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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:00 AM
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Poll question: What Is The Highest Level Of Education You Attained?
I included all levels for Freepers and other assorted right wingers with DU accounts
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:03 AM
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1. I'm 65 and still learning.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:06 AM
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2. Grade 50+
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:06 AM
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3. B.S. (how apropros) and I've finally hauled my butt back to school to work on a master's




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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:11 AM
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6. Good on you!
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:08 AM
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4. Almost two years of tech school after high school, formal education-wise.
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:11 AM
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5. Formal education: Master's degree
But I'm still alive, so I haven't "finished" my education. Looking forward to lots more learnin'.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:12 AM
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7. The OP would be better with the word 'schooling'. nt
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:36 AM
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23. I agree. Schooling and education are two very different things.
Thanks for the reminder.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:16 AM
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8. I Get Up Each Morning Thinking I Will Learn Something NEW Each Day...
And you know what, I generally do. But I have spent many years in school, but never finished anything past high school! Got married, had kids and didn't go back! I don't really regret it, BUT there are times!

Still learning though, and that's a philosophy I want to always keep on the front burner!

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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:32 AM
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12. You'd be surprised at how much you know when/if you go back. It's hard, I know cuz I did it.
But instead of feeling insecure in the classroom with MUCH younger people, I felt just fine! I had learned a lot over the years and it served me well. Some of it was hard, I'll admit, but even that was such an accomplishment I was thrilled. I actually overcame a mental block I had on math and made an A in a required algebra course (oh, how I wish I could have wiggled out of that requirement!).

I did an accelerated degree program at a local small liberal arts college. It was great. 8 week courses, weekend courses and weeklong courses in the summer, each with 3 college credits apiece helped put it all together. Those ADP courses are for you if you want to get the degree as fast as you can!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:35 PM
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45. Many Times I've Thought About It, Just to DO IT!! I Don't Think I Would Mind
the younger kids, I like to "think young" most of the time! My taste in music would tell it all! My favorite singer "mostly" is Jackson Browne, but LOVE so much of the new stuff! I also love a lot of the newer dancing crazes, like street dancing, krumping etc. I bought both Step Up DVD's and have watched them quite a few times! And I did something I never thought I would do. For the last two seasons I watched "So You Think You Can Dance" and am amazed at what some bodies can do!! Never got caught up in any other series of that type, but dancing is GREAT!

Plus the college campuses were always so "neat!" So MUCH going on and you get caught up in the whole scene. Still, I think I want to do save some money to travel all around the U.S.A. when the time comes! Especially want to see Oregon, don't know why, just picked that state a couple of years back as one I wanted on the agenda!

When I'll travel is up in the air for now, but SOME DAY, and I will still learn a lot from that too! But good on you for going back!
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:22 AM
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9. 61, damn near 62 years
Why do you want to know?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:29 AM
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11. Experience is like
Life giving you a comb after you are bald

At nearly 60 this coming year, and still somewhat a head of hair,
I count and experience each day more aware of what they mean

that my graduate degrees never adressed
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:42 AM
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14. Speaking of heads of hair
I still have all of mine, sorta going gray mind you but still have all of it. I asked my wife the other day if maybe I couldn't sell my scalp to some rich bastid for a ton of money and me take his, as I've always looked forward to the day I'd be bald and gray. she just laughed as she usually does to my hair brained ideas anyway.

I bet trump would love it :rofl: right color and everything
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:28 AM
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10. Late sixties, I went back for my B.A. at age 55. Went back for M.A.
at age 58. I loved every minute. I wish I could do my Masters in Liberal Studies again, only with a new set of varied subjects.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:33 AM
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13. I was pretty hopped up on caffeine in the mornings...
...especially that semester I took Thermodynamics.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:51 AM
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15. Ph.D.
somedays I want to go back and get my M.D., but I have so little energy anymore that I think I'll just have to be satisfied with being a "fake doctor", as my relatives term it.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:59 AM
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18. That's funny! My professor goes on daily rants that MD's are fake doctors because
"doctor" is supposed to be a research degree as opposed to a professional degree

PhDs and MDs should go at it with bottles and chains.

