Gen trumad: Bin Laden is dead---D----E----A---D---Dead!

[trumad]

How long will our stinking Government continue with this Boogieman bullshit.

Notice that every stinking time we surge our troops they pull out the Binny card.

The dude---when alive---equaled Paris Hilton for getting his mug on our TV's---but that was so---5 years ago.

What---he quit the tour because the caves lack electricity?

Oh sure...they come out at least once a year with some so-called recording of Bin...or some grainy video with weird shadows, his beard dyed with shoe polish, and his nose two sizes bigger than before---AKA---real bad doubles--- it's as if our Gov went out and hired a washed up Porn Director to film the charade.

So---when Mr. General McChrystal hits the airwaves and spouts we can't finish off al-Qaeda unless we kill Bin Laden---

I call Bullshit.

[chill_wind]

1. K & R.

[Mugweed]

2. Not just that...

In the very first Bin Laden tape released after the attacks, he denied having anything to do with the 9/11/01 events. The next tape that came out, only 2 weeks later, a Bin Laden with a different skin color, weight, and facial bone structure is suddenly on a tape saying that he did it, is proud of it, and hates America. Sorry, I just don't buy the whole Bin Laden story at all.

[trumad]

3. Like I said---the dude was a publicity whore and then poof...

no more except for badly produced stand-in's.

[SpiralHawk]

5. Has the American public EVER been presented with any definitive evidence

that bin Laden was behind 9/11?

Could be that it did come out during Commander AWOL & Five-Deferments Cheney Republicon Mis-Reign, and I missed it.

If substantive evidence exists, I would like to see it...

[KG]

6. it beggers belief that 9-11 (official version) was planned and controlled from a cave

in the boondocks of afghanistan.

[AzNick]

152. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the self-confessed mastermind of the attacks

And evidence tends to show it.

[newspeak]

22. ahhh, you remember that too?

I wonder how many recall when OBL first made his appearance after 9/11 and denied having anything to do with it. And, you're absolutely correct, the second airing of OBL had some fatter faced, grainy film--expounding how he was the mastermind. Not too many people recall what was on their television at the time.

[druidity33]

31. in the second video

i remember the standin wearing a flashy gold ring... i think he may have even laughed and smiled.

i remember comparison of the 2 videos on some website or other...

:shrug:

[Andronex]

113. In the second video...

you see him writing with his right hand, Bin dead for a long time was a lefty.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

121. November 9th, 2001

No, not this one.



This one: Osama bin Laden - November 9th, 2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0FVeqCX6z8

[rapturedbyrobots]

131. neither did the feds

bin laden was never officially wanted by the f.b.i. for 9/11. they admitted that they didn't have hard evidence connecting him to the attacks.

[Fly by night]

4. If, as you say, "we can't finish off al-Qaeda unless we kill Bin Laden"...

Then we have two choices:

1) We can bring our troops home now because I agree that he has been dead since 2003 (according to news widely circulated in the Middle East at that time.)

2) We need to divert some of our obscene defense budget to find a way to resurrect the dead -- so we can kill Bin Laden again ... and bring our troops home.

[countmyvote4real]

86. Brilliant. I can't argue with either point. n/t

[KansDem]

150. "to find a way to resurrect the dead -- so we can kill Bin Laden again"

...and again, and again, and again! Kind of like "South Park:" Oh, my God, they killed Osama!

Whenever some corporatist, or member of the oligarchy, feels they need more wealth, they can just go to our Corpgress and demand that we have another war. We can invade under the pretense of "getting Osama," then spend billions by opening up the US treasury to war profiteers and related industries, then we can end the war by "killing Osama." This can be repeated as often as the corpocracy wants!

I think you're on to something here...

[madokie]

7. To stop al-Qaeda

first the conditions that created it to begin with needs to be dealt with. You damn sure can't kill this off with guns and thats what they need to figure out. imo

[Uncle Joe]

61. The way I understand it, Al Qaeda and Bin Laden became hostile to the U.S. because

we had a base in Saudi Arabia (Their hold land) from Bush the lesser days after the Persian Gulf War.

