Apparently, elections DO NOT MATTER-F*** the Dems-Bush gets away with it & they're letting GOP win

[kpete]

F*** these Democrats. Bush gets away with it and they're letting the GOP win on purpose.

Apparently, elections DO NOT MATTER, because we are getting ANOTHER unpopular war and we are NOT getting a popular program like the Public Option, and all because Corporations have overthrown our democracy. They didn't need bullets, dollars did the job better than bullets ever could.

To be blunt, Democrats are losing on purpose, and I have had enough of the spineless wusses who want to play pattycake with the lunatics who kick them in the balls. If you aren't fighting back you are THROWING THE FIGHT, and that goes for EVERY DEM, top to bottom.

Watching that gutless clown Harry Reid do everything in his power to avoid using a simple 50+1 majority to pass legislation in the Senate should be a stark wake the f up to every American who gives a shit about democracy, left or right. Instead, Reid has done everything in his power to cede power to the Lieberman's and Nelson's who do NOT represent the majority of the Democratic base. The purpose of this is to find an excuse for watering down legislation that could easily be passed without the input of people who do NOT want real reform to pass if it might threaten a single dollar of corporate profits. To ignore this is to be willfully blind.

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By not attacking the GOP the way they would and have attacked us Democrats are letting them get away with it. They are covering it up. They are allowing themselves to take the blame for the Bush/Cheney legacy of FAIL, and it will cost them in future elections, but that is okay, because when the Democrats go back to being in the minority they won't need to make any more excuses about why they just don't have the votes we gave them in 2008.

more rant:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/9/812111/-F***-these-Democrats.-Bush-gets-away-with-it-and-theyre-letting-the-GOP-win-on-purpose.

[stray cat]

1. 8 years under Gore would have been the same as W

at least I guess in your opinion

[Lydia Leftcoast]

3. Remember that Gore was a founding member of the DLC

He might have been less different from Bush than you think.

Smarter, but probably at the beck and call of the military-industrial complex, too.

[Stevepol]

8. Gore would definitely NOT gone into Iraq. No president could have avoided going into Afghanistan.

[winyanstaz]

17. and why couldnt one avoid it? I dont buy that..sorry

[JFN1]

21. If Bush hadn't allowed 9/11 to happen

we would not have gone to war with Afghanistan to begin with...

[kenfrequed]

7. This is not an actual response.

So rather than address the actual issues you toss out a rather tired and stale retort that tries and fails to justify the things that are wrong.

[HuckleB]

9. This thread is tired and stale.

It's a retread. I've gone through this repeated self-defeat crap too many times in my life.

Seriously, stop repeating this history.

[kenfrequed]

11. Maybe

If you are hearing progressives standing up and speaking out with this level of frequency maybe it should tell you something. Telling them STFU or spitting out absurd one liners is neither going to improve your position nor convince them.

If anything this Run to the Middle is going to kill what ought to be an easy win.

[HuckleB]

12. One liners are all I'm hearing from the supposed "progressives" standing up...

I'm tired of ivory towers of ease. And that's what this comes down to... It's easy to walk away, and feel that one is superior to others. It's hard to dig in and keep digging. The work of politics is messy, and it is not feel good. But to scream and yell and walk away is juvenile and self-destructive, not mention destructive toward the community itself.

[kenfrequed]

14. Then you are not listening or you do not care.

Most of the reasonable progressives I see on the board that critique policy or complain about the lack of change either have one specific issue or a laundry list of complaints. Most of us also write letters and make phonecalls and send emails and donate money as well. I know I do.

Aside from that many of us volunteer for campaigns and march and protest as well.

So what is the 'screaming, yelling, walk away' part to which you are referring in your gilded towers of comfort?

What more is there to do when many in your party ignore the will of the peoiple, ignore the base, and ignore good economic sense when it comes to healthcare reform?

Tell me oh wise one. What is the next step that we foolish silly lefty simpletons aren't grasping. We work a hell of a lot harder than the illusory centrists (who actually end up being lobbyists like the insurance lobby) but how many progressives actually get put on the cabinet?

[HuckleB]

16. Oh, I'm listening.

And while some may do some things. Most of what is pushed at DU is claims that people will walk away. If you're not noticing that, then you're not paying attention. Again, get involved in your local party organization. Keep talking. Keep pushing. Keep voting. If we allow the history of 1994 and 2000 to repeat itself, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Further, your pretend BS about working harder than others is simply self-centered nonsense. Get over that crap first.

[kenfrequed]

20. Feh

As I thought.


I actually do vote (obviously) and I actually am an activist (though clearly more an issue activist these days). I donate more money than I can afford to to causes I believe in. I go to the caucuses and all the way to the state convention in Minnesota (which is harder given that Minnesota has a very, very active and engaged electorate).

Go patronize other people this bilge because you are not impressing me one bit. Progressives and Liberals DO work harder than the supposed centrists. Honestly I have rarely actually met one of these so-called centrists. I have met hundreds and hundreds of people that have been lulled into the pink and purple polka-dot dragon of 'electability' or 'viability' that have been cowed by polls given before they have even heard the names of candidates or by talk of the amount in a candidates war-chest.

Progressives are the ones that push the issues. You know those silly little things that we are supposed to be standing for and sometimes voting on. I have rarely ever heard any so-called 'moderates' (read: conservadems) talk seriously about the issues in a truly meaningful fashion without some interjection about 'budget-nuetral' or 'we can't have another entitlement program' or whatever.

[MilesColtrane]

2. Unrec'd for using "fail" as a noun.

[NJmaverick]

4. Keep helping the GOP by spouting this nonsense

the proof of how wrong you are can be seen in NJ. If the NJ legislature passes a gay marriage bill, it's success or failure will rest on if the DEM CORZINE is still in power of if the REP CHRISTIE has taken over. Republican Christie has no problem crapping all over people's basic civil liberties.

[leeroysphitz]

5. K&R etc...

[Blue Owl]

6. Money's trumping everything

Harry Reid is a gift to corruption.

[Bitwit1234]

10. Is there any constitutional lawyer on this site who

can check it out to see if we can put the referendum on the ballot to limit terms of these a**holes in congress. I get so sick and tired of hearing "just vote them Out". You can't..they are so well funded by the corporations and big business any body running against them do not have a chance. BUT if they were given only 4 or 6 years they wouldn't be able to entrench themselves and turn the vote into a money machine. WE HAVE TO HAVE TERM LIMITS. And while we are at it make lobbying illegal.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

13. I'm not an attorney, but I do know that there is no referendum or recall

on the federal level. Where referendum, initiative, and recall exist on the state level, they were innovations of the Progressive era.

[MilesColtrane]

19. That would require a constitutional amendment.

Term limits really wouldn't solve the problem anyway.

It's money that corrupts, not time in office.

[Waiting For Everyman]

15. 100% right. K&R

This is becoming crystal-clear. 51 votes on good legislation is the ONLY way to improve anything. This 60-vote-game has been played enough years now, to know it's nothing but a formula for failure.

[omega minimo]

18. Those who love to wave their macho mitts in the air and scream about balls

don't have any either.

Macho antics and tactics are not solutions, they are crys of fear from the helpless. It's also very offputting for new solutions and coalitions that might actually do something.