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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 06:44 PM
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NBC as an element in the production of mass murderers
The Murder-Entertainment Complex

In the first "Scream" flick, the teenagers who are about to be hunted down and killed by the murderer talk about whether the horror movies they love to watch create serial killers. No, one of them answers: Horror movies just make the killers smarter.

The mass media do not create human timebombs. No doubt some people are born with a high predilection for fits of psychotic, murderous rage, a drive to kill beyond the violent urges shared by all humans (at any rate by almost all men). No doubt such tendencies develop or are inhibited through environmental factors: upbringing, trauma, the stations of one's experience.

But the culture-at-large certainly will affect how a timebomb personality is likely to blow. As a violent psychosis arises, its carrier might do nothing until he crashes a car, jumps off a bridge, or lashes out suddenly and fatally within familiar surroundings, at people close to him. He might sign up with the military, or become a mercenary. Sociopaths with good social skills have been known to make careers in politics and organized crime. (Am I being redundant?)

Why is it that in recent decades, in the United States and elsewhere, so many timebomb personalities have instead exploded into mass-murder rampages of the type exemplified by Columbine and now Virginia Tech? The easy availability of guns only explains the choice of weapon and the often-high number of casualties.

I submit that the corporate media have played a willing, lucrative and immoral role in the cultural chain of production that creates mass murderers of this type. I sumbit that they became fully conscious of this role long ago. They have created an industry of mass-murder consumption, glorifying the perpetrators in direct proportion to the number of victims killed and the amount of spectacle generated. (A group of Amish girls in a one-room school is not as impressive as 32 college-age victims in two locations several hours apart, is it? So you don't even remember the name of that murderer, who committed his crime just a few months ago, whereas Cho will be with us for many years.)

In the case of real-life killers, this celebration of their exploits is camouflaged by the exploitation of grief, rituals of moral approbation, and "the public's right to know." But the fictional treatments generally do without need of piety or pomposity: The most prolific and profitable of all Hollywood genres are the ones dealing with serial killers, some of them supernatural, some of them seen mostly as shadows pursued by a heroic cop. Mass murderers are stars. More movies are made about them than about all scientists and do-gooders and athletes combined. Manson and Ted Bundy and Son of Sam are brand-names alongside their fictional, supernatural counterparts, Freddy and Jason and Hannibal Lecter. (Yes, this is just as much a commentary on the market as on the media who serve it.)

On receiving the package from Cho (or "Ismail Ax," his supervillain identity), NBC could have taken one picture, broadcast it at low resolution, and described the other contents of the package factually. That would have fulfilled the requirements of "delivering the news." They could have devoted a few minutes to the package as the second or third story of their program. They could have kept a copy of the material to protect themselves, and left the rest to the cops.

Instead, NBC gave the Cho package full coverage as top-plus story. They showed the text of his "manifesto" so that anyone taping it could read it, released all of the stills and broadcast much of the video. They used Cho's choice of imagery as icons to sell their program. And every single other corporate media outlet followed suit. Today, the front page of every tabloid in New York features the same shot of Cho with two guns, and I'm sure that's true in almost every other US city and town.

The broadcast of the material amounts to a glorification. Yes, they call him "evil," which is exactly what he wanted. The lonely, frustrated psychotic is now a comic-book character, a myth, an immortal. He's joined the killers' pantheon alongside his inspirations, Dylan and Eric, whose celebrity requires no last name. Reality once again meets the standard of satire, for this is exactly like the scene in "Natural Born Killers" when the imprisoned Woody Harrelson discusses with Robert Downey the impact of his media persona, compared to that of other famous mass murderers.

Without a doubt, this encourages future timebombs to choose the same path, as Cho predicts in his own bloody-minded images and words. This is obvious to everyone with minimal sense, and no talk on NBC's part about how they agonized over the decision to broadcast this material can mitigate the reality. (At least the tabloids don't bother with the bogus moral justifications.)

Here's a little mental exercise: Imagine Cho had killed 33 people meeting in a corporate boardroom, or the head of state's cabinet, or a group of generals discussing next year's biowarfare and nuclear weapons acquisitions. Imagine the manifesto justifying his murders actually had a comprehensible political basis. On receiving such a package, what would NBC do? I submit they would never dare to broadcast it, even though it would actually be relevant, it would undeniably constitute "news." Because that would reward and encourage the murder of power-brokers, of owners, of elites. (No one would be wondering whether his act qualified as terrorism.)

