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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:58 PM
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What does it mean when a major player (dubai world) says it has debt issues yet all the markets rise
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 08:11 PM by ShamelessHussy
not to mention...

1. 2 wars in the ME (with the threat of more on the way)
2. Shocking climate change models prove to be too conservative
3. U.S. modeled global economic system under severe strain for over a year
4. Oil way above $50 a barrel, with the only trend-line being north for most of this decade
5. the ubiquitous rise of NONSENSE media (gov, news and entertainment)
6. American liberties abandoned, accept for lip service
7. 1 in 4 children in the U.S. on food stamps :'(
8. Obama says though afghanistan elections were marred by fraud, it is consistent with our values :shakes-head: (i guess he just answered my question)

feel free to add to the list, but I just wonder what DU's take is on all this... to me almost everything coming from official channels these days seems to be a scam, how can we change this?

or, perhaps, it's all in my head... shrug:

if so, then please talk me down.

thank you DU :hi:
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:00 PM
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1. Suckers are buying
This is a game of nerves, and last one to buy gets left holding the (empty) bag.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:44 PM
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4. do you see it going below it's low of this year?
and do you think we are in for a 'W' chart (how terribly sad, yet fitting considering who led us to this point) recession or a 'V'?
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:54 PM
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5. Actually, it's an 'L'
Some forecasters were predicting an L type recovery, a sharp dip to the minimum (last March) and a slow, years long slog back up to the highs of 2007. If there is sufficient new investment (like green technologies), that could be likely. Otherwise, if Repubs succeed in starving the beast, we are in for another leg down.
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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:08 PM
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6. we went down to 6k, and are now back up to 10k, which is currently a 'V'
if there is another big dip in the next year, that will mean a 'W', or worse.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:02 PM
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2. Hm.

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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 08:21 PM
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3. hmmm...

i've always had a problem with averting my eyes, though ;)


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ShamelessHussy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:55 PM
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7. Charting The Great World Trade Collapse (IMAGES)
From the VoxEU report:


On the steepness of the current collapse:


On the synchronicity of the collapse


more...
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/charting-great-world-trade-collapse
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:56 PM
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8. The market and reality are no longer sleeping together n/t
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