I'm not sure whether we have that base anymore and if we do, why do we need it?

[malaise]

8. The bigger question for me is why no one will

discuss Benazir Bhutto's comment in that Frost interview that Bin Laden was long dead. In fact she was dead shortly after she said it.

[stray cat]

11. Pakistan would love to prove Osama is dead - they would deny he was ever in Pakistan

It would stop incursions into Pakistan. And since when did W ever not take credit for anything?

[closeupready]

15. The fact that strategic interests converge with reality is suspicious to you?

n/t

[closeupready]

14. Word.

n/t

[bdamomma]

28. Yes, Malaise, Benazir Bhutto came right said it, and even

David Frost did not question her, she said it flat out that Osama was dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

[malaise]

66. Silence speaks volumes

for me.
Maybe we should send the clip to both KO and Rachel and ask them why no one has mentioned this interview.

[bdamomma]

142. hey malaise!!

I took your suggestion and sent an e mail and the video clip to Rachel, maybe she will investigate it.

[midnight]

93. I forgot about that....

[rtassi]

115. That hit me like a brick when I heard the interview ... not hardly a mention in the USA

I could never help but wonder if Condi's prodding of her to run again had a greater purpose.

[Scarsdale Vibe]

155. She was referring to Daniel Pearl and misspoke.

But I suppose the interpretation that Benazir Bhutto would throw in an aside that Ahmed Sheikh killed Osama bin Laden during a discussion of murdered Westerners by Pakistani terrorists is also valid. If you're insane.

I've got a non-existent pipeline in Afghanistan conspiracy that you might be interested in as well.

[RedCloud]

9. So our own military and Bush would lie to us?

I was a doubter when I saw those steel towers fall and told folks history will remember 2 buildings fell but actually four did. Not so conveniently explained away.

[stray cat]

10. Opinion versus facts - I'll wait for you to show some real facts

[trumad]

12. And I'll be waiting for you.

[tekisui]

43. It is opinion versus opinion. I'll wait for you to show some facts.

[jobycom]

133. Why would he have to show facts when he is not making an assertion?

The OP says "He's dead." The later poster isn't saying "He's alive," he's just saying "How do you know he's dead?" There's no burden of proof on a question.

[live love laugh]

13. I deduced this at least 5 years ago. nt

[Robb]

16. Myself, I've never actually seen a suicide bombing.

It is possible they are all made up. :shrug:

OBL could be dead. He may be hiding. He may never have existed. I have equal amounts of compelling evidence for all three possibilities.

Yes. All three. :D

[glitch]

17. Careful trumad, the last person to publicly claim he was dead was assassinated shortly thereafter.nt

[yurbud]

47. but she was the leader of a country. You can say whatever you want as long as few are listening

and no one takes you seriously.

[xiamiam]

18. been dead for a long time..its so darned insulting ..nt

[NJmaverick]

19. This is embarrassing for DU, 31 recs based on the word of a fictional General Trumad

worse it was more than apparent if one bothered to note the general's and the poster's name

[bigtree]

21. I'm not embarrassed by trumad's opinion expressed here.

funny as shit that you are.

let me rec this thing just to see you turn a shade redder

[Lone_Star_Dem]

Nah, the posters understood it was trumad, read the replies.

The recs are probably because there are a great many people here who do believe he's dead and decomposed by now.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

34. Trumad isn't the one I find to be embarrassing to DU.

eom

[chimpymustgo]

140. +1.

[arcadian]

49. Show some respect.

:mad: :patriot:

[Greyhound]

50. Not nearly as embarrassing as the faithful deniers of what's being done to them every day. n/t

[countmyvote4real]

90. Really?

Bless your heart.

This will pass.

Oh look, a bird!

