At this point in time I don't know how anyone can believe in politicians

[blues90]

They don't even come close to living in the same world most deal with.

Many have been sitting in some office for decades and what have they done for the average american worker other than to promise things just to keep their seat of luxury?

Do you actually think they are even aware you exist other than a number count consisting of the population?

They play the odd's at the peoples expense. They have a job and insurance and a pension for life many working class heros don't have either , many never will come close.

I don't view anyone of them as some idol of hero , many break the constitution and laws and get away with it without a fine where if you of I stole a candy bar we would be facing fines and jail time.

Just how do they get off acting like they are some higher power looking down their noses , taking all they can grab while we sit here looking for crumbs .

I did at one time long ago have some respect for a few of them but now they can all go F off.

One would think using all rational and common sense that if anyone of them took bribs or payoffs that should be their last day and go directly to jail but NO , they continue to live a life where one of them has more than thousands of the common people they use as a sidewalk .

They can take their health ins scam and cram it where the sun don't shine. They can take their high self centered profile and take it to hell.

Without the commom people they or the corporations they take handouts fro would not even exist.

They profit off the peoples backs and it's time we get them off our back for the free ride.

If I were religious like many of them claim to be I would worry every night that hell would be just one breath away.

The only thing they understand is expand and take without conscience and to get their hapless face on the cover of some cheap useless magazine, yet thay all shit and piss and eat and sleep and breath air just like anyone of the people they use and act like they are above it all.

It's the peoples white house and the peoples capital not theirs Don't let them forget it.

I can only imagine the slave labor that built these buildings they take for granted and then say it's the Obama or Bush white house , well it is NOT!

Every piece of historic furnature , every door or pane of glass was made by some nameless hard working american and we look up to them.

[babylonsister]

1. Do you ever post anything positive? I'd love to read it. I'll go look

through your journal if you have one (fyi, I don't).

[Hannah Bell]

3. isn't it ironic?

[blues90]

10. The hard reality and truth is not very positive now is it?

Name one american of any decade who was real and did not rail against the politicans and the powers that we allow to be. Name one who did not attempt to expose the truth or warn the people.

What do you consider positive these days after the entire history of this country being re-written to make it sound great?

What is positive about the wars we rage or the the theft we have done as a country and hope , no one gives you that , it either comes from within or it does not exist other than a fantasy or dream.

I hoped long ago that many of me friends would return home from vietnam alive and well , I hoped that all people would never see war again , I hoped that I would never see another person living on the street and now I see hope as it really is and positive is a state of denile until the day may come that we see this insanity end once and for all.

[babylonsister]

17. But all you find is the negative. Probably reading DU isn't helping you

at this point. But read this, and know this president, unlike the last, is attempting to right many wrongs that we experienced through the past 8 years. First off, he's trying to clean up the mess idiot son made. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. But at least his heart and his head are trying to do the right things. To me, that's something to embrace and not bemoan that nothing has ever been done or is or will be done right, til the end of time.

http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-obama-has-done-right-list-of-90.html

What Obama Has Done Right : The List of 90

[FrenchieCat]

19. yep.....

Some Folks at Democratic Underground want us deflated...
They also probably would rather we didn't vote in 2010!

That way they can "show" us,
and say...."told you so!"

That would make them right,
and we all know, that the overarching goal over anything else.

[AllentownJake]

30. Will you get over yourself

DU has 151,000 members, spread around the country. Of that, maybe 5000 people read a post. The most read post on GD right now has been read by 4409 people. That is barely enough to sway a City Council Race in 2010 let alone a congressional race, assuming everyone is deflated.

Step away from the keyboard and take a deep breath.

[blues90]

20. You know what I question why you or Frenchie even read or reply

To my posts, Really , what does that make you? Is there some magic force that compells you to chime in when it does seem you know damn well what my posts will most likey contain.

If you want to ride the hope train be my guest I have never come along trying to steer your posts to my way of seeing things.

Really I ask , what the hell have you seen become better over the decades that makes you think Obama has your back anymore than any other admim. Many have come and gone and left us worse off yet all most do here is look at GW , well he was just tip of what the people of this country are willing to take .They test the limits and Obama does the same thing.

It is not some admin that will affect the change we need it is the people and no pres has what it takes to do this change we need.

Heah , If you want to believe that go ahead and am not telling you what to do , I am, expressing my own opinion based on 6 decades of crap that gets deeper and deeper by the month.

So please if you feel the need to off set my personal opinion of reality go join those who see things as you do but leave me out of it.

Better yet come back when Obama has his term end and then tell me about all the change and hope if I'm still alive.

You have your opinion based on Obama from what , do you know him on a personal level? Or is this all based on the belief you need to see and hope for. And don't give me blog sites I see many and it's all based on someones idea and rules of their damn blog , it means nothing.

I have yet to see a group of "political" activists over the past 50 years who did not seek a position or a step toward a degree or education credits and an easy ride and I have been around many of them , each on the first day is asked to tell why they are joining and the story remains the same.

[FrenchieCat]

24. I didn't want Hannah Bell crapping in my thread either,

but like she told me, with my corrections

Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Sun Dec-27-09 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. i hadn't realized it was a private forum; i thought the point was discussion & debate, not mindless adulation criticism.

[RKP5637]

23. Like you, I think Obama has good ideas, but IMO he has too much stacked up

against him and he realized that after he became president and is now forced to "play the game" to at least get some things accomplished even if quite far from the best approach... And a lot of problems are with the democratic congress not a small number of whom are more akin to republicans, and then we also have the likes of Joe Lieberman.

