Did "They" Let Obama Win?

[Dinger]

In my opinion, no. Actually, I believe that some repukes came to their senses in 2008. I am posting this poll in response to this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7189208&mesg_id=7189208

[kirby]

1. No, but...

I think the left the financial system in shambles to limit his ability to accomplish things.

[tabatha]

4. Definitely.

They wanted Obama to deal with the auto-industry - I think they even said that.

They did interfere with the election, but the numbers for Obama were too large to change the results for President - but there should have been more Democratic members of Congress.

[timeforpeace]

10. Only in the sense that they didn't vote for McCain. Some Repukes voted for Obama but it was more not

voting for McCain. People wanted Obama to win though, if that's your point.

[mike_c]

2. thanks for the "not sure" option....

I mean, we can all have our opinions, but unless anyone wants to share data indicating one outcome or the other, no one can ever be certain.

[jobycom]

3. Only in the sense that the SCOTUS didn't exercise it's newfound power

from Bush vs Gore to ignore enough votes to make him lose.

As for some "THEY rig all elections and we are just living in a matrix" nonsense, no, no one let him win.

[dhpgetsit]

5. If it had been close, "They" would have stolen the White House again.

Most voters realize the GOP almost destroyed the country, and McCain had lost a lot of support among the hard-core Right. There was no stopping Obama once it was down ot him or McCain.

[anonymous171]

6. "They" don't let people win.

They just do their best to insure that they win no matter who gets elected (via media.)

[HuckleB]

7. Who's "THEY," and what do you mean by "LET?"

[TexasObserver]

8. No, but THEY are trying to stop any progressive actions he might take.

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. There is no "They"

The dumb paranoia is one of the reasons the Left has little electoral appeal.

[FSogol]

11. That reminds me. Buy stock in Reynolds Wrap.

:tinfoilhat:

[Turbineguy]

12. Well,

McCain did throw in the towel early. Very uncharacteristic for a repub. But he was done and did not have to clean up Bush's shitpile.

[nyc 4 Biden]

13. LIHOP or MIHOP?

LIHOP a possibility, but I still vote no, for now.

[Toasterlad]

14. They Did a Hell Of A Lot More Than "Let Him Win". They Selected Him.

Then they marginalized and/or discredited every other candidate who did not support the corporate agenda until they were left with the two biggest corporate whores the Democrats could find: Obama and Clinton. They didn't really care which of those two corporate whores won; they knew that their agenda would be safe with either.

[Kitty Herder]

15. I think it became clear to them that the number of people voting for Obama was so large that

they couldn't get away with their usual tricks. The fraud would have been apparent if they'd stolen this election, too.

[Greyhound]

16. Just a bit of clarification;

"Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice . . . you don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own, and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying . . . lobbying, to get what they want . . . Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want . . . they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that . . . that doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin' years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers . . . Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it . . . they’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fuckin' place. It’s a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The Big Club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people . . . white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means . . . continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t give a fuck about you . . . they don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t care about you at all . . . at all . . . at all, and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream cause you have to be asleep to believe it..."

[ProudDad]

19. Beautiful

The truest words ever spoke by the grand master...

Thank you :hi:

[ProudDad]

17. You don't get it...obviously

First the let the republicrat win, tweedledeedee...

Ray-gun/Bush

Then they let the democan win, tweedleedum...

Clinton

Then the republicrat

bush

Then the democan

Obama

But the bosses remain the same, the owners remain the same, the masters of war and death and destruction and now the final demise of the Earth as a viable biosphere for large, air-breathing mammals -- the corporate capitalist masters are the ones who call the shots.

Got it now?

Your vote don't mean shit since you have nothing to vote for...but same-o, same-o

As my sigline says == January 2009 - same old shit, different container.

[proteus_lives]

18. Who are "They"?

Do they live?

Points for whoever gets the reference.

[Hannah Bell]

22. ...

[proteus_lives]

25. You win!

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum."

[Douglas Carpenter]

20. only in the sense that anyone who seriously challenges established power

of the banks, insurance companies, investment firms and the military industrial complex is simply not going to be taken seriously by the corporate media as a presidential candidate and is not going to be able to raise the truly big money necessary for a viable presidential bid.

All things being equal, financial/corporate power would prefer someone who unabashedly does their bidding. However, under strain, established power will accept the emergence of a candidate who will protect their general interest while accepting some populist demands.

Let me make it clear, I am certainly not alleging some nutty conspiracy theory about cabals and illuminates - I'm talking about how financial power flexes is muscles.

