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DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:51 AM
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Why exactly are religions and cults tax exempt in America?
Can someone explain the history of this to me?

I really don't get it.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:56 AM
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1. They are supposedly charities.
While many churches etc. do charitable work, most of what they do consists of maintaining religious practices. Frankly, I don't see how paying to maintain ones own social club is charitable.

There may also be an idea that requiring churches etc. to pay taxes is somehow infringing on religious freedom. I don't see it that way. If their property and income is taxed the same as any other business, it is nondiscriminatory while the tax break is an affirmative promotion of religion.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:00 AM
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4. Agree
Taxes aren't anti-freedom, they don't prohibit anything. But the money these churches rake in tax free is definitely anti-freedom, they spend it to fight women's rights and gay rights across the country. Sickening!
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:58 AM
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24. I think it's long since time to force religions to split out their 501(c)4 activities from their...
...501(c)3 activities. Money raised to maintain the clubhouse,
recruit new club members, and do political lobbying shouldn't be
treated the same as money that is actually dedicated to true
charitable works.

Tesha
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optimator Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:57 AM
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2. america is a lot like afghanistan
we have a bunch of religious psychopaths with a lot of power and corruption at all levels of government
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:28 AM
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13. This is correct
The C-Street cult, the third wave, the Mammonites, the followers of Moon... it's scary business up there. Someone needs to have the stones to deal with these fools, before they tear us asunder.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 12:16 PM
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26. Yup, our fundies are no better than theirs.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:59 AM
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3. My understanding was that if they were exempt from taxes, they in turn
would not meddle in affairs of state as they had done in Europe.
That is working out really well so far, donchya think?
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DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:01 AM
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5. Wow, that's quite a statement! nt
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:05 AM
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7. kick for your comment
Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 10:05 AM by RainDog
honestly, religions are nothing more than political action groups.

their negative impact on society over the last thirty years far outweighs any benefits.

anything they do as charity work can be done by govt orgs that don't get to hate as a basic right.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:21 AM
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10. Their negative impact goes back much further than 30 years
Like, how long has man been on earth. About that long.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:22 AM
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11. Nothing more than political action groups?
It's clear that you're not speaking from the inside.

Yes, there are some who step over the line and should be penalized, but in all the churches I've ever attended in my 50+ years, the clergy have been absolutely scrupulous about taking political sides.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:37 AM
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15. Wow, that's a broad brush statement.
The negative impact is from the groups on the right, not the left.

The left produces peace activists, social activists, marriage equality activists, food pantries, homeless shelters, and much more.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:54 AM
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22. meh
here in chicago a lot of the clergy have a lot of clout, and get fat contracts to do jack shit. they are definitely lefty, always there at the peace marches, etc. but they also line their own pockets just fine.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:11 AM
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27. everything you mention can be done by non-religious groups
if a religious person believes in the causes you note, there are other venues, beyond religious affiliation that accomplish those same goals.

I am repulsed by the intrusion of religion into govt. what people do as private citizens is one thing. funding religious groups is unconstitutional.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:31 AM
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14. That is my understanding also.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:57 AM
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23. yup... that was the intent
obviously this government doesn't care too much since both parties have been compromised by religious dogma and now seem comfortable blurring the line between Church and State..
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:02 AM
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6. Separation of Church and state.
Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 10:02 AM by mmonk
However, since they are receiving federal funds now and shape policy these days, both in violation of the first amendment's establishment clause and its ideals, they shouldn't be able to be tax exempt any longer.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:19 AM
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9. Sadly, the faith based initiatives were held constitutional a couple
years ago - by the Robert's court of course.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:05 AM
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8. and nonprofits
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:25 AM
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12. Yes, if you're going to tax the little neighborhood mainstream church
that serves three free meals a week with no religious requirements, offers free meeting space to community groups, struggles to pay its utility bills, and has a priest who is absolutely scrupulous about not telling people how to vote (a description of the church I attended in Portland), then you'd better tax all non-profits.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:37 AM
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16. and most are not even that entertaining.. except for this guy

click the pic to hear him "preach"

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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:38 AM
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17. They aren't.
However, any organization can apply for tax exempt status under the 501(c)(3):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501%28c%29#501.28c.29.283.29
(provided they meet the necessary requirements, etc).
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:39 AM
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18. Thye original argument when exemption was granted was that the churches would care for the poor,...
Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 10:40 AM by WeDidIt
elderly, and sick thus removing the necessity of caring for the poor, elderly, and sick from the government.

They obviously never kept up their end of the bargain.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:40 AM
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19. Because they're classified as non-profit. n/t
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:41 AM
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20. Separation of church and state
:)
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:45 AM
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21. so the preachers can get rich
without being taxed.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 12:02 PM
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25.  Kenneth Copeland and others like him...


Lifestyles of the Rich and Religious

10/17/2007

"Lifestyles of the Rich and Religious" is the finest ongoing effort in the world in the field of Investigative Cartooning. Of course, it’s the only example in the world of Investigative Cartooning. Each month we comb through our vast archives of rich Christians, searching for the perfect . . . well, searching for the one who deserves . . . uh . . . searching for the one who’s easy to find, and then we subject him or her to the triple whammy of private eye Pete Evans, who puts together the facts and gathers the incriminating photos; drive-in journalist Joe Bob Briggs, who hangs around the outskirts of aforesaid Christian’s vast estate and writes about it; and cartoonist Jim Siergey, who brings this journalistic gospel to life with his fine brush strokes, as he complains loudly about how Pete and Joe Bob expect miracles of penmanship by forcing him to cram in thousands of words of copy. Herewith, everything you probably didn’t want to know about Kenneth Copeland, multi-millionaire preaching czar of Newark, Texas.

http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/lifestyles_copeland

My sister took an early retirement 3 years ago from her job in Texas and moved here in the village in Arkansas with $80,000. She and her husband are moving back to Texas to live with their son and wife because that $80,000 is all gone, her husband lost his job. She was throwing excessive money to her idol, Kenneth Copeland, and is obsessed with him, thinks God told her to. Sad.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:42 AM
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28. Separation of church and state?
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