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:03 AM
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19. my family was upset when they found I couldn't dole out oxycontin
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:09 PM
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50. Aren't families wonderful?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:01 AM
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64. Ain't that the truth. I got a PhD at age 54 and Mom hated my dissertation...
It was seriously painful. So many relatives and friends of the family kept saying how proud she must be of me that I started trying to make a joke out of it, hoping they'd shut up and spare me further explanation: "Well, she never really was satisfied with anything I did in life, and now she's reached the pinnacle of not being satisfied!" Aside from one uncle who became a professor, I'm the only PhD in the family -- oh, and when I finally realized mom thought I was going to start a university career at my age, I had to break it to her that I got no pleasure out of contemplating that path and had other ideas for the rest of my life.

Thank the Goddess for my husband. It was he who sent me back to grad school the week I turned 47 and cheered me all the way along, he who helped me take my piles of chapters and put them in order on the kitchen table the week my Advisor sent me the message: "Submit the completed draft NOW!", he who listened to me practice my speech for my orals, and he who laughed heartily when it was all over and I did a bad Groucho Marx impersonation: "Trust me. I'm a doctor." :hug:

Hekate

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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:01 AM
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77. What a wonderful husband you have, Hekate,
that's unconditional love. Truly a beautiful thing.

What was it about your dissertation that had mom hating it?

Happy New Year!

:hi:
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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:58 PM
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59. hehe
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:42 AM
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63. Is your daddy named Rush?
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:56 AM
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16. Miss Crump gave me a special degree for achievement
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:24 AM
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22. self-deleted
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 10:25 AM by Gidney N Cloyd
(I got the Ernest T. reference but confused the episode in my reply)
:-)
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:59 AM
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17. Bachelors, Masters, and a JD...
...school was always easy for me. Life is what has been hard!
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:51 AM
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27. I'm just the opposite.
I did well in college (3.96 GPA), but I wouldn't call it "easy" because, while I probably could have coasted along with Bs without too much effort, in my mind there are only two grades: A and failure. I don't know why I impose that kind of perfectionism on myself, but it's hard to let go of.

I much prefer being out in the working world now. I've gone back to evening school for language classes (Spanish, French, even one course in Arabic just before taking a trip to Egypt and Libya), but even one class per semester at night seems to suck up a lot of my free time and gets me uncomfortably stressed.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:16 AM
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28. Yeah, I know what you mean about grades.
In undergrad school, the University of Calif had a system where one could earn over a 4.0 in a class. In my senior year, I actually carried better than a 4.0 average. I was a bit driven...had not only to get an A, but to get the highest grad in the class. Frankly that was not that hard. I would scope out what the prof had published and then clone myself after him/her...and voila...an A. One of these guys actually wrote on one of my papers that I did a better job on the subject that he could have done. School was never hard because I figured out most of the tricks to get what I wanted.

And languages??? WOW...do you ever have a talent for that! I hear you about not enough time in the day...it seems like I never have the time to do everything I want to do.

PS: HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:15 AM
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20. Pie
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:24 AM
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21. Nine years of college and three degrees and two certifications
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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:37 AM
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24. Everything I've needed to know I learned in kindergarden
:+
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:40 AM
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25. High school drop-out pothead weirdo musician
My only regret came upon taking the G.E.D. test a few yrs after, and realizing that since I aced each subject I could've simply gone that route in the 9th grade and called it done, rather than trying to keep up on the occasional obligatory appearance through junior yr.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:05 PM
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37. You too?
I dropped out of high school because I got pregnant the summer between 11th and 12th grade, but I also absolutely aced my GED when I took it several years after that, without studying whatsoever. The director of the program told me I could get into any college in the country with my grades. I walked away thinking I could have dropped out in 9th grade and done just fine, too. :hi:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:26 PM
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42. Most of the essential learning in school is actually conditioning: jump when the bell rings
Plus we moved a lot when I was a kid, and so after several rounds of being the new kid, it was easy to 'slip through the cracks,' where was precisely where I wanted to be re school lol ... I was pretty much all about Fuck You back then. Did not play well with others, and most of my friends were older and done w/school. I was working 3rd shift when I quit, and soon got into playing drums in heavy metal bar bands. Hadn't any need for schools, and have never regretted that decision ...ya know the way the stereotype is supposed to pan out in favor of the status quo lol...you're supposed to lament that awful choice, and WANT to bust your hump in school as an adult, in order to "better yourself." ;) Fuck that shit. I wear my hair nearly waist-length, full beard, lots of tatts, have never compromised anything to do work to secure a paycheck. From what I gather, there are many people who'd love to 'simplify' their lives, and the only thing preventing them is that BS propaganda that they swallowed while growing up ...the 'structured/disciplined' shit that the Corp culture wants everyone to be BUSYBUSYBUSY with ha...