[bjobotts]

97. Just google OBL dead and do your own search lazy before spouting opinions

[bjobotts]

98. There have been several posts here on DU stating OBL dead-read 'em and comments

[bjobotts]

99. The commenters on those previious articles added more insights like

reports of his burial service from those that attended. Notice in the local paper. Get tired of repeating this stuff. Look it up yourself

[bjobotts]

100. Get tired of repeating this stuff like having to say the earth is round hundreds of times

[bjobotts]

101. There are reports of his burial service from those who attended.Notice in paper

[bjobotts]

102. a 7ft Muslim on dialysis...don't be stupid. He's been dead for years.

[Webster Green]

128. You can't be serious.

"Fictional General Trumad" :rofl:

I think something kinda went over your head here.

[tkmorris]

130. A LOT goes over that poster's head

Although I am amused he thought the "General Trumad" thing was some sort of Machiavellian deception.

[JonLP24]

151. Too late to give a recommend

:kick:

[bigtree]

20. my thinking

. . . there's little chance the megalomaniac would keep his face hidden all these years. He'd show up dressed all immaculate-looking in white robes and headscarves.

[newspeak]

26. After 9/11, there were some other writings from OBL

I remember reading some of them, and the foremost thing in my mind is OBL is a capitalist, like some of our pro-business fundies. I don't believe he is/was a "Jesus" type character, but more of a moslem televangelist. Anyway, that's how I perceive him. And, I wonder how much money the House of Saud and the Bin Laden family have made since our ME ventures?

[Webster Green]

129. Yes, he would..

In endless taunting videos with recent newspaper headlines or something to show that we have failed to get him.

[WeDidIt]

23. Prove it.

You can't.

[druidity33]

35. Prove he's alive.

You can't.

[WeDidIt]

37. He was alive as of his last tape. n/t

[tekisui]

45. !

:rofl:

The scratchy audio tape, the blurry still image tape or the OBL stunt double tape?

[ThomThom]

55. Has OBL made any appearances or tapes since Jan?

If we never hear from him again does that prove he is dead? Didn't some foreign publication say he was dead and mention that a funeral was held? Those fake videos that Bush used to scare the public also go to the point that Bush wanted someone to scare us with. If we don't see any more of those than it would be fair to assume Bush and company made them. More treason if you ask me.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

85. Exactly what Iwas thinking...

[WeDidIt]

69. You got nothing

I have tapes.

That's a lot more than you have to back up your assertions of him being dead.

[tekisui]

71. There are many reports of his death, Bhutto even said it.

And, your tapes are really really weak. Really weak.

[WeDidIt]

79. There are ZERO credible reports of his death

The tapes exist.

Your argument is really really weak. Really weak.

[xiamiam]

87. which tapes..the ones after 2004?...hahahahahahahah

[WeDidIt]

137. There ya go

The far left is every bit as nutty as the far right. They hav Birthers and Baggers, we have Truthers and other forms of denial.

[eridani]

134. Ever heard of voice morphing?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=358&topic_id=3185

A tape these days is no proof that someone is alive.

[ima_sinnic]

147. wow, so somebody really does take those tapes seriously

:rofl: :rofl:

[trumad]

58. Prove he's alive...

You can't.

So go on---believe your Government.

[WeDidIt]

70. He was alive when he recorded the last tapes

Case closed.

[tekisui]

82. Which tapes?

You still haven't said which 'last tapes' you consider credible. Which ones and when?

[bjobotts]

103. Those last tapes were proven to be forgeries.Not "cased closed".Mind closed

[FourScore]

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:rofl:

[WeDidIt]

138. In other words

You've got nothing and the tapes prove he was alive not long ago.

