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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:45 AM
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May I just say that I'm ecstatic that no one on this board is President of the United States
Decisions are so much easier to make by pounding a keyboard, aren't they?
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:46 AM
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1. Yes. n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:47 AM
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2. I think I'd be quite good
:D
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:47 AM
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3. This argument sounded really dumb when ditto heads were using it about Bush's decisions
what makes you think it sounds any smarter now?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:47 AM
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5. +1
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:33 AM
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38. +2
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:50 AM
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:51 AM
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15. I don't remember a single "dittohead" using this line..
Obviously since chimpy is a complete fucking idiot and even your average freeper is at his level...



Any other wise thoughts?
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:53 AM
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18. You must have not talked to many freepers. Any time you cornered them that was the argument
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 10:53 AM by no limit
"its easy making decisions behind a keyboard but you dont know whats its like to be president".

Now if you would like to explain why this is a good decision using actual facts I'm all ears.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:16 AM
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28. even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Just because a freeper says it doesn't make it a lie automatically. It is very true that then you are the CIC you are charged with a great responsibility--even more, I dare say, than when you are a member of Congress.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:17 AM
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29. that's a bunch of crap. and if it was Bush not Obama you would agree with me
it's a stupid argument not based on any facts. Yes, being president is hard. But if a president can't explain why something is a good idea then guess what, its probably not a good idea (even if he has a (D) after the name).
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:23 PM
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49. All the explaining in the world does no good when talking to someone
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 12:25 PM by RaleighNCDUer
who refuses to listen.

Suffice it to say, he set the beginning of the withdrawal before the next election, and knows that if it isn't happening when he said he will NOT get re-elected.

Did Bush ever do that?

EDIT: In simple terms, he set himself up for a referendum on the Afghan withdrawal.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:56 PM
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50. I'm willing to listen, in fact Im all ears. But the fact is a explaination hasn't been offered
and wont be offered because one doesn't exist. So again, if a president can't explain why something is a good idea it probably isn't a good idea.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:04 PM
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51. Sit down and READ the speech. The explanation is right there.
You just refuse to hear it.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:46 PM
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53. I heard the speech. And success was never defined.
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 01:47 PM by no limit
Nor did he explain what 30,000 more troops will actually acheive. If I'm wrong feel free to point me to it.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 02:40 PM
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54. OK - directly from the speech.
...I then announced a strategy recognizing the fundamental connection between our war effort in Afghanistan, and the extremist safe-havens in Pakistan. I set a goal that was narrowly defined as disrupting, dismantling, and defeating al Qaeda and its extremist allies, and pledged to better coordinate our military and civilian effort.

Since then, we have made progress on some important objectives. High-ranking al Qaeda and Taliban leaders have been killed, and we have stepped up the pressure on al Qaeda world-wide. In Pakistan, that nation's Army has gone on its largest offensive in years. In Afghanistan, we and our allies prevented the Taliban from stopping a presidential election, and - although it was marred by fraud - that election produced a government that is consistent with Afghanistan's laws and Constitution.

Yet huge challenges remain. Afghanistan is not lost, but for several years it has moved backwards. There is no imminent threat of the government being overthrown, but the Taliban has gained momentum. Al Qaeda has not reemerged in Afghanistan in the same numbers as before 9/11, but they retain their safe-havens along the border. And our forces lack the full support they need to effectively train and partner with Afghan Security Forces and better secure the population. Our new Commander in Afghanistan - General McChrystal - has reported that the security situation is more serious than he anticipated. In short: the status quo is not sustainable.

("our forces lack the full support they need to effectively train and partner with Afghan Security Forces and better secure the population." THE SPECIFIED GOAL - to effectively train and partner with Afghan Security Forces and better secure the population. Accomplishing that = success.)

(snip)

... I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan. After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home. These are the resources that we need to seize the initiative, while building the Afghan capacity that can allow for a responsible transition of our forces out of Afghanistan.

("these (30,000 troops) are the resources that we need to seize the initiative, while building the Afghan capacity that can allow for a responsible transition of our forces out of Afghanistan." That very clearly states what the additional troops will do - they will provide a 'security bubble' within which Afghan troops can be trained to replace them - withing 18 months. As things are now we can't properly train the Afghan troops because all our resources are going to actually fighting the Taliban - it's the proverbial drain-the-swamp/alligator conundrum. These troops make training the Afghan army and police possible - without them it is impossible.)