Because Cho killed students and teachers at random, it is safe for NBC and the corporate media to publicize the material he provided. His victims are expendable, an acceptable and fully externalized cost in the chain of production for the murder-entertainment complex. NBC and all the corporate media companies who followed its lead are therefore free to maximize their Cho windfall. And for the mass murderers of the future, they are providing the ideas, the model, the how-to, the fashion tips, the incentive, the encouragement: the glory.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 06:48 PM
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1. Really good writing there! I think you hit the nail on the head
at the end and the corporate elites.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 06:58 PM
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3. Thanks.
How this kind of incident fits into the general agenda of rule-by-fear is something for another thread.
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bermudat Donating Member (985 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 06:56 PM
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2. Very well put.
Actually I have more respect for the National Enquirer and Star magazine than I do for the so called 'mainstream media.' That bullsh*t about NBC agonizing over their decision makes me gag. Please, who believes that horsesh*t. I'm disappointed Olbermann was part of the video outrage. Well, when someone is paying you $4 mill/year you do what you are told.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:38 PM
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4. All of them...
You know not a single outlet hesitated for a moment. You can just imagine the frenzy to get permission, get it up on the website, get it on the front page. Nightline gave Cho the full half hour - and I say gave it to Cho, not to the story but to what Cho would have wanted on Nightline.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:38 PM
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5. (dupe)
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 08:42 PM by JackRiddler
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:10 PM
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6. kick
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:47 AM
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7. kick
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:25 AM
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8. kick
Very busy time at DU!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 01:03 PM
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9. kick
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:31 PM
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15. Here ya go, Jack. Let me help you keep this kicked (and recommended).
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:04 PM
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25. thank you - that was starting to hurt my foot.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:14 PM
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10. Excellent read!
Thanks!

:kick: & RECOMMENDED!!!
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:22 PM
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11. They are media whores. All of them.
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Stu DeBeouf Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:49 PM
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12. NBC=
Nothing
But
Cho
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 02:54 PM
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13. I'm afraid the MSM just gives them a goal and a multi-media learning aide. nt
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:14 PM
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14. Thanks for writing this...it needed to be said.
Let's hope that MSNBC's Danny Abrams and NBC's Steve Cappus who thought this would really boost their ratings and make up for their Imus firings have this bite them in their butts. The comments section on MSNBC after they posted the stuff was almost all negative.

Might have been a little "Terra Ramp Up" there to help their boss Bush, too.

It's beyond disgusting and tasteless what they did.

Your points nail it.
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:44 PM
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16. Very Well Done.
k&r
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:47 PM
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17. If we look at him and observe him and hear what he had to say
It could help us intervene to catch the next guy.

Just keeping it off the air could be burying our heads in the sand, in fact. Copycats, if they are going to exist, don't need much more than the fact that it happened.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:09 PM
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26. A low-key, delayed release of the material into the public domain...
would fulfill this function, although I find the thought both dubious and disturbing that people may now appoint themselves citizen-psychiatrist-snoop-cops, apprehending the next Cho based on what they "learned" from this material.

NBC chose to scream it all out as the non-stop sensation of the day: Everyone in the world, stop, look and listen! Cho speaks! And all the other media outlets front-paged it.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 03:57 PM
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18. K&R
Excellent post!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:50 PM
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19. it's NEWS -- sometimes the news ain't pretty -- you still cover it

if NBC covers suicide bombings by showing the mea culpa video, are they creating suicide bombers?
if NBC covers the beheading of Daniel Pearl by showing any imagery, are they creating more terrorists?
if NBC covers soldiers shooting civilians, are they creating war criminals?

it's NEWS. it's REALITY. you can't control it. the proper role of news organizations is to report the news. turn it off if you don't like it.

question -- do we also eliminate first-person shooter video games? do we also eliminate true crime books, websites and documentary? do we censor movies that show murder?

seeing those images convinced the world that Cho was mentally ill. there's a gigantic dialog that needs to happen around this -- we need to examine why the mentally ill can't find help. we need to discuss why insurance doesn't cover mental illness. we need to discuss the prevalence of schizophrenia, especially in early adulthood. we need to CHANGE things so this doesn't happen again.

the Unabomber was stopped only because his manifesto was published which allowed his brother to identify him which led to his arrest.

there's no final, universal answer to what is ethical or unethical in the world. more good will come of discussing this than burying it. things like this happen BECAUSE the truth is not examined...not the other way around.



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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:31 PM
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23. To your questions...
No to the first three. All of those are acts in war. The media may be exploited by combatants to make their points, but I don't blame the media for that and the alternative of not reporting fully on these acts would be far, far worse. The motivation in the case of Cho is a form of self-actualization within a paranoid psychotic worldview. (I presume he really was the lone psychotic that he appears to be.)