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NJmaverick]

27. Better watch it Mad, General Trumad is a powerful man and not one

to mess with

[madinmaryland]

41. General Trumad and his loyal sidekick Captain Cuptonboy4!

:D

[bjobotts]

105. McCrystal was the one who prepared the Tillman report-lied to everyone

[bjobotts]

106. Just to make gung ho posters for propaganda, but Tillman's mom proved he lied

[bjobotts]

107. Now he's using OBL to get support for invasion...how can anyone believe "him"

[bjobotts]

108. He also was in charge of the worst torture camp in Iraq and proud of it.

[bjobotts]

109. He loves being a ruthless lying bastard in charge...and good at it.

[bdamomma]

139. he's one of Cheney's friends, that explains it.

[laughingliberal]

29. Time.com ran an article on this subject in June 2002

There is disagreement within the intelligence communities and the international community about whether or not OBL is still alive. As an RN I question his ability to survive harsh conditions if the reports of his renal disease are accurate. Point is most people don't know. I fail to see why a discussion of the subject is ALERT-able.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101020701-265412,00.html

edited to add link

[madinmaryland]

56. I just felt that this was a speculation post better off in the 9/11 tinfoilhat forum.

:tinfoilhat:

As to whether he is alive or not, I have no idea. OTOH, he does have hundreds of millions of dollars at his disposal, so I would not doubt whether he could afford to stay alive.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

42. Bin Laden being dead is a loopy conspiracy theory???

Looks mighty plausible to me. Might be true or not. (And the likelihood of it being true isn't going to get any lower.)

[tekisui]

46. It is CT now that a Democratic Administration is hanging their

hat on finding him. It was practically common knowledge just a little while ago.

[laughingliberal]

52. A brief reminder of a DU rule

Do not say that you are hitting the alert link to report another member. You are permitted to tell someone that you are adding them to your ignore list, provided that you actually do so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[madinmaryland]

57. Lighten up, Francis.

tru and I and a few other are pretty loose in another forum here. Since I thought this OP was meant as an humorous post, I responded in kind.

[laughingliberal]

63. Forgive me if that was meant as humor. My humor meter is a little sluggish today nt

[trumad]

59. Mad's OK---

He just misses his boy Cboy. ;-)

[madinmaryland]

64. Have you been channeling your ...

"inner cboy" again??

[Forkboy]

68. Hey, why don't you two get a Sports Forum?

:)

[madinmaryland]

74. Whoa! What are you doing here in the 9/11 tinfoilhat forum!!

[Forkboy]

75. I'm a fan of MIHOP with one small change in detail.

It was Belichick. :D

[madinmaryland]

77. HOLY SHIT, Dude! Belicheck has been video taping OBL!!1!!

:wow:

Sorry to doubt you, when you said Belicheck was not video taping football teams!!

[Forkboy]

80. Could be worse. Jerry Jones is looking to field him at QB.

:hide:

[madinmaryland]

83. I guess Jerry could show Belicheck's video tape of OBL on his 3D

jumbotron!

:D

[Forkboy]

84. LOL

We root for a couple of assholes, clearly! :rofl:

[madinmaryland]

25. Doesn't this crap belong in the 9/11 tinfoilhat dungeon. ALERTING!

It really did need to be reiterated!

[newspeak]

30. what is wrong in questioning if he still exists?

There is nothing wrong in discussing the matter. Since, my SIL will soon be going to Afghanistan, I have every right to question if he's going there for the right reasons. OBL has been used time and time again for various political reasons. I remember him being trotted out before the 2004 elections-an appearance that aided giving * a win. We have a right to question--or maybe ya'll think we should keep believing about the bogeyman--a man, apparently, who single handedly brought us two wars and is aiding in the economic downfall of our country (with the help of some very greedy war profiteers).

[trumad]

60. Thank you for getting why I posted this...

You got McChrystal blunting the criticism of the Afghan surge by invoking Bin Laden.

[madinmaryland]

76. Question for you tru, as to whether or not he is dead.

As of now, there is no definitive evidence that OBL is dead. Since there is no evidence, don't we need to assume that he is alive? To me, it's actually a logic problem. The evidence that seems to be mentioned is that no-one has actually seen him and that he may have a kidney disease. It seems a jump to me, based on the evidence, to assume that he is dead.