(snip)

So no - I do not make this decision lightly. I make this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of the violent extremism practiced by al Qaeda. It is from here that we were attacked on 9/11, and it is from here that new attacks are being plotted as I speak. This is no idle danger; no hypothetical threat. In the last few months alone, we have apprehended extremists within our borders who were sent here from the border region of Afghanistan and Pakistan to commit new acts of terror. This danger will only grow if the region slides backwards, and al Qaeda can operate with impunity. We must keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and to do that, we must increase the stability and capacity of our partners in the region.

(This paragraph detail the necessity for it, and by defining the necessity the parameters of success are defined - preventing the backward slide of conditions in Afghanistan, and increasing the stability and capacity of our partners in the region, meaning not only Afghanistan but also Pakistan which is also fighting the Taliban, and detailed in the following paragraph.)

Of course, this burden is not ours alone to bear. This is not just America's war. Since 9/11, al Qaeda's safe-havens have been the source of attacks against London and Amman and Bali. The people and governments of both Afghanistan and Pakistan are endangered. And the stakes are even higher within a nuclear-armed Pakistan, because we know that al Qaeda and other extremists seek nuclear weapons, and we have every reason to believe that they would use them.

(While I think it is unlikely that AQ can get their hands on nukes, it is very possible that AQ and the Taliban can destabilize Pakistan enough to provoke a war between Pakistan and India over Kashmir. That's what the AQ/Kashmiri terrorists were wanting to do with the attack on Mumbai last year. The Taliban has no need of controlling nukes if they can just get those who own them to use them.)

(After alluding to these facts above, he proceeds to spell them out below.)

These facts compel us to act along with our friends and allies. Our overarching goal remains the same: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and to prevent its capacity to threaten America and our allies in the future.

To meet that goal, we will pursue the following objectives within Afghanistan. We must deny al Qaeda a safe-haven. We must reverse the Taliban's momentum and deny it the ability to overthrow the government. And we must strengthen the capacity of Afghanistan's Security Forces and government, so that they can take lead responsibility for Afghanistan's future.

We will meet these objectives in three ways. First, we will pursue a military strategy that will break the Taliban's momentum and increase Afghanistan's capacity over the next 18 months.

The 30,000 additional troops that I am announcing tonight will deploy in the first part of 2010 - the fastest pace possible - so that they can target the insurgency and secure key population centers. They will increase our ability to train competent Afghan Security Forces, and to partner with them so that more Afghans can get into the fight. And they will help create the conditions for the United States to transfer responsibility to the Afghans.

Because this is an international effort, I have asked that our commitment be joined by contributions from our allies. Some have already provided additional troops, and we are confident that there will be further contributions in the days and weeks ahead. Our friends have fought and bled and died alongside us in Afghanistan. Now, we must come together to end this war successfully. For what's at stake is not simply a test of NATO's credibility - what's at stake is the security of our Allies, and the common security of the world.

Taken together, these additional American and international troops will allow us to accelerate handing over responsibility to Afghan forces, and allow us to begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011. Just as we have done in Iraq, we will execute this transition responsibly, taking into account conditions on the ground. We will continue to advise and assist Afghanistan's Security Forces to ensure that they can succeed over the long haul. But it will be clear to the Afghan government - and, more importantly, to the Afghan people - that they will ultimately be responsible for their own country.

Second, we will work with our partners, the UN, and the Afghan people to pursue a more effective civilian strategy, so that the government can take advantage of improved security.

This effort must be based on performance. The days of providing a blank check are over. President Karzai's inauguration speech sent the right message about moving in a new direction. And going forward, we will be clear about what we expect from those who receive our assistance. We will support Afghan Ministries, Governors, and local leaders that combat corruption and deliver for the people. We expect those who are ineffective or corrupt to be held accountable. And we will also focus our assistance in areas - such as agriculture - that can make an immediate impact in the lives of the Afghan people.

The people of Afghanistan have endured violence for decades. They have been confronted with occupation - by the Soviet Union, and then by foreign al Qaeda fighters who used Afghan land for their own purposes. So tonight, I want the Afghan people to understand - America seeks an end to this era of war and suffering. We have no interest in occupying your country. We will support efforts by the Afghan government to open the door to those Taliban who abandon violence and respect the human rights of their fellow citizens. And we will seek a partnership with Afghanistan grounded in mutual respect - to isolate those who destroy; to strengthen those who build; to hasten the day when our troops will leave; and to forge a lasting friendship in which America is your partner, and never your patron.

Third, we will act with the full recognition that our success in Afghanistan is inextricably linked to our partnership with Pakistan.