Take care :hi:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:23 AM
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67. If I knew then what I know now I would have let my daughter take her GED in 9th grade too...
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 02:24 AM by Hekate
I had no idea how very unhappy she was. She ended up dropping out in 10th grade and taking her GED around 17. Also got pregnant at that age but miscarried. She really had a rough adolescence.

In her mid-20s she decided to start taking online classes at community college and discovered she could ace those, which I think was a boost to her self-esteem because she had blown high school. She always worked from the time she was a teen, and got some good jobs over time.

Now she's 34, has a 5 y.o. boy and a week-old girl, owns and operates a really fine pre-school, and is doing very well indeed.

As I say, if I had known then what I know now, things might have been different for both of us.

Hekate

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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:21 PM
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86. I found college to be infinitely easier than high school.
Because A) I mostly got to take classes I was interested in, not forced into classes I couldn't care and about, and B) even when I had to take required classes, they only lasted about 4 months, not 9, and I can put up with anything for four months!

Congratulations on your new grandchild! I don't know why I had it in my head you were about 34 yourself. Must be your perennially youthful spirit shining across the board! :pals:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 07:15 PM
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87. That's how grad school was for me. I was always a spotty student...
... with A's in English and history, and C's or occasionally worse in science, math, and foreign languages. Drove my mother apeshit, because in her world, academic attainment was the be-all and end-all of existence. It was that way through high school and all the way to my BA.

Then I applied to grad school in English and discovered that *everything* was my favorite subject. :think: Except for that pesky "foreign language proficiency" requirement for the MA. :-( I dropped out due to fatigue and lack of money, but truthfully that one requirement would have been a substantial barrier.

A few decades later I entered grad school again in a new program so wonderful I didn't even stop to think about the language requirement. I must have been in Mythological Studies for a year when I realized -- no foreign language req at all! :think: Times had changed. I just researched in English and wrote (and wrote, and wrote) in English. Finished my MA. Was invited to continue to the PhD, and finished that. Worked very very hard, but the joy was there--and once again I discovered what it was like when everything was my 'favorite' subject.

As for what else you said ...
Awww, thank you... :blush:

Happy new year, intheflow. :toast:

Hekate

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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:46 AM
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84. I dropped out in the 11th grade
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 09:59 AM by NikolaC
and got my GED a few months later. I have since gotten a certificate in Bookkeeping from a year long night time course at a local college and a certificate in Canadian payroll from a course I took when I was lived there. My plan is to start school at a local college campus this summer and work towards my goal of finally getting my Accounting degree. In the past, whenever the opportunity to go to college came up, I would feel very intimidated or circumstances in my life prevented me from finally taking the chance. However, I will be turning 40 later this year and have had a very hard time getting any employer or recruiter to take me seriously over the last year because now a lot of the positions that I am applying for (Accounts Payable or Accounting Assistant) require an Accounting degree. While I have done the work for years, know what I am doing and have really good references, unfortunately that is no longer good enough in this job market.

Edited to add: I envy you your view :-). My first husband was one of the smartest people that I ever met. He was a big, burly guy who had long hair and lots of tatts, some he did himself. He also had his GED and taught himself how to program using different computer programming languages. He was so good at it that he used to write articles about languages like Delphi. He was also very good with languages and could speak Spanish fluently and some Italian. He was a free spirit in the truest sense of the word and never did he feel the need or desire to go to college. He felt that it would be the wrong move for him. Your later post reminded me a bit of him and the way that he saw things.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 10:41 AM
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26. So far I'd guess there's a substantial self-selection bias in this poll
Not that I don't think DUers are likely to be a more educated than the average lot, but around 50% with graduate degrees?