That being said, should we even be chasing OBL, or should we be working on supporting Pakistan and Afghanistan government such to create stability?

[fascisthunter]

95. and there's no proof he is still alive

the man was on a dialysis machine. Bhutto spilled the beans on tv, then was assassinated by whom we don't know. There are too many gaps in the story this government keeps feeding us on many issues, including this one. We already know about other heinous acts by this government so it isn't that much of a leap to think they use a terrorist as a reason to stay in the middle east. I believe Bhutto was being honest, and she paid the price for that honesty.

[trumad]

146. I think he's dead...

Is there definitive evidence... Nope.

Point is--- they keep using the weekend at Bernies prop every time the surge troops... and its getting old.

[madinmaryland]

148. I do agree with your point that for the last eight years, everything

has been blamed on the convenient boogeyman (OBL). OTOH, even if he is dead, you still have the Al-queda boogeyman.

I just objected to the someone claiming something with only circumstantial evidence. That's why I recommended this be moved to the 9/11 :tinfoilhat: forum.

[trumad]

149. But it has nothing to do with 9/11

[madinmaryland]

153. I thought that was where all of the tinfoilhat conspiracies went.

Just like the gungeon.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

32. How the heck could anyone know whether he's alive or dead?

Did you visit his cave?

[bjobotts]

110. There was a funeral service held and reported on by those attending.

[bjobotts]

111. All the last tapes sent were proven forgeries.Ever seen anyone getting dialysis

[bjobotts]

112. Google. The info is there.He's dead...but Bush said "I just don't care where he's at" He knew

[spanone]

33. fuck all the generals...their job is to kill people. so why haven't they killed this guy?

mccrystal has failed

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Then why hasn't he been made a martyr by his people?

And why does he periodically release audio discussing current events?

[Frank Cannon]

40. Why can't he afford a frickin' $20 webcam?

If he was buried under a several tons of rubble in an attack, as has been suggested, even his own people may not know definitively if he's dead or alive.

And if he died of natural causes, as may also be the case (he was a dialysis patient), then that doesn't necessarily make for martyr material.

I'm pretty sure he's "pining for the fjords".

[mmonk]

38. "It's still in between fiction and fact."

Zardari added that his country's intelligence agencies "obviously feel that he does not exist anymore," but he didn't explain how or when they reached that conclusion, and quickly qualified his comment by saying bin Laden "may be dead."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/27/osama-bin-laden-is-dead-a_n_191960.html

[Kalyke]

39. Is your avatar of Tim "Crybaby" Tebow?

We're SEC fans (specifically Tennessee) at our house, but were routing for Alabama in the SEC Championship game.

We laughed our asses off at Tebow's crying jag after the Tide Rolled over the mini Gators last week. Hilarity ensued at our house. :)

[trumad]

62. As a Hurricane fan...

I find it the greatest Avatar ever.

[the blues]

120. Hahaha@your avatar

:rofl:

[amborin]

44. John Burns, a noted reporter who's traveled there many times, thinks so, too! n/t

[kenny blankenship]

48. But he's even more dangerous that way! He used to have merely political goals when he was alive

Now he wants to eat the brains of every man, woman and child in America!

[Subdivisions]

51. I would've recced your post for the Bones pic alone. But I also agree that he's dead, Jim. n/t

[Ohio Joe]

53. So...

President Obama is in on it?

[chimpymustgo]

141. Ding ding ding!!!!

[Generator]

54. When I heard that out of McChyrstal's mouth I knew

that this war will never end. As they say in LOST, dead is dead. So whatever that thing is that stands in for Locke-er Bin Laden- isn't the same one. Maybe they can trot him out in 2012 to make sure Obama wins. Just wait.