As things currently stand and for the last several decades, anyone who seriously challenged the grip on the power of the corporations and the military industrial complex or challenged basic economic theory about deregulations or questions the imperative of American military emperium was simply marginalized from the beginning and their campaign had no chance at viability.

[grahamhgreen]

21. No, but Obama THINKS it was them (THE RICHEST .01%), BUT really, it was us.

[bridgit]

23. "They" do plan very long range, I think the republican house of cards fell on it's own...

[Raine]

24. They put up the weakest and stupidest opposition

candidates they could, I think that was by design because it was our side's turn to win.

[old mark]

26. NO - it's not quite that bad. Not yet, anyway.

Wait till Palin's second term - when she does away with elections 'n' stuff....

mark

[tom_paine]

27. As has been mentioned, Obama was selected for any number of reasons and that he was allowed to win

had many causes, not the least of it was the Bushies throwing McCain to the wolves and saddling him with Palin.

Why? Because 99.5% of people touchingly believe that we are a Democratic Republic, when what we are is an Inverted Totalitarianism (Google it), and if the "election" had gone to McPalin that number may have dropped dangerously and could have spread "virally".

Now that Obama has been elected, The Bushies and the Corporate Power Elite can go back to rigging shamelessly (but with just enough plausible deniability to keep the 99.5% docile and confused).

So, really, Obama's victory was about Plausible Deniability more than anything.

Also, you have to have Good Cop, in between bouts of Bad Cop or the whole Good Cop/Bad Cop game doesn't work.

It sounds crazy, doesn't it? I know. But if there is one thing the last 30 years have taught us, it's that things aren't what they seem and that, at least recently, the "crazy conspiracy theorists" such as those who knew from the start (now being futher revealed in British hearings censored in Americcca to keep them from the eyes of the 99.5%) that Bushler was ALWAYS going to war and the whole thing was a joke of a Dumbshow to start with, are right far more often than our State-Controlled Media Infogandists.

I would not have believed it, either, years ago. But that was before those "crazy" hippies and conspiracy theorists turned out to be right about Bush, the Iraq War, dropping $100s on Afghanistan, stolen palates of $100s weighing hundreds of tons being shipped to Iraq with no control or accountibility for where it ended up and dozens of other things.

That was when I was so foolish as to believe Tim Russert was a "journalist" not a pudgy Corporate Spokesmodel.

So, yes, after it has been pretty conclusively demonstrated that Americccan "conventional wisdom" is pretty much 100% lies and is the view from Cable TV's and the RW's rectum, such ideas are much easier to believe and make more sense than 90% of the shit shown on Americcca's State-Controlled (but with Plausible Deniability so it doesn't look so much like it) Infoganda Machine.

Finally, an anecdote to prove my point, for I suspect it can be repeated in the millions if not the tens of millions:

I had some friends who, after 8 years of Bushler had finally become a little cynical about voting trustworthiness and other things. "If MCain gets elected," they said, "then I think I finally believe you about vote rigging."

In other words, the Bushies' having taken over Conventional Wisdom means nothing if higher percentages of people come to see that it's a 100% lie than we 0.5% (probably more like 0.05%).

Because the Bushies let Obama win where they most certainly could have stolen it, my friends will never again for the remainder of their lives question voting in this country, no matter what the evidence of coruption and malfeasance or simply lack of voting safeguards which commonsensically suggest the voting system needs shoring up and securing, at the very least.

And I guarantee that has been repeated millions or perhaps even tens of millions of times. The number of the trusting naive is now firmly back to 99.5% or higher, and you'll notice Obama has no inclination, nor will he ever, to reform the "voting" system in the slightest.

Mission accomplished.

NOTE: This is all along the lines of metaphysical speculation, as the larger issues are demonstarbly true but we can never know the exact mechanisms which it is carried out. Direct conspiracy by cigar-smokers in back rooms? Unlikely. Hub-and-spoke implicit conspiracy with the players working not off a big plan but compartmentalized conjoined interests "knowing what they have to do" with a room full of cigar-smokers issuing the orders. More likely.

Is Obama "in on it"? Probably not, but he surely knows who his REAL constituents are: The Corporate Elite and not the peasantry, that's for sure. Though Good Cop throws us a bone or two while giving the Corporate Elite the steak.

But it doesn't matter HOW it works, only that it continues to work as well as when Bushler was in office (except Obama is playing Good Cop).