Does the Dem leadership realize they are destroying the future of the party?

[Kablooie]

I've never seen or felt such disgust towards Democrats from Democrats as now.

I've never heard so many people talk of leaving the party and many of these are solid base supporters.

Democrats with a majority in both houses and a popular Democratic president are less effective than a disgraced, minority GOP that sits and does nothing. The GOP are getting what they want, the total destruction of Democratic policies.

The Democrats seem to make a checklist of what the opposition wants and then says, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

It's sad how useless our government representatives have become. It seems that we have only two choices, accept Republican policies or nothing.

[90-percent]

1. I agree

I'm interested in joining independantsunderground.com, if such a thing exists. If there is a pro-corporate health insurance monopoly out of this "health care reform", it's Kucinich 2012 for me and he may be the last democrat I'll ever vote for in my lifetime.

-90% jimmy

[Schema Thing]

2. Is our Senators learning?

[Blue Owl]

3. Both the Republican and Democratic parties have been effectively hijacked

Big Pharma = no public option healthcare.

Big Military Industrial Complex = endless unwinnable wars that cost trillions.

Big Oil = no environmental cleanup.

Behind the scenes, it's these same corrupt players pulling the strings no matter who is in office.

[kestrel91316]

4. The DLC sure does - it's their reason for being.

[Pyrzqxgl]

5. So what we need to do is get a stronger Progressive caucus in both Houses.

I want to see a Progressive primary opponent with support to take down every God Damn Blue Dog
Democrat running in a primary. I want to see 65 or 70 Democratic Senators and enough of them
progressive so that Lieberman's vote doesn't mean shit. Losing seats to the Republicans is only
going to bring back what we had under Bush. We need to get off our asses and elect more progressives.
The job we started in 2008 isn't done yet.

[southernyankeebelle]

6. They don't seem to care what we all think. I have called both

Pelosi and Reid's offices and let them know in a clear voice that I would not be happy with a healthcare bill unless it says robust public option. All the yapping about everythingelse means nothing to me. No robust option, no money, and no voting for a democratic in my district unless the person is a true liberal. I have had enough of these blue dogs traitors. I could understand if the really felt it was about the budget but its not. Its about the lobbyist that are paying for the no votes. That is being a down right traitor.

[flyarm]

7. there are no two parties anymore..there is one party with one big money pot in the middle!

and you are not invited to their party!

it is all a dog and pony show..and those who fall for this shit deserve everything they get..or don't get!

It is why the powers have flooded the internet with propagandists to shove this shit down your throat!

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Remember Joe Lieberman was Obama’s Mentor in the Senate

By: fflambeau Monday December 14, 2009 10:05 pm

Those who are up in arms over Sen. Joe Lieberman’s "veto" of the extension of Medicare should remember this. When Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Washington, D.C. in 2005, he selected as his mentor none other than: Joe Lieberman.

Here’s David Sirota writing about this, after discussing Obama’s stab in the back of the progressive Lamont in Connecticut and his stab in the back of the progressive Christine Cegelis (Obama backed Duckworth) way back in 2006:

snip:

Other sources, including the Hartford Courant, reported that Obama chose Lieberman as his mentor.]

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/18929

[optimator]

8. they have backup jobs as lobbyists

so they win either way

[lame54]

9. But governing is sooooooooo hard

[Hidden Stillness]

10. Just Like During the 1920s--They Intend To

It is starting to seem chillingly as if the current era is a lot like the 1920s, when the stock market was roaring and much of the country was already in a Depression--farmers, much manufacturing, etc.--by unemployment, but nobody cared or responded to it. It was the last of the era--until now!--when the Federal Government felt that it had no obligation to the people at all, and only responded to large corporate interests. It was during the 1920s when an archconservative stock broker named John J. Raskob was actually the chair of the Democratic Party, as elite and conservative as the Republican, and who wrote an article for the Ladies Home Journal magazine, that "anyone not only can be rich but ought to be rich," and should invest in the stock market; which could have been written by Rahm Emanuel. Large corporations always welcome recessions and Depressions: costs are low, materials and employees (in that order, too) are cheap and plentiful, no one complains about anything but the worst abuses, and even then "you" can threaten to move the factory, etc. This is the same as now, when only the richest get any response.

The "leadership," who soon enough will have no followers and no jobs, do not even appear to realize that it is not "extreme liberals," and all their other jargon-replies, who are so furious, but the unemployed, sick with huge medical bills, foreclosed-on, etc., who are fed up. Like the 1920s rich cruelty that led to FDR, this (I hope) will, too; but it was not Hooverbama who was the big change--it will be whoever throws Obama and Corp. out, that will be the needed change.

[glitch]

12. IMO they* are hoping for a different result than another FDR this time, and Obama is the placeholder

until their new hero is ready to enter stage right.

Unlike us they* do learn their lessons from history.

*far right extremists, aka fascists

[glitch]

11. They are counting on bringing in all the disenfranchised republicans

their miscalculation is while quite a few are disgusted because of the rampant batshit, quite a different few are disgusted at the corporatism and corruption in their party.

They won't be attracted to the same in ours. I should know, these former republicans are in my family.

[BzaDem]

13. No, because they aren't.

The opposition really wants no bill. None. Not one dime, not one regulation, nothing. No help for poor people or those with pre-existing conditions.

The opposition is getting ignored, because the Democrats are about to enact the best policy that could possibly be supported by 60 votes.

If you want to leave the party, fine. Bye bye. You'll be back in time for Obama's re-election. Bank on it.

[yurbud]

14. that would be a good question to call and ask your rep and senators

[Faryn Balyncd]

15. K&R. Mandating purchase of overpriced insurance is not only a gift to Big Insurance, but to the GOP!