Your second set of questions is off-point. Certainly I am against bans, "eliminations" or any form of state censorship, except perhaps on advertising and programming aimed at minors. I didn't say NBC committed a criminal act but an immoral one. Not all things that are wrong are illegal, or should be. We can judge NBC's decision to be wrong, without calling for censorship. I should note however that if I were the party in power, I would revoke all FCC licenses and redistribute them so that no one owns more than one channel, radio station or daily newspaper, and so that media access is available to all.

The Unabomber is a completely different case. His murders actually stopped after publication of his manifesto, which was the point of his certainly morally wrong efforts. Did you read it? I find it interesting that an explicitly and undeniably political work (whatever else you think of it) with a critique of the actual society (again, nothing you have to agree with) isn't published, but clearly inane and individually psychotic rantings are given full coverage. Again, this illustrates the point that random murder is downright celebrated as a ratings grabber, whereas killing for a comprehensible political cause (right or wrong) is subjected to "responsible" media self-censorship.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:51 PM
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20. You have told the truth here. K&R.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:04 PM
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21. i hold them accountable for the mess of our society..the stuff they focus on or the news they choose
to not report...we may need to understand why..but wesure as hell did not need those rambo type images shoved down our throats...ridiculous..i've been irritated since the first image went up...and then over and over and over again...
you are right..the media has contributed to the dissolution and degradation of civilization as we have known it...unless they stop, we are doomed..really
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 09:11 PM
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27. Their excuse: the market.
In effect, this recuses everyone from ever taking any responsibility for their own actions.

Each decision is still owned by somebody or some group. Or else we needn't bother - with anything. It's hard to comprehend how the culture of irresponsibility can extend to so many thousands and millions involved in the industry.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:08 PM
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22. Why wasn't the Cho material handed immediately to law enforcement?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:34 PM
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24. Maybe this would have gone too far.
It did qualify as news. If they had, as I argued in the OP, shown one picture and described the contents they received, that would have fulfilled the news function and been defensible. What's objectionable is the form of the coverage - complete and unfiltered, undeniably celebratory (whatever the moral disclaimers they added).
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 09:43 PM
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28. kick.
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 06:49 PM
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45. NBC says it was...n/t
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:24 PM
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29. Gee, if only the corrupt, complicit media would stop reporting on wars
there'd be no more wars.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 10:53 PM
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30. Misrepresentation of OP & false analogy.
Show me where in the OP it says NBC shouldn't have reported on its receipt of the Cho package. I conclude you didn't read it or skipped key passages, perhaps responding in Pavlovian fashion to a few trigger words. Boo! (At least you seem to think you're winning your imaginary argument.)

Wars don't happen because the media report on them.

If there is an analogy here, arguably, it would be that wars have been enabled by the way the media a) faithfully transport state propaganda (as they did Cho's message, incidentally) and b) glorify the waging of war (as they implicitly celebrated the Cho massacre with wall-to-wall sensationalism and the inevitable feature film to come).
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:02 PM
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31. That's the logical conclusion of this:
I submit that the corporate media have played a willing, lucrative and immoral role in the cultural chain of production that creates mass murderers of this type. I sumbit that they became fully conscious of this role long ago. They have created an industry of mass-murder consumption, glorifying the perpetrators in direct proportion to the number of victims killed and the amount of spectacle generated.


Without a doubt, this encourages future timebombs to choose the same path, as Cho predicts in his own bloody-minded images and words. This is obvious to everyone with minimal sense, and no talk on NBC's part about how they agonized over the decision to broadcast this material can mitigate the reality. (At least the tabloids don't bother with the bogus moral justifications.)



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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:08 PM
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32. Except...
Quote 1: What "role" do I describe in that chain?

Quote 2: What does "this" refer to in "this encourages..."?

On receiving the package from Cho (or "Ismail Ax," his supervillain identity), NBC could have taken one picture, broadcast it at low resolution, and described the other contents of the package factually. That would have fulfilled the requirements of "delivering the news." They could have devoted a few minutes to the package as the second or third story of their program. They could have kept a copy of the material to protect themselves, and left the rest to the cops.

Instead, NBC gave the Cho package full coverage as top-plus story. They showed the text of his "manifesto" so that anyone taping it could read it, released all of the stills and broadcast much of the video. They used Cho's choice of imagery as icons to sell their program. And every single other corporate media outlet followed suit. Today, the front page of every tabloid in New York features the same shot of Cho with two guns, and I'm sure that's true in almost every other US city and town.
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:13 PM
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33. Are you next going to ask my definition of 'is'?
Sorry, I don't play word games. Your OP states the media are responsible for creating mass-murderers. I disagree.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:42 PM
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35. The use of pronouns is essential to reading comprehension.
But of course you're not interested in reading me fairly, so be well.