Really?

Apart from the occasional evening school class that I've taken just for fun, I ended my college education at a Bachelors degree in Computer Science. I did well in college (I graduated summa cum laude) so I'm the kind of person a lot of other people would consider a gung-ho academic, but college was very stressful for me because of my own self-imposed perfectionism. I was relieved to finish and I have a hard time now seeing a Masters degree as being worth the stress.

In my profession an advanced degree seems pretty pointless anyway. While there are some jobs in software engineering where having a Masters or PhD will impress a prospective employer, perhaps get you into a higher pay scale, that doesn't seem very common, certainly not at the companies I've worked for. Real-world experience is generally the most important thing.

A friend who got a Bachelors along with me went back to school a few years after graduating for his Masters. He told me he didn't learn anything new, that a lot of the coursework he did covered much of the same ground we both had already been through before in our Bachelors degree program. The Masters degree certainly didn't help his earnings -- I currently make a good bit more than he does.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:35 PM
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54. Yes, I think there IS self selection in this poll. Damn right. I am proud of my
achievement of getting a Masters in my 60s...I used to call myself "the world's oldest grad student." I loved it! But it wasn't for career advancement, it was really for enrichment. The profs loved teaching Liberal Studies cuz they got to do things that weren't same old, same old. We had poliSci, history, religion, philosophy, art, music, econ, literature...it was wonderful.

And it really didn't matter professionally since I was in nonprofit Development (fundraising). It was helpful to be able to talk about art, music, literature etc to rich donors but that and keeping an open mind to learn even with an old brain was pretty helpful!

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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:53 PM
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58. There are plenty of things I'd love to go back to school to learn.
I just don't think I'd bother trying to get any new degrees. I've taken a number of language classes since leaving college, but each was just on an ad hoc basis. I haven't become fluent in any other languages yet. Even so, I simply enjoy knowing more about other languages, being able to read a bit here and there. I've done things on my own like learning the Cyrillic alphabet so I can at least stumble my way through pronouncing words in Russian.

An eight week course in Arabic was barely enough to learn the alphabet, to struggle with some sounds that are really hard for English speaking people (and most everyone non-Arabic) to make, and learn a few simple phrases. Even that little bit of knowledge made a following trip to Egypt and Libya a lot more enjoyable.

I often think that some day when I can find the time, and the academic work load won't stress me out when added to my regular work routine, that I'd like to study more American and world history. One of my favorite electives in college was a course on Chinese history that I took. It's sad how much of that information has faded from my mind over 20 years, but still, I'm glad to have studied the subject.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 03:23 PM
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61. It's funny, I'm retired now but I got my Master's while working at an extremely stressful job.
It actually helped me to have that one evening a week where I could just lose myself in a study area...it took me away for a couple of hours and that was good.

Getting the degree was due to my own ego. I wanted to prove I could achieve highly and I did, graduating with Honors. It meant a lot to me but I admit it was my own ego!

I, too, have taken language as a noncredit subject. This was after getting my Masters so I really didn't need to get an undergrad college credit! I just took the quizzes so I could see how I was doing but not finals. In CT if you are 62 or over you can take undergrad courses at state and community colleges for free (if they have space) altho you have to shell out for the textbook. I took Italian I and II as I was going on trips to Italy and Sicily at the time.

Good for you studying languages with other alphabets! I am a Literacy Volunteer teaching ESOL and I give the students a lot of credit, esp. those who have to learn an entirely new alphabet...
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:35 AM
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69. Of course there's self-selection: We are the DUers with nothing better to do on New Year's Eve!
We might be the older ones or whatever -- I'm 62 and nursing a cold with cough, so going out doesn't appeal. Mr. H and I are going to a NY Day brunch tomorrow morning, though. We're not really asocial.

Regardless, for most of the time I've been here at DU I have had the impression that whatever the academic degree or lack thereof a poster may have, the individual level of knowledge/experience is pretty high around here, as is the ability to express a thought.