[xiamiam]

65. even if he were alive..whichhe is not...was or is he worth the trillions we have spent

trying to track him down?

thats the part that just irritates the hell out of me...hes been dead since shortly after tora bora...nothing but audio tapes after hose days which were hauled out before an election or to distract our attention from something..that usually dick cheney was up to...

this borders on ridiculous and im not afraid of him...and i dont want to see anyone else killed in the effort to get him...its so stupid..has the equivalency of an excuse from a teenager

[LanternWaste]

67. I simply don't know...

I'm none too bright, so I find myself saying "I don't know..." more often than not. However, I do feel rather relieved to live in a world with so many Perfect Prognosticators and Madame Marie's.

I understand the Sunday morning televangelist crowd is thinning these days... may be a perfect opportunity to make a move to the Big Time.

[Gregorian]

72. He's dead to me. And it doesn't matter. why don't we just clean up our act.

Then no one will want to trouble us. That's Gregg's solution to terrorists. Be nice. Don't be assholes. If we had just done that we'd have never had trouble in the first place. But since that's too easy, and doesn't earn lots of money for contractors and munition production, I suppose we'll have to just keep our machinery running.

Meanwhile, the icecaps are melting. I have this graph in my head. It's stupidity on one axis, and world temperature on the other. At some point we're going to abandon the stupid stuff we do and start working on survival. I wish I could be here to witness that moment. Actually I wish we could be responsible enough to avoid it. So Bin Laden lives!

[bluesmail]

73. Good Thread, reminds me of (choked up) the old DU. Woops

>>>>>>Didn't get finished with the bickerings. That was not the old DU. Edited to add that, <<<<<<

[trumad]

78. Rather civil I say.

[Cali_Democrat]

81. Great post!

:applause:

[rosesaylavee]

88. Thank you but

you will have to re-air this thread about every month for most people to eventually get it. And this does remind of the old DU.

[rosesaylavee]

89. Links to the 2001 "HE's DEAD" story

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=141244&mesg_id=141264

Got tired of repeating this on threads so fortunately, saved in a journal entry...

Again, thanks for this thread.

[Catshrink]

91. I used to have that on a screensaver.

I'd be working quietly in my office and suddenly I'd hear McCoy say: He's dead, Jim. Made me jump out of my chair.

[katty]

92. geez is he even in the game anymore?! what a joke

the bin laden boogeyman scenario has lasted longer than any Hollywood horror film franchise.

[bluedigger]

94. I'm inclined to agree with you, General, but

We have a rule we live by in my professional life: The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

We just don't friggin' know...

I find it equally likely that the Saudis have had him in their possession for a while now...they are not our friends.

[d3m0l1sh3r]

96. I killed him in Rio just to watch him die.

Of course he's dead. He was living on his cousin's farm in Lexington, but then I took him to Rio and killed him, just to watch him die.

[rtassi]

116. I thought it was Reno?

[Forkboy]

125. Who cares? The guy was a bastard and we shot him down.

You and your nitpicking! ;)

[varelse]

104. You've got a way with words ;-)

[Andronex]

114. It's no secret that Bin Laden was a CIA asset...

that he was very useful in projecting US foreign policy against the soviets, and he never stopped being useful, even more so by giving a pretext to justify the expansion of US military power in the middle east. It doesn't take a very bright person to figure this one out.

[winyanstaz]

117. I have trying to tell you guys he was dead for years now...

He is dead...has been dead...will stay dead.
How do I know for sure>?
(I know I will most likely be flamed etc for this but I dont care.)
I couldnt find his light-fibers or the energy layer of his energy field..and when someone has no light-fibers or energy layer they are dead. (I teach people to see and feel and work with energy fields/auras and the majority of people can learn to do the same.)

[Flatulo]

122. Well. That is certainly compelling evidence.

[winyanstaz]

143. It would be if you ever learned how to do it yourself...and you can .

I believe it could easily be proven as well if studied by main stream scientists and I believe it soon will be if it isnt already.

[Flatulo]

145. Does it involve squinting or pressing on your eyeballs real hard?

[winyanstaz]

154. nope...sorry....