[AllentownJake]

15. What is the obsession with positivity right now

If I want positivity I'll put in a Care Bears movie from the 80s.

[leftstreet]

26. It's part of the Teh Message Discipline

:crazy:

[AllentownJake]

28. It is the new talking point

I wonder if they had a thread about all us negative nellies in the bomb shelter and tried to pull a care bear stare at us all for the message discipline.



Not being hopeful blast the mother fucker :rofl:

[niyad]

2. k and r--I haven't believed anything any politician says in decades.

[emilyg]

9. raise your k/r - all

politicians lie. ALL. Don't trust them.

[blogslut]

4. Who are you addressing?

People have been hip to the nefarious ways of politicians since the birth of civilization.

[valerief]

5. Pols are agents for corporate persons. Corporate persons are owned by

humans who get regular organ transplants (like we get dental cleanings) from their slave body part groves and regenerate other body parts from their special stem cell reserves. They get to eat non-GMO food, too, and they live part of their lives in satellites orbiting the earth.

I'll bet I'm not too far off from the truth here.

[UrbScotty]

6. Especially the corporatist Dennis Kucinich

:sarcasm:

[amborin]

7. k&r

[HipChick]

8. did you just wake up from a coma or something?

[blues90]

12. No , wish I had . nt

[omega minimo]

29. what an awful thing to say

:rofl:

[NoPasaran]

11. This would be a good week to quit sniffing glue

[blues90]

13. You may know first hand all about that , I do not. nt

[rd_kent]

14. Preach it, Brother. A big K&R for you!

Truer words have not been spoken.

[HughMoran]

16. This is a new concept

Up until now, I believed everything politicians say.


:P

[FrenchieCat]

18. Some of them are aware, but perhaps you are not aware of what is being done.....

cause here at DU, most get stuck on one or two things and don't notice anything else!
Folks are that cynical and jaded!

"The Obameter Scorecard"

75 Promise Kept
20 Compromise
9 Promise Broken
45 Stalled
206 In the Works
158 Not yet rated
PolitiFact has compiled more than 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the campaign and is tracking their progress on our Obameter.

We rate their status as No Action, In the Works or Stalled. Once we find action is completed, we rate them Promise Kept, Compromise or Promise Broken.

The report card at right provides an up-to-the-minute tally of all the promises.

Other ways to browse the Obameter

All promises
PolitiFact's Top 25 Promises
By Subject
Economy
Energy
Military
Taxes

<more> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/


As such, there is a need to set the record straight. What most impresses me is the fact that Obama has accomplished so much not from a heavy-handed or top-down approach but from a style that has institutionalized efforts to reach across the aisle, encourage vigorous debate, and utilize town halls and panels of experts in the policy-making process. Beyond the accomplishments, the process is good for democracy and our democratic processes have been battered and bruised in recent years.
Let me know if I missed anything in the list (surely I did).
Robert

Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier's family
The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
Limits on lobbyist's access to the White House
Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
New federal funding for science and research labs
States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
New funds for school construction
The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
US Auto industry rescue plan
Housing rescue plan
$789 billion economic stimulus plan
The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
US financial and banking rescue plan
The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
Expanding vaccination programs
Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
Closed offshore tax safe havens
Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry's predatory practices
Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
Lower drug costs for seniors
Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
Improved housing for military personnel
Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
Increasing student loans
Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
Established a new cyber security office
Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
Improving benefits for veterans
Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
The FDA is now regulating tobacco
Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
Making more loans available to small businesses
Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
Held first Seder in White House
Attempting to reform the nation's healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
Has announced his intention to push for education reform
Oh, and he built a swing set for the girls outside the Oval Office!

by
Robert P. Watson, Ph.D.Coordinator of American Studies
Lynn University
http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/what-obama-has-done-right-list-of-90.html

[blues90]

25. Chime in when you see the end result of this OK!

I have seen lists for decades that have faded into memory that looked better than this. Yet today almost 2010 we are worse off and it was not just GW or Reagan.

I'll give you ONE example . In 1961 when I was in Jr High we had science expo's after school . GM stopped by and showed us a working car that ran on electric motors off solar power and were told in 10 "ten" years this is what we would be driving. I am still waiting so please spare me the blog lists of endless insane none sense. Been there, done that , got the union , Made in USA cotton T-shirt, so spare me the lists.

Let me know when we stop bombing countries to take their resource and creating the reason the terrorists exist in the first place. Tell me if it were not for oil we would even be talking about Iraq or Afghanistan or Iran. Tell me why we went to Vietnam and what we gained there.

You are so far off base that who's on third does not even exist anymore.

[Mojorabbit]

34. This was a big one that was broken....

Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN

To achieve health care reform, "I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies -- they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."

Sources: Town hall meeting on Aug. 21, 2008, in Chester, Va.

[RKP5637]

21. Hopefully one day Americans will vote in people at "all" levels of gov. by using their brains, not

emotions, and not falling for the propaganda. Much of the US citizenry is so damn clueless, lame and gullible when it comes to voting. Look at some in local office let alone congress...

[MercutioATC]

22. I'm with you, brother.

While people argue about which politicians are good or bad, they're ALL taking us to the cleaners...and laughing the entire time.

[leftstreet]

27. Politicians aren't deities. People shouldn't 'believe' in any of them

When people move from critical analysis to 'faith' we get the fucked up pols we deserve.

[Mari333]

31. knr

[Odin2005]

32. It took you that long to realize that?

[Blue_In_AK]

33. I'm pretty cynical, too.

My motto is "expect the worst and you won't be disappointed." I actually stay fairly optimistic thinking that way.