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Sun Dec-13-09 05:27 PM
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When did our public servants become our masters? |
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the '80's?
How did they pull it off?
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Sun Dec-13-09 05:29 PM
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1. Yes I remember well how Nixon was a servant of the people |
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:05 PM
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8. And Nixon was ran out of office. |
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Sun Dec-13-09 05:29 PM
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2. It's been going on since the beginning |
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to greater and lesser degrees, perhaps, but it's always been there.
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Sun Dec-13-09 05:31 PM
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3. When corporations took over the USA, thus owning polititians with corp. money and power. |
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Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 05:35 PM by rubberducky
This way the corps. get to decide what is "best" for us. Most of the time,of couse, any laws that are passed for our "benefit", fatten the bottom line.
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Sun Dec-13-09 05:36 PM
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4. In a mature society, "civil servant" is semantically equal to "civil master." |
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-Heinlein http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_A._HeinleinIt's been quite a while, Heinlein died in 1988..
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Sun Dec-13-09 05:40 PM
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5. The day the Constitution went into effect |
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And the only thing that happened then was that a new structure replaced the old one.
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:03 PM
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6. It depends on how we define "them" and "us" |
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It's an old story. Read...
"The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism" by Emmanuel Goldstein (Found in "1984" - George Orwell)
and "A People's History of the United States" - Howard Zinn
and "A People's History of the World" - Chris Harman
and "Open Veins of Latin America" - Eduardo Galeano
and "The Shock Doctrine" Naomi Klein
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:08 PM
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:17 PM
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14. I can't believe I forgot Chomsky |
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I don't mean to overuse the proletariat and bourgeois thing, but what we are really experiencing is nothing more complicated than class struggle. Everything else is derivative.
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:42 PM
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16. I like Zinn the best. |
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And for a guy like me, London always really put it in words I can relate to and understand. Chomsky I always have to read two or three times before I get what he's talking about.
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Sun Dec-13-09 07:16 PM
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23. Chomsky tends to ramble on a bit... |
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Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 07:16 PM by Goldstein1984
but I still always recommend Zinn for history.
Naomi Klein did a great job of explaining disaster capitalism in "The Shock Doctrine."
I forgot to mention "Stripping Bare the Body: Politics, Violence, War" - Mark Danner
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:05 PM
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7. When Corporations became people. |
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It all traces back to that.
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:09 PM
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10. They aren't our masters. They are middle management for our real masters |
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The top 1% are our masters.
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Sun Dec-13-09 07:02 PM
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22. that makes THEM "private servants"! GREAT POINT. |
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:12 PM
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That was the day that the back-room-boys took over. The rest is history.
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:15 PM
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12. The Convergence of many forces starting in the Reagan Administration |
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Actually it was easily pulled off. Here are a few of the forces coming together.
1. The Rise of the Conservative Movement. Conservatives, in their very nature are authoritarian. "like to be led". rank and file are not questioning of authority by nature. Rather they are more suspicious of those who are quick to quesion authority. Order is most important. The Republican Party had been "wandering lost in the desert for years." Conservatives developed serious Think Tanks. Every Conservative who could, it seemed wrote one book after another praising and building up Conservatism. Republicans made an organized and successful effort to lay a heavy guilt trip on Liberals most especially the Media,Television in particular. By making the Media feel guilty over ignoring and not taking Conservatives seriously enough, the Republicans made lasting in roads. Knowing the value of Republicans appearing on Television as often as possible, they trained their Candidates their Members of Congress. Walk, talk with confidence. Make people believe you know what you are talking about. People will follow the self-assured person who seems to believe in something and has something to say. The rise of Hate Radio sealed things.
That gives you an introduction. Most of you, I assume can add to what I have said.
2. Messaging: Repeat anything over and over enough times and the Public will believe it --even a lie.
3. Kill Liberalism. Demean, belittle, emphasize the negative. Repeat over and over even lies and the Public will believe. Instead of fighting back and defending themselves, the Liberals assisted the GOP by calling themselves Progessives. Now the GOP jokes about Progressives.
The Conservative Wing of Democratic Party joined Reagan in his FREE MARKET CHANGES. Putting the Free Market in Charge of our Country has led to the Meltdown today. Our own party is right there so far. "The Market will solve problems. Obama has tried to change this somewhat but his advisors are DLC Conservatives. Think of all the deregulation all the way to Bush--even Clinton. Free Market Principles--Let the Market work its will. In other word Business Men have the power. "The Invisible Hand" will solve all problems.
It took both parties but the rise of the Conservative Movement was most influential.
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:38 PM
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15. Well said.. very well researched... |
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:17 PM
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13. If you're talking about the Congress, they were always members of the |
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privileged class, for the most part.
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:44 PM
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17. Back in 1776. Wealthy landowners wrote our constitution. |
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They've controlled government ever since.
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:46 PM
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Sun Dec-13-09 08:28 PM
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Edited on Sun Dec-13-09 08:29 PM by DavidDvorkin
it was in the next decade (when the Constitution was written).
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:46 PM
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campaign bribery bought them.
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:46 PM
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January 20, 1981...around noonish.
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Sun Dec-13-09 06:47 PM
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21. When was the news media consolidated into the hands of a few megacorporations? |
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Sun Dec-13-09 07:18 PM
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24. When they decided to create a Republic in Philly |
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Way back when.
Ask Madison. He's explain it all.
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Sun Dec-13-09 09:55 PM
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26. When they decided to sell their services to the highest bidder. |
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