In fact..I am so sure you could learn it..I will happily teach you how to learn how to do it for yourself for free.
If I can..you can go on line once a week for a year and tell everyone about it. That seems fair to me. :)

[ecstatic]

118. I've suspected that, but I have no proof. Neither do you nt

[judesedit]

119. He's probably having dinner with the Bush's every Thursday evening

Such a farce. Papa Bush was having dinner with Papa Bin Laden in close proximaty to the disaster when sonny boy Bush flew the whole Bin Laden family out of the country on 9/11 on their own special flights. No one else was allowed in the air. Then taps EVERYONE ELSE'S phones for ANY hint of knowledge about anything while the people that do have knowledge he flies out of the country. Such bullshit. To me, that alone shows mass coverup. Then they miraculously come up with the names of all of the hijackers almost instantly. More bogus bullshit. I thought similar things about Saddam, too, and his sons. They could easily have created for display their capture and deaths. I don't trust the last administration or anyone associated with them for one second. I wouldn't let them watch my dog. This includes every person in the republican congress that helped them get away with it in the middle of the night ..no democrats allowed. They didn't make one peep about the illegal war, the secret war budget, the bilking of the American people of billions, not one little squawk. Now all of a sudden they care about the deficit. Sure they do. Unless it's going into their pcokets. After they took a nice surplus left by the last democratic president and turned it into a huge nightmare of a deficit. They are nothing but scum. Every dog has his day.

[pauldp]

123. Musharraf said he thought he was dead.

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/01/18/gen.musharraf.binladen/

"I would give the first priority that he is dead."

[RagAss]

124. I always thought he was hiding in Western China.

[Richd506]

127. Glad there was an unrec feature

[jobycom]

132. That's silly.

Just to give easy answers (whether they are true or not) to your questions: He wasn't on the tellie any more five years ago, they just talked more about him. He quit putting out so many tapes because he's in hiding, and not just from the US. Makes sense that we wouldn't hear from him as much. None of the facial differences or beard coloring or ear lobes or any of that have been conclusive. I remember in 92 when Mary Matlin claimed Clinton was dying his hair because it looked like it was different colors in different pictures, and the media ran a clip of Clinton on stage with his hair changing colors as he moved into different lighting. Add to that all the photos that "prove," for instance, that Bob Dylan and Paul McCartney died in the 60s and were replaced by doubles with different ear lobes and noses, and you can easily see that ear lobes and nose shapes and sizes appear very different in different angles.

If he's alive, it makes sense he's hiding. It makes sense he would change his appearance. It makes sense we'd here from him only through convulated channels. Even if he's alive, some of the tapes could still be fakes.

I don't know if he's dead or alive. Neither do you, and being certain of something you don't know is silly. Nothing you said proves it one way or the other. Nor does anything I said, but I'm not claiming to know.

[eridani]

135. A blast from the past on how to make fake tapes with real voices

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=358&topic_id=3185

[gleaner]

136. I agree with you ...

Bin Laden used to make videos of himself all the time. He could not resist the attention or the publicity. They were obviously Bin Laden, the images of him were consistent and the sound was clear. Suddenly at the height of his struggle he stops making films? Then these chop shop specials turn up courtesy of the US government. The images of Bin Laden morph from age to age, size to size and they are obviously a bunch of clips stuck together. The sound is muffled, even experts say they have to guess at a translation and they are not at all consistent.

I think he died in Tora Bora during the heavy bombing. Bush, however could not terrify America with a dead terrorist, so he denied that he was dead, backed off on his promises to capture him and continued to raise terror alerts and show faked tapes. Now this administration seems to have taken up where Bush left off. Don't they know you can't kill someone buried under tons of rock for years? Apparently not. But you can kill US troops and Afghanis and it doesn't seem to matter to anyone.

[CrispyQ]

144. I rarely actually 'laugh out loud'

but the Binny card damn near made me spew my coffee & I'm still chortling! :rofl:

I think Binny's dead, too.