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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:55 AM Original message |
"You are not the base!" ~ "If you don't vote, the republicans win!" |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. No, if you don't vote for *Democrats* the Republicans win.. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. :) I was trying to keep it short. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
74. Usually if allowed to. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. On issues of substance |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I didn't express myself very well.. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
44. no problemo. n/t |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Lately the republicans win even when we vote for democrats. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. +1 |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #21 |
32. True dat.. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:11 PM Original message |
True. A vote for a DLCer is a vote for the republicans. |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
86. Point taken |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. That is battered wife logic |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. oooo.... new bumper sticker! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
84. A wife has a choice of being single or a choice of other husbands |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. Hard as that fact is, that is exactly right. |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. If we keep rewarding the dems bad behavior, by voting for the 'lesser of two evils' |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
92. I know the list, and disgusting as it is, do you actually think |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #92 |
112. Many do get it it is that those that do |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
89. Until they win so much for so long that the nation fails and then the people get to rebuild. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
70. Vote for "Centrist" Democrats, .... |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
102. if you vote for Democrats, and they win, and they immediately start |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
4. Then we must be the swing voters, whose asses get kissed constantly. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Lip service? Hell, I'd *almost* settle for "lip service." |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. God no. That only happens to moderate and right-leaning voters. They cross the line to vote, they |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
5. John McCain and Sarah Palin |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Rigged system, phony rep democracy, brainwashed populace |
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FailingParachute (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
60. There's a winner! |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #60 |
104. Thanks...wish I were way off base with that, though |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. How do you think the "not base" voted? Or do you think "not base" didn't vote? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. In this recent election? I imagine that most voted for |
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followthemoney (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
105. 300,000 Dumb Ass registered Democrats voted for Bush ... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. False dichotomy. Wouldn't fly in a 7th grade debate class |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I called nobody by either of those names. I don't do that. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. But you did use the false dichotomy. I used my reply to point out the |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
8. The group of people who now consider President Obama to |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Surely, that 1% is not needed, then, is it? Surely only 1% does not |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Pragmatism is what's going on right now. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Idealism to policy? Women's suffrage. Civil Rights. Social Security. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Yes, idealism drives society, but it drives it incrementally. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Would it "drive" so "incrementally" were it not constantly butting up |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. The crisis isn't bad enough yet. Look at the Great Depression. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. I knew there was more agreement there than looked to be. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I understand. I do. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
66. I appreciate your post |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #33 |
101. Have you forgotten America 1981? |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
45. I am on DU every day for long stretches (actually too long) |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. There were several threads along those lines this week. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
85. +1000 |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
90. Just keep telling yourself that. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
93. Apparently it's an important 1% |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
110. I disagree. I think their importance far outweighs the simple headcount. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
11. Maybe the majority of we Americans have insufficient motivation to get the change we need. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Nope. Small groups might, perhaps, but not "we Americans." |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
12. Since the majority at DU isn't worried about what anybody thinks |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Problem = a teaching moment. n/t |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. teaching moment? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. It's arrogance to teach what a member of the minority thinks? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. What is "the minority"? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
13. It's ironical that the RW of the party simultaneously hold us to be both irrelevant and a danger. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Astute observation, that! |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Succintly put. Thank you. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. In the 2008 election, I can tell you who gets the credit. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I wonder what appealed to those people who had "never been in a polling |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Obama was the reason. That was the appeal. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. That sounds suspiciously like a "cult of personality" rather than a |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Hell...Presidential elections have been based on personality |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. I suspect some real "progressive action" could excite some of those folks again. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
106. Where were the progressive voters?" |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
69. A most excellent point. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
75. yeah - we're "irrelevant dangers" |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
80. +1 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
87. You're not a danger |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. A little "right" or a "lot of right"? Like choosing between a teaspoon or tablespoon of arsenic. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
20. Both are true. Small percentages make a difference in close elections. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Nor does it mean the "not base" is insignificant. n/t |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
40. The issue is not whether it is "insignificant". |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. "...clearly they cannot be." Unfortunately, until we have a press and |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. The pollsters are not out to get you (or anyone else.) |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Not what I said. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. " catering to them exclusively" |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
31. K&R |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Hell, Stinky, I'm a feminist. I'm usually reviled. This is just business |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
99. ! |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
37. Good Line |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. Thank you. It'd be nice if they could at least pretend to listen. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
46. Thank you for reclaiming the word "nuance". |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. I guess if the crumbs are cake rather than bread... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. It's pretty funny |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Yep, that's true. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
50. I became "NOT THE BASE" when my vote was stolen by the democrats ..after already going through the |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Ouch! And Damn! |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. oh It doesn't hurt anymore..once you realize there are no two parties.. |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. It's all a scam. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. great poster |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
77. talk about disillusionment! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
91. Nothing like working in the system to learn how hopelessly screwed we are. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #91 |
114. Tell me about it! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Very similar to my experiences as well. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
73. Maybe we should TEST the formula and sit out the next two cycles. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. I think we all need to |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
79. The President says words matter, but I say talk is cheap. n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
81. K&R |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
82. Politics is nothing like customer service |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
83. Curious as to why you posted an OP instead of dealing with Pitt's thread directly |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #83 |
96. His is not the first to propagate this notion. |
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followthemoney (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-12-09 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
94. It is fully within the ability of these two parties... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Time for Change did an excellent post on just this topic a week or so ago. |
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Fading Captain (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
97. BAM! Exactly. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
98. Well played, Cerridwen. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
100. Maybe time to stop accepting the magical thinking. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 02:57 AM Response to Original message |
103. Very good points Cerridwen. And how is it that the same man that said only months |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. I think it's what he always meant. He wants us to help out but without giving our input. Nothing new |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #109 |
117. He even does a piss-poor job of that |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. it keeps making me think it is all one big collusion. |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
107. Losing to the Republicans is the Democrats' punishment for not giving me my pony. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
108. If you are on the left and you don't vote, you drive the country further to the right |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-13-09 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
111. I used to counsel 'nuance' and was called everything but 'the wet nurse of Hugo Chavez'... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
113. I don;t see why those are mutually exclusive. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
116. The problem is when the line between Democrats and Republicans |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
119. I'll deal with the responses I missed tomorrow. It's bedtime here. n/t |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-15-09 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
120. "Do it or the Republicans win" is becoming less and less threatening. |
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