We are in Afghanistan to prevent a cancer from once again spreading through that country. But this same cancer has also taken root in the border region of Pakistan. That is why we need a strategy that works on both sides of the border.

In the past, there have been those in Pakistan who have argued that the struggle against extremism is not their fight, and that Pakistan is better off doing little or seeking accommodation with those who use violence. But in recent years, as innocents have been killed from Karachi to Islamabad, it has become clear that it is the Pakistani people who are the most endangered by extremism. Public opinion has turned. The Pakistani Army has waged an offensive in Swat and South Waziristan. And there is no doubt that the United States and Pakistan share a common enemy.

In the past, we too often defined our relationship with Pakistan narrowly. Those days are over. Moving forward, we are committed to a partnership with Pakistan that is built on a foundation of mutual interests, mutual respect, and mutual trust. We will strengthen Pakistan's capacity to target those groups that threaten our countries, and have made it clear that we cannot tolerate a safe-haven for terrorists whose location is known, and whose intentions are clear. America is also providing substantial resources to support Pakistan's democracy and development. We are the largest international supporter for those Pakistanis displaced by the fighting. And going forward, the Pakistani people must know: America will remain a strong supporter of Pakistan's security and prosperity long after the guns have fallen silent, so that the great potential of its people can be unleashed.

These are the three core elements of our strategy: a military effort to create the conditions for a transition; a civilian surge that reinforces positive action; and an effective partnership with Pakistan.

(And if that's not clear enough, he addresses most the objections that I've been reading on this board today...)

I recognize that there are a range of concerns about our approach. So let me briefly address a few of the prominent arguments that I have heard, and which I take very seriously.

First, there are those who suggest that Afghanistan is another Vietnam. They argue that it cannot be stabilized, and we are better off cutting our losses and rapidly withdrawing. Yet this argument depends upon a false reading of history. Unlike Vietnam, we are joined by a broad coalition of 43 nations that recognizes the legitimacy of our action. Unlike Vietnam, we are not facing a broad-based popular insurgency. And most importantly, unlike Vietnam, the American people were viciously attacked from Afghanistan, and remain a target for those same extremists who are plotting along its border. To abandon this area now - and to rely only on efforts against al Qaeda from a distance - would significantly hamper our ability to keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and create an unacceptable risk of additional attacks on our homeland and our allies.

Second, there are those who acknowledge that we cannot leave Afghanistan in its current state, but suggest that we go forward with the troops that we have. But this would simply maintain a status quo in which we muddle through, and permit a slow deterioration of conditions there. It would ultimately prove more costly and prolong our stay in Afghanistan, because we would never be able to generate the conditions needed to train Afghan Security Forces and give them the space to take over.

Finally, there are those who oppose identifying a timeframe for our transition to Afghan responsibility. Indeed, some call for a more dramatic and open-ended escalation of our war effort - one that would commit us to a nation building project of up to a decade. I reject this course because it sets goals that are beyond what we can achieve at a reasonable cost, and what we need to achieve to secure our interests. Furthermore, the absence of a timeframe for transition would deny us any sense of urgency in working with the Afghan government. It must be clear that Afghans will have to take responsibility for their security, and that America has no interest in fighting an endless war in Afghanistan.

(That last paragraph is an ultimatum to Afghanistan. Get it together NOW, because we are LEAVING. No ifs, ands or buts.)

My voice, again. So, success WAS defined, in the stabilizing of the region, the turning over of security to the Afghans by the exit date, and then LEAVING.

And the 30,000 troops provide the short-term security bubble needed to make it happen.

Any questions?
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:02 PM
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55. he couldn't put it all into one speech.
Susan Rice answered a lot of questions on Rachael tonight. There have been a lot of others who have fanned out to different media outlets explaining and elaborating. They have reasons.

Yes on the surface and from a distance, it looks like Bush all over again. But it isn't.

But whatever. We have no choice but to wait and see what comes of this. I don't have that queasy feeling I had in 2003, so that's a good thing.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:05 AM
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25. +1000
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:47 AM
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4. Understatement of the day!
:)
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:48 AM
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6. Yes, people who really, really, really, really want power are so much more to be trusted..
With that power..

