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Mon Jan-18-10 10:43 PM
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How did Coakley drop 20 points in one week? |
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Mon Jan-18-10 10:44 PM
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These fuckers can do anything...
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:24 AM
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26. the diebold fix is in, baby. The msm is just making it "acceptable" so there is no uproar. nt |
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Mon Jan-18-10 10:45 PM
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2. Brown got Media Momentum...... |
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Something about Baseball, and it being a man's world or something.
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Mon Jan-18-10 10:46 PM
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3. can't piss off the RedSox fans if you want their vote... |
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Mon Jan-18-10 10:51 PM
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Mon Jan-18-10 10:52 PM
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8. Guess baseball rules......and will make the world a better place, for sure! |
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:00 AM
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19. Don't mess with RedSox Nation... |
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:02 AM
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20. The comment combined with spelling 'Massachusetts' wrong to make her seem ignorant of things Mass. |
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:06 AM
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23. Among other things, that's correct. |
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I don't know how much coverage it got in MA, but this is the classic "doesn't know how much a gallon of milk costs" mistake.
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:06 AM
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:23 AM
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30. That plus dozen other things made her look out of touch/clueless. |
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Messing up which team the player played for. Mispelling name of the state you are running in. Taking extended vacation instead of campaigning. Very lackluster campaign.
All put together starts to create a perception that she is just taking it for granted, doesn't even really know or connect with the voters.
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Mon Jan-18-10 10:48 PM
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Mon Jan-18-10 10:50 PM
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Mon Jan-18-10 10:52 PM
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9. and a lack of media scrutiny of them...... |
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Mon Jan-18-10 10:54 PM
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10. It's a conspiracy. The Truthers will explain it to us soon. |
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Mon Jan-18-10 10:58 PM
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11. Her staff spelled 'Massachusetts' incorrectly and she said stupid things about the Sox. nt |
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Tue Jan-19-10 12:39 AM
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16. She din't put much into her campaign. |
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Mon Jan-18-10 11:06 PM
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doled out by people like Rupert Murdoch so desperate for a victory.
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Mon Jan-18-10 11:09 PM
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13. It is called "polling". |
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At first we had advertisements, the public got wise. Then, the corps went to PR firms, ditto. Now, the corps have moved to product placement on cable news shows.
The same with polling. We have progressed from polling to push polling and now, I don't know what to call it, but a form of polling that is controlled by companies to produce a set outcome.
With the data base on the American public so large, they can give the pollsters a list of phone numbers of handpicked samplees.
Husband and I are called 2-3 times a month (in a country of 300+million). The pollster either asks for the youngest male in the household or the youngest female (we are both older than dirt and the only two in the household). If they ask for the youngest female, they are looking for a liberal response, the youngest male, a conservative response. Any question not answered as predicted fall into the 'margin of error'.
It is a simple set up to produce a set result to get the uninformed to go with the flow.
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:03 AM
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21. :Pollsters didn't spell 'Massachusetts' wrong or show ingnorance of the Red Sox. nt |
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:14 AM
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29. Those types of gaffes do not justify a 20+ point shift in just one week! |
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It's not as if Brown hasn't had gaffes of his own. They just don't get nearly as much attention
This is blatent media manipulation. Instead of merely reporting the news, they are quite obviously trying to influence public opinion to produce a desired result.
What are the Democrats to do? If they declare war on the media, the situatiuon will only get worse.
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:33 AM
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34. It wasn't a one week shift |
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It was more like two months.
The problem was that there weren't really any polls published during that time (early November to early January) except one poll near the end of that period showing her up by 17 points.
What doesn't make sense is that SHE didn't appear to see it coming. Surely the DNC or the candidate would run INTERNAL polls that should have kicked her into gear?
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:34 AM
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35. The two gaffs suggest an ignorance of things in Massachusetts. nt |
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:24 AM
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31. So how do you explain PPP showing her dropping 20 points. |
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The Democrats want her to lose?
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Tue Jan-19-10 11:15 AM
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38. Or energize her campaign. Even Obama got motivated. |
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One manipulative tool follows another.
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Mon Jan-18-10 11:20 PM
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14. It's called a lying, manipulating press, spin it to fit the phoney vote machine numbers! |
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Tue Jan-19-10 12:41 AM
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17. Creating reality, as Rove put it, iirc. |
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Mon Jan-18-10 11:59 PM
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15. kick for more responses |
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Tue Jan-19-10 01:32 AM
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18. 1 right wing poll with mythical numbers, magnified over the media for hours and hours |
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and days & days.. self fulfilling prophetical propaganda
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:04 AM
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Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 09:04 AM by FBaggins
The first poll out which showed her in real danger was a Democratic polling firm (PPP).
Other than the Rasmussen numbers (which at the time showed her UP by 9), nobody else even STARTED a SAMPLE that showed her in trouble until after that PPP poll was released.
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:26 AM
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33. PPP is Democratic polling organization. |
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:08 AM
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25. Media and democrats whining when she was at + 10 told GOPers that they could win. |
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This got the RWers out of the wood while the other side got in hiding.
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:44 AM
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27. So, so far, the consensus is this has nothing to do with policies |
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It seems to be either:
Opinion polls are fixed, and the real polls probably will be too
or:
She made a couple of gaffes not to do with policy, or politics for that matter, and the MA electorate thinks that's enough for a 20% swing
Either is rather a depressing outlook.
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Tue Jan-19-10 09:56 AM
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28. That's the wishful thinking consensus, yes |
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If the exit polls look anything like the internals for the latest polls, we'll be lucky if that spin sticks.
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Tue Jan-19-10 01:27 PM
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45. BBC radio reports on it point to a claim by Brown to want to stop "behind-the-scenes" negotiations |
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They asked 2 voters why they were voting Republican, and that's what they said; then an interview with Brown had him saying the same thing. He seems to have managed to paint himself as an 'honest, open' politician.
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:25 AM
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32. i blame the progressives at DU. |
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:38 AM
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36. Why not? Everybody else does! ;-) (NT) |
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Tue Jan-19-10 12:15 PM
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44. Yep, we did it. Let the blame-fest begin... n/t |
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Tue Jan-19-10 10:41 AM
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37. Maybe the negitive ads were turning people off ? i don't know |
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Tue Jan-19-10 11:19 AM
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39. Just shows the polls are not as accurate in smaller states |
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There's another example in the Dem. primary in NH.
They are all over the place. Maybe an off year special election near the holidays is not as poll-able as standard elections.
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Tue Jan-19-10 12:03 PM
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apparently American's are more concerned with their politicians knowing more about local sports vs the law.
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Tue Jan-19-10 12:04 PM
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41. The debate sank her. n/t |
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Tue Jan-19-10 12:11 PM
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42. She was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign but |
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the good news is that Brown will be out in 2012 and we won't be stuck with her for six.
Not exactly a win/win, but things could be worse. His term could be a lot longer.
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Tue Jan-19-10 12:12 PM
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43. She doesn't like campaigning. |
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And the other side is still pissed about Obama.
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