I'm gonna say it once again. FIRE EMANUEL RAHM NOW!

[Hawkeye-X]

Just sayin'.

He has done nothing but disaster for the American people to protect the DLC's interests.

Hawkeye-X

[polichick]

1. imo he does what his boss asks him to do. nt

[DJ13]

2. I agree, they're pretty much a team

[Hawkeye-X]

3. Since when?

Seems like everything Rahm conveys is the opposite of what Obama promised during the campaign.

Hawkeye-X

[polichick]

4. I don't argue with that, but the orders come from the boss...

imo Obama talked a great game during that campaign, but what you see now is what you really get.

[theoldman]

6. You get a very intelligent president.

[polichick]

7. Could be - but not a progressive. nt

[defendandprotect]

24. There is obviously an elite filter which picks our leaders ... who we can vote for . ..

Look at the corporate money backing Obama -- for what???

[polichick]

31. Sure does look like it! nt

[HowHasItComeToThis]

13. BINGO

[alarimer]

15. Because he had no intention of ever keeping those promises.

We were sold a bill of goods as usual.

[chimpymustgo]

17. Are you saying Rahm is going rogue, so to speak? Or Rahm's the boss of Obama?

Where does the buck stop?

[defendandprotect]

25. Actually, the BUCK stops somewhere above Obama, I'd imagine . . .

somewhere with TPB --

[saracat]

37. Actually it isn't and Obama solicited Emmanuel. He didn't want the job.

He is bad news I agree but he relects the WH position. Obama isn't being held hostage to anyone. These are the WH positions.

[rollingrock]

5. He deserves to be canned yesterday

but I bet his replacement is just as bad.

[texasleo]

8. He does Obama's bidding. Stop pretending otherwise.

[RufusTFirefly]

11. Noooo! It's not the president's fault!

Rahm is a renegade, a maverick, a loose cannon, a lone nut. After all, that's the traditional American explanation for most inconvenient truths.

[peacebird]

9. i was horrified and disgusted when Obama appointed him, but hoped he would do Obama's bidding

now I am not sure that he is NOT doing Obama's bidding, in which case I am extremely disappointed in Obama.

[SIMPLYB1980]

Too bad.

:rofl:

[blues90]

10. It's a real shame that any candidate is not forced to announce

Who the intend to pick for their cabinet before the elections. At least we would get the full picture. It's the same with congress and the senate , they vote we don't on who the leader will be.

It's only fair that the people get the full picture then vote.

[defendandprotect]

26. Good point -- and maybe we need some signed PLEDGES as well????

[bluestateguy]

12. Rahm was asking Reid to use reconciliation

just throwing that out.

[Sebastian Doyle]

14. He also asked him to make a deal with Traitor Lieberdouche

Fuck both of them. And if Harry can't get REAL reform through reconciliation, fuck him too.

[defendandprotect]

27. But Harry Reid, himself, is evidently called Repug-lite in Nevada . . .???!!!

[stray cat]

16. Rahm works for Obama

[Frances]

18. I think that posts like yours REALLY help the teabaggers

and GOP

Focusing your anger on anyone other than Joe Lieberman means Lieberman wins and the ordinary person loses.

[Hawkeye-X]

19. Dude, Emanuel is DLC

and DLC has my permanent hatred.

[defendandprotect]

29. DLC is corporate poison in the Democratic Party ...

Also think Rahm holds dual citizenship -- Israeli -- and is big on AIPAC????

[michaz]

20. When members of our party allow Lieberman to get away with all of this....

they are equally to blame! That is simple common sense.

[Frances]

23. What are they supposed to do?

Dems, whether they are Kucinich supporters or DLC, can't make Lieberman vote the way I want him to. Lieberman is a real JERK.

But now there are two choices: throw in the towel because we don't have the 60 votes we need to pass reform OR take what we can get.

Teddy Kennedy regretted that he didn't vote for what was possible with health care in his career.

I say take what we can get; support the Dems and try again later.

Right now, though, it will be tough to elect more progressive Dems to replace Blue Dogs and turncoats like Lieberman unless we Dems of all stripes get our act together.

It seems to me that a lot of DUers are behaving in a way designed to make Palin/Huckabee President/VP and DeMInt House Speaker.

I'm old and won't live too long but those of you who are younger will "rue the day" as my generation used to say if you don't start thinking logically.

[michaz]

28. I will be 60 in a few days and one thing I learned a long time ago is...

don't bargain with the devil! That is exactly what they are doing and we are going from hope to despair and from the pot into the fire. If we can't get what we need in this Healthcare bill then what are we getting for the good? Just to say we have one makes no sense at all. If it is not going to help then why do we need what the Republican's want? Makes no sense to bargain away all the good. If we pass a bill with all the important things missing we have played completely into the hands of the Republican's and they will use it to their advantage as we sit idly by looking like they have won.

[Frances]

33. I don't agree

If Obama doesn't sign some kind of healthcare bill, the Repubs will have won.

The point I think Teddy Kennedy was making is that we need something to amend and improve. Getting that something is VERY difficult, which is why Truman and LBJ and others failed. The climate today IMO is much worse than when LBJ got medicare. I don't think medicare would be passed today if it were being introduced.

[defendandprotect]

30. No --- #1 -- REMOVE Lieberman from his chairmanship . . .

Bar him from Democratic Party meetings, whatever . . .

51 votes is a majority --

When "taking what we can get" represents $600 billion for the insurance industry

corporations, you begin on a road we would never be able to remove them from --


Minor compromise sometimes work -- compromise with Lieberman or Repugs doesn't --

Keep in mind our Founders compromised with SLAVERY -- and SLAVE states -- which was

the road to the Civil War which we still haven't recovered from --

and widespread racism!!!

Agree . . . Democrats have to stop being so frightened and liberals/progressives have

to come together to encourage more liberal candidates and to TARGET "Blue dogs" and

and DLC and others who voting for the Repug agenda.

What we need is a Plan B -- any suggestions?

Obviously, we have to get corporate money out of our elections --

Democrats are not doing what they should be doing because they are more beholden --

to corporations than to the people . . . i.e., PRE-BRIBED and PRE-OWNED --!!!

[MNDemNY]

21. Fire him?? He's the hero of the White House!!!

[defendandprotect]

22. Get the DLC out of the White House . . . Rahm and any other DLC lovers ....

[Individualist]

32. That won't happen

Are you aware that Obama has said "I'm a New Democrat"? Are you also aware that DLC was the founder of NDC?

[optimator]

34. Obama agrees with Rahm on everything

thats why he hired him.

[amborin]

35. fire him 11+ months ago:

<<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >

[SOCALS]

36. He was only there for 10 months

Who do you suggest replacing him with?

[Gold Metal Flake]

38. What are you gonna do to make him?

[rudy23]

39. Obama aint firing his number one draft pick. He was the first hire for a reason.

Rahm's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. Notice we're ready to revolt against Rahm, but not Obama. Obama's the one who got out there and lied to us about who he was.

[KamaAina]

40. Sorry, no can do

the guy who needs to be fired, cool his heels in an unempolyment line for an hour or two, then embark on a new career as a peanut vendor at Nationals Park is Rahm Emanuel.