NRA-driven bill fails in Florida (NRA wanted to force businesses to allow guns in worker's cars)

[Proud2BAmurkin]

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8OJ7IC00.htm

The fallout from the worst one-day gun massacre in modern U.S. history tinged the atmosphere Wednesday as a Florida House committee quashed a bill that would have forced businesses to allow employees to keep guns locked in their cars in company parking lots.

[Deep13]

1. Corporate lobby defeats gun lobby. nt

[BlueManDude]

2. yep, they ran into one of the few lobbies more powerful than they are

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. The NRA is all about Cho.

Cho is their main man. Cho is their spokesman.

[Deep13]

5. That's not true. RKBA sympathizers cringe everytime...

...someone commits a murder with a gun. It makes everyone else look guilty by association.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. It's all about the freedom for Cho guys to go & stock up on guns.

Because they can't admit that there's anything wrong with it.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

7. Why not let them bring them to work/school in their cars?

Good idea!

[Deep13]

11. I know you are being ironic, but my concern with that is the likelihood...

...of theft from motorvehicles. A thief might decide to break into every car in the lot just to steal a couple of pistols, and then he would be armed.

[Deep13]

9. I disagree.

I can't speak for the NRA and would never attempt to do so. For me it is about the freedom not to be a victim. Yeah, nonviolence is the best bet the vast majority of the time. I'm all for that. If the situation arises where there is a real threat, I know I cannot rely on the state to protect me. I've sent people to prison who will not be there forever. What happens if one of them figures out where I live? The advice of the handgun prohibitionists is lie back and take it. State power has a great potential to do good in the world. It cannot do everything and it cannot make us love each other. If a disaster on the scale of Katrina hits Ohio (like a crop failure or a gasoline shortage), I want to defend my home and my preparations from those who did not make any. As a man I have a right to put my home and my wife first. We don't give the state a monopoly on force around here for the same reason we do not let them decide guilt or innocence: we don't trust them. What is kind of funny is we seem to have the only political system where we assume our leaders will be corrupt and incompetent. And if Bushco's SA Blackwater goons come for the god-hating, unamurican libruls they will not find me such an easy target. Maybe it will be hard enought that they don't try it. If Walmart hires someone like that to crush unionizing violently, I think the workers should not be helpless. I frankly see gun ownership as an incident of citizenship like voting, jury duty, military service and paying taxes.

They ought to close the gun show loop-hole. I went to one once. The idea is that a private sale between individuals is exempt from the usual background checks. Somehow, travelling gun shows consisting of profit seeking businesses became "individual transfers." In not against regulation, just prohibition.

[The_Casual_Observer]

10. I see it as freedom not to be the victim of some crazy gun owner.

I see it as the freedom to attend school without the worry of getting my head blown off by some asshole
that stocked up on guns.

So I guess we look at freedom differently.

Apparently most of the civilized world seems to side with my take on freedom.

[Deep13]

12. Look, I'm not trying to belittle your concern.

I have been a victim of violence were I thought I was helpless. But countries with complete gun probition still have gun crimes, like in Mexico two days after V.T. There simply is no right to safety in this world. It think it is a mistake as a free society to depend on authority figures to keep us safe.* My own feeling is that it is the same raction that got us the Patriot Act and the Iraq War except on an individual level. Again, not disagreeing with your premise. Just cautioning against reacting.


*On a much less violent level, an example of that is the fact that there is no place in this rural county that I can go snorkling because I'm not allowed to go swimming where the is no lifeguard. I didn't ask for a lifeguard.

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. Don't try & avoid it, guns are no god damn good for anybody.

Your gun isn't going to protect you from shit.

[Deep13]

16. That is an emotional reaction, not a fact based on evidence. nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

17. What evidence?

A white paper from the NRA perhaps? Don't tell me you thwarted a home invasion with your fanner '50.

I can't think of a single news story of some heroic citizen gun fight, other than the fictional one in Taxi Driver.

BTW, You'll find that citizen gun fights are usually drug related.

[Deep13]

19. Wow, I said your claim that guns are no damn good and that it is impossible...

...to use them for defense is not based on evidence. I said nothing regarding the contrary position.

If you are right, why do cops carry guns? They don't in England.

[bonito]

22. Valid points and I agree as well

there are nut cases on both side of the issue, good thing is, only half of them are armed.

:hide:

[Atman]

4. Kids should pack guns in their lunch boxes and backpacks.

:eyes:

Florida is whacked (sorry Floridians, I'm a Sunshine State ex-pat. I was raised there, lived there nearly 20 years. The place has gone over the edge in the years since I left).

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[AlCzervik]

8. that would be a huge and i mean HUGH liability issue for the employers.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Jesus! Who would ever have thought that Florida would demonstrate sanity?

[jsamuel]

18. Florida is a highly reactionary state, politically.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Which is why I'm amazed that they would act so sanely.

[gatorboy]

15. The last thing Florida needs is more guns.

[michreject]

20. I never left mine in my truck anyway

I carried it on me. That way I knew where it was. No chance of theft.