmä-nə-ˈmā-nē-ə, -nyə\ Function: noun Etymology: New Latin Date: 1823 1 : mental illness especially when limited in expression to one idea or area of thought 2 : excessive concentration on a single object or idea — mono·ma·ni·ac \-nē-ˌak\ noun or adjective — mono·ma·ni·a·cal \-mə-ˈnī-ə-kəl\ adjective — mono·ma·ni·a·cal·ly \-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
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Oh, now, that's not very nice!!! :rofl: :rofl:
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78. The strength of a man's convictions... |
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The strength of a man's convictions often shines a rather bright light on the weakness of those same convictions in so many others, compelling them to do their best to darken that illumination lest their character is seen...
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79. I'm backing a primary challenge FROM Kucinich in 2012. |
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