:eyes:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:50 AM
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14. Poor ol super wealthy, powerful people! GAWD, ain't it AWFUL how they get picked on?!
;) quackies
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:35 AM
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40. Heh
:evilgrin:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:48 AM
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7. Fighting wars is also much easier from the comfort of one's desk.
No need for all that suffering and dying shit when one is a Chairborne Ranger.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:50 AM
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12. In the oval office. With all those nice generals patting you on the back.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:50 AM
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41. That, too. n/t
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:49 AM
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8. Making speeches, pounding on a keyboard...
I'm confident that people don't make decisions by pounding on a keyboard or by making speeches. That's how people express the decisions they have made.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:49 AM
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9. I consult a Ouija Board before posting. nt
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:52 AM
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17. I prefer one of these:
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:49 AM
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10. Recycled Bushbot arguments?
Heh.
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Tigermoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:49 AM
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11. Me too!
It's amazing how much better they understand the world than those actually with responsibilities and obligations in positions of power.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:02 PM
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44. Responsibilities
obligations, FACTS, INTEL and a freaking clue.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:51 AM
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16. Afghanistan is a tough call, and I don't have a strong opinion either way. nt
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:54 AM
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19. Could be worse. They could be poets and mimes.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:54 AM
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20. no doubt
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:55 AM
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21. Yes! We should never question the president!!!!
C'mon, he's the PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 10:59 AM
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22. Amen! n/t
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:04 AM
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23. SInce most here don't use their real name, it is possible that someone
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 11:04 AM by Obamanaut
on this board could be POTUS. One never knows.

edited to add I'm not, but it could be.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:04 AM
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24. Amen. K/R
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:05 AM
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26. Hear, hear!
:thumbsup:
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:06 AM
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27. +1. n/t
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:20 AM
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30. it's hard work
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:21 AM
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31. first laugh of the day...thanks..nt
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optimator Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:27 AM
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32. why?
How do you reach the assumption of the decision making process of others?
It is easy to attack, but lets hear why you make these assumptions.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:29 AM
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33. Pop quiz: who said, "We must form grass-root structures that would hold me and other elected officia
officials more accountable for their actions." ??? Anyone?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:30 AM
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34. Hey, thank GAWD it passed, btw! nt
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:31 AM
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35. I'm just proud that it's Obama with his fingers on the Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V buttons
Would you rather have it be John McCain that's copying and pasting Bush's policies and rhetoric?

Heck, Obama's probably doing it on a Macintosh, so it's Cmd-C and Cmd-V. They don't call him the Commander-in-Chief for nothing!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:51 AM
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42. +1
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:31 AM
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36. Did you read the Mark Morford column yet?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:10 PM
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59. Thanks for the link!
Edited on Wed Dec-02-09 11:10 PM by QC
If not for you, I might never have had the chance to unrec that drivel.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:32 AM
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37. Right back at you...
...glad you're not Prez either.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:34 AM
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39. Yep
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:51 AM
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43. !
:toast:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:09 PM
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45. Are you sure?
There is a significant amount of lock-step on this board.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:10 PM
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46. . . . yet
And when the gratuitous administration is ruling the United States, things will be licked into shape in no time flat. Just you wait and see.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:19 PM
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47. When in doubt, refer to the ditto head play book...
yawn.

I forgot the part that once one of our guys won, we are to shut up and become robots.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 12:20 PM
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48. Dammed informed citizenry. STFU!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 01:05 PM
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52. A truer post there never was
Many people on this board would be assassinated within minutes of taking office.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:05 PM
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56. a deeply undemocratic statement nt
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:06 PM
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57. And I'm equally glad..
..that I'm informed enough to not end up as an oligarch apologist, like you.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:09 PM
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58. When I'm president y'all will be the first up against the wall.
Teach you to jerks to stand in the way of my mandatory pot smoking laws and all-dogs-but-pitbulls ban.
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R. P. McMurphy Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:11 PM
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60. Effin-A to that! n/t
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:18 PM
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61. All the world's problems are solved several times a day right here on this website.





My ass.




Good post. :thumbsup:



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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:21 PM
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62. I say Nance for President.
Or Saltpoint.
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shadesofgray Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-02-09 11:25 PM
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63. This is a message board. The purpose of message boards is to express opinions.
If you don't understand that, you're the one with the problem.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 02:11 AM
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64. Thank you
Welcome :hi:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 02:14 AM
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65. Oh, Richardo...give me 8 years.
When I'm prez, this place will rawk! And my inside jokes at SOTU adresses...narwhals, kittens, pitbulls at the Olive Garden. Oh yeah. Fun will be had.

But then, since you'll have a spot in my cabinet, you might be too busy to enjoy the shenanigans.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 02:17 AM
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66. Amen.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 02:31 AM
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67. Heeeeeeeyyyy, I would make a good Prez
:D

:sarcasm:
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