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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:59 PM
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Supreme Court Refuses to Hear Gitmo Torture Case Claiming Detainees Are Not "Persons"
Supreme Court Refuses to Hear Gitmo Torture Case Claiming Detainees Are Not "Persons"
Posted by, Center for Constitutional Rights at 4:00 PM on December 14, 2009.

Today, the United States Supreme Court refused to review a lower court's dismissal of a case brought by four British former detainees against Donald Rumsfeld and senior military officers for ordering torture and religious abuse at Guantánamo. The British detainees spent more than two years in Guantanamo and were repatriated to the U.K. in 2004.

The Obama administration had asked the court not to hear the case. By refusing to hear the case, the Court let stand an earlier opinion by the D.C. Circuit Court which found that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, a statute that applies by its terms to all "persons" did not apply to detainees at Guantanamo, effectively ruling that the detainees are not persons at all for purposes of U.S. law. The lower court also dismissed the detainees' claims under the Alien Tort Statute and the Geneva Conventions, finding defendants immune on the basis that "torture is a foreseeable consequence of the military’s detention of suspected enemy combatants." Finally, the circuit court found that, even if torture and religious abuse were illegal, defendants were immune under the Constitution because they could not have reasonably known that detainees at Guantanamo had any Constitutional rights.

Eric Lewis, a partner in Washington, D.C.’s Baach Robinson & Lewis, lead attorney for the detainees, said, "It is an awful day for the rule of law and common decency when the Supreme Court lets stand such an inhuman decision. The final word on whether these men had a right not to be tortured or a right to practice their religion free from abuse is that they did not. Future prospective torturers can now draw comfort from this decision. The lower court found that torture is all in a days' work for the Secretary of Defense and senior generals. That violates the President's stated policy, our treaty obligations and universal legal norms. Yet the Obama administration, in its rush to protect executive power, lost its moral compass and persuaded the Supreme Court to avoid a central moral challenge. Today our standing in the world has suffered a further great loss."

The four former detainees -- Shafiq Rasul, Asif Iqbal, Rhuhel Ahmed, and Jamal Al-Harith -- were held from 2002 to 2004 at Guantánamo before being sent home to England without being charged with any offense. They filed their case in 2004 seeking damages from former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and senior American military officers for violations of their constitutional rights and of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which prohibits infringement of religion by the U.S. government against any person. Their claims were dismissed in 2008 by the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit when that court held that detainees have no rights under the Constitution and do not count as "persons" for purposes of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act...

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/144568/supreme_court_refuses_to_hear_gitmo_torture_decision_claiming_detainees_are_not_%22persons%22/
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:01 PM
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1. What a country! Corporations are persons but people may or may not be nt
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:04 PM
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2. It seems to me a DNA test could settle that question.
In case the SCOTUS has any doubts.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:07 PM
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3. I bet if they were fetuses they would declare them persons in a heart beat.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:07 PM
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4. America! Where are you now.....
Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:08 PM
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5. The Obama administration had asked the court not to hear the case.
Actions, remember?
Never mind the BS promises..watch what they do, watch what happens.
Did justice happen?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:09 PM
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6. All right, a bookend piece to the Dred Scott decision
The defendants could not have reasonably known that detainees at Guantanamo had any constitutional rights. After all, they'd said so themselves! I'd like to see that tried in a lesser criminal case: "Your honor, I can't possibly be tried for bank robbery, because I decided that robbing banks wasn't against the law. Therefore, I could not have reasonably known that robbing banks would be held by this or any other court to be illegal."

Not guilty! You're free to go, with our apologies, Mr. Dillinger. See the bailiff on your way out for the return of your valuable property.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:11 PM
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7. The Rogue States of America....nt
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:13 PM
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8. The more things "change" the more they stay the same
the sad days for the US republic roll on.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:14 PM
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9. Christ, now I'm worried about who Obama might appoint
He is clearly a Clinton Republican, but in more rightist times.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:26 PM
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14. as far as i can tell, Clinton is a liberal dream compared to Obama.

and we haven't seen the worst yet - i'm referring to the pending "entitlement reform(s)".

The PTB must be very, very proud of Obama. :banghead:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 11:17 PM
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15. You're probably right
I'm still choking on NAFTA, welfare reform, and the Telecommunications Act. I can't let it go. And for his efforts, Clinton got nuked by the media and impeached by more radical corporatists.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:35 AM
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17. Times like this I really miss Billl.
Did he ever pull crap like this?

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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:20 PM
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10. detainees are not "persons", but corporations are.

Fascism, anyone?


:banghead:
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:22 PM
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11. '..."persons" did not apply to detainees at Guantanamo...'
....that's a little Hitleresque, isn't it?....please elaborate and tell us in your collective infinite wisdom, how many different categories of humans and sub-humans inhabit our planet?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:24 PM
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13. Who are you asking?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 10:22 PM
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12. No need to make stuff up.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:00 AM
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16. Like Dred Scott was adjudicated by the Supremes as "not a person"?
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 12:01 AM by no_hypocrisy
And let me get this straight:

A corporation is a person that can't get tortured, but Gitmo detainees aren't persons who can get tortured.
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