Sadly, that has changed somewhat this past year, as we have been inundated with disruptors, trolls, and newbies who seem not so much looking for a place to share ideas as simply unclear on the concept of what DU is all about.

Hekate

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 07:19 PM
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88. Pff. Yeah. 50% of DUers have graduate degrees?
I'm willing to believe that 50% of DUers have degrees and graduated. From something.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:18 AM
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29. College degree (nt)
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:19 AM
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30. 2 year degree
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:28 AM
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31. Was a freshman in 1968 and got my degree
in 2000. That first year I was a 2.4 student. Years later I graduated Magnum cum Laude. Now I'm enrolled this winter term for a tech. certification. Like Palin this is my 5th college. Those damn freshmen look younger and younger every year.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:33 AM
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32. " I included all levels for Freepers and other assorted right wingers with DU accounts"
How sensitive of you.

I have no higher than a 9th grade education. I obtained a GED after years of unsuccessfully trying to balance very adult level pressures at home and the banal concerns of teenage life.

Thanks for encouraging those of us with unfortunate life circumstances to feel welcome and accepted here.

So glad to know that "we" are the good guys. :eyes:
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:33 AM
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68. Fed
You dropped out of school when you were, like, 14?
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 11:13 AM
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89. It is a long story.
Edited on Sat Jan-02-10 11:14 AM by FedUpWithIt All
I didn't drop out until i was early 17. After this i was able to complete my GED within a few weeks.

I never advanced past the 9th grade because i was rarely actually in school. We had a LOT going on at home. My teachers and principal were kind and tried to allow me to have a refuge, of sorts, at school even though nobody held out much hope that my time there would be successful. Excessive absences were "overlooked". My schedules were formed with safe haven in mind as i was assigned to mostly study halls each year. My limited participation was largely passed by and certainly not punished in the typical way.

While incredibly grateful for the concern, i still have mixed feelings about the way the adults in my life chose to handle things. I sometimes wonder what might have been if they would have allowed the pieces of my life, at that time, to fall where they may. This mostly happens when i am made to feel "less than" because of my lack of formal education. I am aware, because of the success i would have at school during times in "foster care", that i might have been able to have a successful education if i had been able to live somewhere stable. The problem is that the only stable place i knew before adulthood and for many years after was a "receiving home" and not really a home at all. My brothers, placed in less institutional foster care did not fare as well. Perhaps, the adults from school who tried to protect me in their unconventional ways, sensed how few options there actually were.

When i am made, even inadvertently, to feel low I eventually realize some truths. I am certainly not educated but I am extremely happy, healthy and now free from the stresses that i endured as an adolescent. I have a great respect for the simpler things in life and the peace and joy that they bring. I also have a greater understanding of the "underdog" and i appreciate that there is a different type of knowledge and learning which also has the power to make the world a better place. I suspect that knowledge of these things would not have been possible if certain people had not made such an effort on my behalf. The knowledge that people cared during such a difficult time helped me rise above some of the patterns one often expects to see in children from tattered homes.

It is unfortunate that a great many "smart people" on this forum do not know many of the things that my own lack of education has taught me.

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:52 AM
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70. Pay no attention to careless mis-speaking. As I said in another post, my impression over the years
... here is that the average DUer has depth and breadth of knowledge and experience, and an ability to express a thought well, regardless of letters or lack thereof after their name. If there's anything I have managed to learn in my adult life, it is that contrary to what was pounded into my head by my mother, academic attainment is not the be-all and end-all of existence. It just is not. Pay no attention to someone who was momentarily thoughtless and careless, and who possibly has not yet learned that for themselves.

We all self-selected into DU and chose to stay. :hug:

Hekate

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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 11:23 AM
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90. Thank you Hekate
:hug:

I appreciate your kindness.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:11 AM
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82. +1
This place is so fucking snobby sometimes.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:42 AM
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33. i got a b.s. degree from the school of hard knocks...
and i did it in less than 50 years.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 11:58 AM
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34. Two Masters Degrees, the second earned at the tender age of 56.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:01 PM
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35. You forgot associates degree, as well as "unfinished college"
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:03 PM
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36. +1
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:41 PM
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46. I Kind Of Added "Unfinished College" In My Post! n/t
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:55 PM
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47. Yes I put "college" although I only have an AS
In liberal studies of course LOL
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:54 AM
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72. Many associates degrees will get you a good job a lot faster than most B.A.s will!
My own family is a testament to that range of experience.