(I must believe the media create mass murderers, since I wrote: "The mass media do not create human timebombs.")
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:51 PM
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38. And then proceeded to contradict yourself
Have an interesting life. I'm sure you'll find someone to blame for its mishaps.

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:26 PM
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34. I recently attended a lecture on mental illness by a respected professor/researcher.
He shares your opinion on this.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:43 PM
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36. Who was it? Please do tell - thanks.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 12:34 AM
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39. I'll shoot ya a PM.
:hi:
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 06:47 PM
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44. thank you!
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 11:47 PM
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37. You're late. Freddy Krueger has been doing it for decades.
And Jason Voorhees. And whoever the guy is who cuts up people in the "Saw" movies. They aren't the villains in those films. They're the heroes. The victims - like the ones in real life - are ordinary people whose only purpose is to die before the brilliance and energy of their killers.

Go to your newsstand and pick up an issue of "GoreZone" magazine. It's a celebration of mass murder.

And every time one of these real-life murders occur, the creators of this violence porn go on vacation and are inaccessable for interviews. So are the guys who produce brainless shoot 'em up video games where your only possible action is to kill. Or is someone going to say that Doom, Halo and Grand Theft Auto are positive, life-affirming experiences - with a straight face?

It's impossible to censor these things. It's also impossible to keep them out of the hands of children or the mentally ill. These products weren't primary causes for the real-world murderers to go out and kill. But boy, did they prepare a fertile ground for them.

All right, gorehounds. Go ahead and flame me.


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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 06:35 AM
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40. What is going on with his face?
KOSINSKI: They described the scene of watching this and these pictures, hearing this person‘s voice, it‘s like twisting the knife or rubbing salt in a wound, like another blow to this campus that, of course, has already been suffering so much.

They never really thought that they would feel this much grief at one time. And for these young people at this age to see this video and have this compounding their grief. For many it was too much to bear. There were a lot of tears on campus after this aired.

Maybe most fascinatingly, Joe, when we were in our truck watching this video, we were with the roommate of Cho. He was talking about how it was - - it almost didn‘t look like him, because he said he never looked at them in the eye. He was always looking down or to the side. And they almost didn‘t recognize him. Because they said they had never really seen him head on and, in some cases, hadn‘t heard his voice for an entire year—

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18200218/



Kim, the uncle, said the family never visited their homeland and that he did not recognise his nephew when his picture appeared on television as the culprit in the deadliest shooting rampage in US history.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/cho-was-autistic-family/2007/04/21/1176697133222.html


Reports say that Cho's face was badly damaged when he shot himself, but that he had been positively identified by fingerprints and immigration records.
http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:0n8GC3wetxEJ:thetorontotimes.com/content/view/965/69/+cho+face&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 09:21 AM
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42. I see where you're headed, of course...
I doubt it because the motives for the whoever make no sense to me. Is it for sport?

Anyway, that's not where NBC is. Why aren't they seeking to publish a certain 327-page dossier, instead of instantly putting Cho out there?

Still, interesting conundrum.
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 09:27 AM
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43. Isn't the Gonzales case dropped also?
Edited on Sat Apr-21-07 09:49 AM by CGowen
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2007/04/april_22_virginia_tech_gonzale_1.html

Gonzales gets not much coverage on Sunday, I guess. The media wants to talk about other issues.




The problem with this shooting is that the school was under federal control


When I give you the link to that website the thread goes into a certain forum, so I leave it there


Police and EMT workers at Virginia Tech tell us that campus police were given a federal order to stand down and not pursue killer Cho Seung-Hui as Monday's bloodshed unfolded.

Though wishing to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, we have received calls from police and EMT's who tell us that a stand down order was in place, and this is also confirmed by eyewitness Matt Kazee, who is a Blacksburg local.

Kazee talked to local EMT's and police who told him the same thing, that the order was to wait until federal back up arrived before any action was taken. This explains the complete non-response of the police in the two hour gap between Cho's first two murders and the wider rampage that would follow later that morning.

The policy of federal control over the University was put in place following a previous shooting in August 2006 in which a police officer and a hospital security guard were killed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morva
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 08:14 AM
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41. Internet only release would have sufficed.
And not on the MSNBC news front page! Just a link to "further details" of the story. In that way people have a choice to go there or not and nobody has these threatening, repulsive images implanted on their brain involuntarily.

Yes, indeed, the mainstream media are still despicable.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-21-07 06:50 PM
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46. Great rundown, Jack. Absolutely first-rate.
And I obviously agree with every word.

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