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rdobbs2010 Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 11:28 PM
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Harry Reid Wins for Now!
Yes the Democrats have moved forward on a procedural vote today, but what happens when the honeymoon is over and the real vote comes up?

Yes the Democrats have moved forward on a procedural vote today, but what happens when the honeymoon is over and the real vote comes up?

Today Senator Harry Reid can savor the victory of the cloture vote, 60-39, to move the health care debate forward. However, what happens next when Senator Blanche-Lincoln already has stated she won't support a bill with the public option and Senator Landrieu calling the public option a "government-run, taxpayer subsidized, national insurance plan," and Senator Landrieu said it would likely replicate the problems faced by Medicare and Medicaid.

That's kind of funny Senator Landrieu, an estimate from the Congressional Budget Office projects that the House Democrats’ health care plan that includes a public option would cost $871 billion over 10 years. CBO also found that the Democrats’ bill reduces the deficit in the first 10 years. Needless to say that Senators Lincoln and Landrieu don't understand that 30% of health care cost go to adminstrative costs and not to health care itself.

We will see what happens next in health care, but I can already forsee the citizens will get a watered down bill with less coverage and less insurance. What we need is a true single payer system as laid out by the Physicians for a National Health Program.

Physicians for a National Health Proram: http://www.pnhp.org/

Robert Dobbs for Congress, SC-01: http://www.electdobbs.com/
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 11:30 PM
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1. can't we win with just 51 votes now??? n/t
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rdobbs2010 Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 11:33 PM
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2. Good luck on getting them
What the problem is, this was just a vote to move for discussion on the floor. Which means now all of the garbage amendments and infighting begin. This will probably mean a shitty bill and no public option.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 11:34 PM
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3. True - and it will probably drag on into the new year. nt
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 12:29 AM
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4. How about a trigger for PO and movement back toward Stupak
in final bill?

Watered down yes.

This is not my preference but a strong hunch as to where it
is headed.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 03:46 AM
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5. Ask seniors whether they think Medicare has problems.
So far I haven't experienced any problems with Medicare other than that the health care reform bills are incredibly vague about what will happen with Medicare Advantage and senior care in general. We need the public option.

The most important thing is getting insurance coverage and primary care for the uninsured.

I do not understand why Lincoln and Landrieu think that the American government can't manage health care. After all, many, many less well organized, less well governed countries manage their national or government-controlled (through very strict and intrusive regulation for example) health care plans. Italy for one.

The only people I've heard complain about national health care programs, single payer or public option programs are from Eastern Europe.
Do Lincoln and Landrieu think that our country, our government is less competent than the government of Italy?

I won't even begin on the Republicans. They are blindly partisan -- to the point that they would rather see Americans die for lack of for example radiation treatments than vote for health care for all.
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