Hekate

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:06 PM
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38. Back to school to get my degree
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:14 PM
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39. double maj degreed
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:20 PM
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40. I went to college after graduating high school in 1970
because back then if you had any brains that is what you did. Also, since my dad was a 100% disabled vet I went to college on the GI Bill and so I was a professional student. To top it off, being in college during the Vietnam war seemed like a good idea. Ultimately I was in the 2nd draft lottery and my number was 258 so I was a winner there.

I graduated in 1975 and have never had a job that required a college degree. About 17 years ago I went back to college for Medical Records but quit after the first year because I simply didn't like it (although I had a 4.0). I can confidently say I will never go back to school again.

Finally, level of education does not necessarily reflect intelligence. But considering education level alone I am sure we have many good Democrats who may only have gone to grade school or middle school or only finished high school. By the same token I am sure there are Republicans who have higher educational degrees than many of us here at DU and they may be more intelligent than many of us. So I don't understand trying to make a correlation between education and political party and by inference, intelligence.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:02 PM
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48. Your Comment About Extra Education Makes Me Laugh! My Husband Is
always saying... you may be smart but you lack "common sense!" Of course THAT IS NOT TRUE, he's just trying to compensate for his dropping out of school! It's a running joke in our house because while he runs to Home Depot for books on "how to" I can figure out ways to fix something just as well, and it costs less! But I drive my family crazy when I see misspelled words, or using the wrong verb etc. I have OCD, and I DO have my share of mistakes too, but I blame them on typing too fast! Got it covered, and I'm a hypocrite that way! :eyes: :crazy:

But he IS A JACK OF ALL TRADES, and our home is the "go to home" in the neighborhood when something needs fixed! Word of mouth has traveled all over and we get overrun with work from other people! I think my husband must have EVERY tool you can have! One day I looked outside and saw this big truck unloading a "lathe" and didn't have a clue what he wanted it for! Another toy, but he does use it!

He's not SO GOOD about budgeting though! In fact I didn't know about the lathe until it arrived! I was upset, 'er very upset... this isn't a small purchase! Felt like going out and getting new furniture, but couldn't afford it!

Just thought I would add that on... because "SKOOLING" ain't all there is! Now there's a screwed up usage of words, but intentional!

The school of hard knocks gets you a long way too!

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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:23 PM
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41. Some post bacc work
I've worked on ESL and Tech writing training in my post B.A. life, but not a degree ... yet. I took courses without applying to the programs, because I felt unsure of myself. Mostly my job. But I've come to realize that if I want more alphabets after my name, then I just need to go for it and figure out how to make a living around it.

I'm looking forward to applying to a Masters program for the first time ever this spring... hope to start in the fall if I get accepted.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:30 PM
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43. Graduate and post graduate. n/t
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:32 PM
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44. Scattered academic credentials
I earned an A.S. in biology in 1982, and B.A. in biology and chemistry in 1984, an M.S. in biology in 1991 and an M.S. in environmental engineering in 1995. But I would say that 90% of the education I actually used was part of my A.S. degree, which came from Modesto Junior College in California, where the instructors focused on students rather than research.

The most interesting and intelligent person I've ever had the pleasure of knowing was a homeless man named Dave, who lived under the Glenn Highway bridge in Eagle River, Alaska. He considered himself a Stoic and Cynic (in the original sense). He walked into town every morning for a cup of coffee at the local coffee roaster, where I would often meet and talk to him while walking my dog. He spent his days in the public library. He told me he had had his fill of the system when, during the PATCO strike, he lost his job as an air traffic controller, an he had been "a man of independent means" ever since. He disappeared last winter, and I found his camp abandoned and his tent in tatters. I've not been able to find out what happened to him.

I, too, distinguish between education and learning. I've been wanting to start a PhD program in history, but I'm hesitating because the structure and demand to specialize for purposes of writing a dissertation would severely compromise my learning time and pattern.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:04 PM
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49. Stoner.
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 01:05 PM by Gregorian
I've got several degrees. But stoner is the one I'm proud of. Calculus is over rated.


I apologize to Newton and Liebnitz. Calculus is actually very cool.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:47 PM
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51. I suspect there is a fair amount of career specific ed out there as well.
Something I have come to realize over the years is that there are a lot of folks like me that got the basic degree then went back for some sort of specialized education for specific jobs. I am a Licensed Real Estate Appraiser as well as a Certified Illinois Assessing Officer. Those both carried specific ed requirements, regular continuing ed requirements, and advanced certifications.

Lawyers have JDs, there are CPAs, and there are Doctors of various types. I have to wonder how many other folks are out there like me with additional ed that is job specific.

:shrug:


Laura
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:23 PM
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52. .
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:25 PM
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53. Damn egghead liberal intellectuals...
You wouldn't see those Tea Party Americans wasting their time in College...
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:43 PM
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56. "Never underestimate the cowardice and servitude of intellectuals" - Noam Chomsky
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:42 PM
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55. Perhaps you should change it to "formal education".
I believe in the old saying, "you learn something new everyday."
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:45 PM
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57. I chose college as I have an Associates Degree.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:59 PM
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60. [TAG] - this thread has been tagged as example of bourgeios underground in action.
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 03:01 PM by Political Heretic
Tagged for future reference.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:37 AM
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62. Freepers? I thought they were home-schooled.
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 01:38 AM by eppur_se_muova
And you need an option for "I'm not educated, I went to a fundamentalist school".
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:06 AM
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65. graduating in the spring
FINALLY!!

I'd love to go back for grad school too. I'm going to miss it and the ahem three decades it has taken me to finish! (hey I was working and raising a kid.)
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:16 AM
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66. I got a BA... but without an internship or connections... I'm left to work blue collar jobs...
Oops, my un-college educated single mom didn't communicate to me the importance of unpaid internships... and somehow that oversight seems to have eliminated me from consideration for corporate work forevermore.

Probably just as well. Teamsters, taxi drivers, and chauffeurs are often more entertaining in their cynicism.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:54 AM
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71. Does "some college" count as college?
No degree sadly, but a lot of really useful information.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:03 AM
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73. well we are certainly a represenative cross-section of society!
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 05:02 AM
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74. This is an educated bunch
Or there is a lot of social desirability bias going on.
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gopwacker_455 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 05:19 AM
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75. college
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 05:47 AM
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76. I got a B.J. at the University of Missouri
Bachelor of Journalism. Get your minds out of the gutter. (Although there was this one Chi Omega...)

I also earned a J.D. from The USC -- University of South Carolina -- in the days when it cost less to go to school for a semester than it does to buy textbooks today.

In the end, however, it's "not who you know but who you blow," so I guess my Mizzou degree was relevant after all.
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Black-Eyed Susan Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:53 AM
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78. Travel
on a low budget and paying attention to elders and strangers.

Much more wisdom gleaned from that manner of "education" than could ever be had from institutional indoctrination.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 07:22 AM
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79. I voted, and then wished I hadn't, because of the snobbery in your OP.
I didn't see it until after I voted.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:01 AM
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80. I'm a sixth grade graduate..
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:09 AM
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81. What do you mean all levels.
Edited on Fri Jan-01-10 09:34 AM by asdjrocky
In my experience the level of education one attains is rarely if ever a fair indicator of their knowledge, political or otherwise.

By the way, I had to drop out of high school to go to work. Does that automatically make me a freeper? My Father dropped out in the eight grade because it was the Depression, and he had to go to work. I guess he must have been a real fool.

Your post comes off really snobby.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:19 AM
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83. Mostly I'm a graduate of the school of hard knocks.
I did make it through the Vermont State Police Academy though. I was rather proud of that given I was an older woman (for the job - 35 at the time) and kind of small (5'1", 115 lbs. - at the time .:rofl: ).
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 09:49 AM
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85. Other.
Cosmic Consciousness.
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