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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:48 PM
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Rahm Emanuel regarding AG Holder: “Didn’t he get the memo that we’re not re-litigating the past?”

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/02/15/100215fa_fact_mayer

The Trial

Eric Holder and the battle over Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
by Jane Mayer


<snip>

As a result, it is proving virtually impossible for Holder to make mid-course legal corrections without sparking political fights over the Bush legacy. Many of Obama’s political advisers see such battles as exactly the kind of “wedge” issues that alienate the independent voters they need. So far, polls show that the President has repaired the Democrats’ image problem on national-security issues; his approval rating on handling terrorism is about fifty per cent, and was unhurt by the Christmas Day fracas. The one national-security policy on which recent public-opinion polls register extreme disapproval is the decision to handle terror suspects as civilian criminals.

Holder’s unpopular positions on terrorism issues have frustrated Obama’s advisers. The lawyer close to the Administration said, “The White House doesn’t trust his judgment, and doesn’t think he’s mindful enough of all the things he should be,” such as protecting the President from political fallout. “They think he wants to protect his own image, and to make himself untouchable politically, the way Reno did, by doing the righteous thing.” On November 13th, when Holder announced his plan to try the 9/11 defendants in New York, Obama was travelling in Asia. He told reporters there, “We have to break . . . this fearful notion that somehow our justice system can’t handle these guys.” But as political tensions mount it’s unclear how far the White House will go to back Holder. Greg Craig, Obama’s first White House counsel, resigned under pressure in January, after clashing with Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, over his attempts to reverse Bush Administration counterterrorism policies.

Holder told me that he has no doubt that Obama supports him. They have shared some private moments. Late last year, Holder accompanied Obama on a middle-of-the-night visit to Dover Air Force Base. An Air Force plane had just delivered eighteen bodies of soldiers and Drug Enforcement Administration officials who had been killed that week, in Afghanistan. Holder said that

...

Emanuel viewed many of the legal problems that Craig and Holder were immersed in as distractions. “When Guantánamo walked in the door, Rahm walked out,” the informed source said. Holder and Emanuel had been collegial since their Clinton Administration days. Holder’s wife, Sharon Malone, an obstetrician, had delivered one of Emanuel’s children. But Emanuel adamantly opposed a number of Holder’s decisions, including one that widened the scope of a special counsel who had begun investigating the C.I.A.’s interrogation program. Bush had appointed the special counsel, John Durham, to assess whether the C.I.A. had obstructed justice when it destroyed videotapes documenting waterboarding sessions. Holder authorized Durham to determine whether the agency’s abuse of detainees had itself violated laws. Emanuel worried that such investigations would alienate the intelligence community. But Holder, who had studied law at Columbia with Telford Taylor, the chief American prosecutor in the Nuremberg trials, was profoundly upset after seeing classified documents explicitly describing C.I.A. prisoner abuse. The United Nations Convention Against Torture requires the U.S. to investigate credible torture allegations. Holder felt that, as the top law-enforcement officer in the U.S., he had to do something.

Emanuel couldn’t complain directly to Holder without violating strictures against political interference in prosecutorial decisions. But he conveyed his unhappiness to Holder indirectly, two sources said. Emanuel demanded, “Didn’t he get the memo that we’re not re-litigating the past?”




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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:51 PM
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1. What are the sources on this article
I have a very hard time believing that Holder suddenly decided to announce that KSM would be tried in New York without giving the White House a heads up.

Yes prosecutions are supposed to be politically independent but the Attorney General still serves at the pleasure of the President.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:54 PM
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5. They are the same sources from which we always get supposed "insider" WH news
It's up to you how much stock you put in unnamed persons close to the president/AG/Chief of Staff, etc.

But its nothing new.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 12:09 AM
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10. On the other hand, it's The New Yorker.
They tend to be careful and a little ahead of the curve, imo.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:51 PM
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2. "Re" litigating?
When did we litigate it in the first goddam place?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 12:10 AM
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11. Thank you.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 12:11 AM
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12. We didn't, and we damned well should have.
I despise the term "re-litigating" almost as much as I do "synergy" and "authentic". All three of those words set off a whooping siren in my head that lots of bullshit is in the vicinity.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:30 PM
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18. .
:thumbsup:
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Selena Harris Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:51 AM
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27. This might be a clue as to his aversion to litigation:
Rahm Emanuel was named to the Board of Directors for the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation ("Freddie Mac") by then President Bill Clinton in 2000. His position earned him at least $320,000, including later stock sales.<31><32> He was not assigned to any of the board's working committees, and the Board met no more than six times per year.<32>

During his time on the board, Freddie Mac was plagued with scandals involving campaign contributions and accounting irregularities.<32><33> The Obama Administration rejected a request under the Freedom of Information Act to review Freddie Mac board minutes and correspondence during Emanuel's time as a director.<32>

The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) later accused the board of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention." Emanuel resigned from the board in 2001 when he ran for Congress.<34> Wikipedia


Wasn't there a call to investigate Emmanuel in regard to these "irregularities"? What EVER happened to that?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:53 PM
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3. I have yet to find any story of Emmanuel actions that I agree with.
I mean, they must be out there somewhere. Some thing that he's said or done that I can get behind.

But I've never seen it so far.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:57 AM
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28. Maybe his days are numbered,
Sarah Palin doesn't like him. Now he has opposition that matters.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:53 PM
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4. I've had it with Rahm -- I hope this gets lots of attention and he feels pressured
to resign and spend more time with his family.

Seriously and sincerely, has he done anything to benefit this administration?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:56 PM
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6. Rahm's dirty. He and the DLC can go to hell, AFAIC. n//t
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 12:00 AM
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7. Perhaps Rahm didn't get the memo that he's not the Attorney General. nt
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ohiodemocratic Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 12:03 AM
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8. Geithner and Rahm have to go
Geithner provides cover for dirty bankers while Rahm provides cover for war criminals.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 12:56 PM
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30. Paulson is book pushing. This morning - NPR - says Geithner is fabulous.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 12:06 AM
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9. Rahm is an idiot by why do independents not want actual real trials held for these
terrorists? What are they afraid of, our own criminal justice system working?
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 12:25 AM
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13. It. Is. Time. For. Rahm. To. Go.
Rahm needs to leave. He's causing more trouble than he's worth, and it would appear he was never serious about health care reform. With an attitude like that, is it any wonder HCR is so f*cked up?

Send him packing, Obama. It's past time.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 12:44 AM
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14. What we need is for Rahm Emmanuel and the DLC to be in our PAST . . . !!!
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:31 PM
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19. .
:applause:
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 12:59 PM
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31. Hear, hear!
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 01:39 AM
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15. Obama's political advisers evidently are not
Edited on Fri Feb-05-10 02:01 AM by noise
able to do their job so they blame Holder. Or they buy the idiotic GOP talking points and thus don't want any reforms. I'm not sure which scenario is worse.

If Holder is serious he should start calling the GOP fascists. Not well intentioned advocates of harsh interrogation. Fascists who don't seem to believe in American values. Fascists who like to pretend that torture worked. If Holder is truly sickened by the Bush approach to terrorism then he should stop pretending that such an approach was well intentioned.

The GOP sells their fascist views by trying to convince the public that support for fascist policies is patriotic. Since when is the implementation of a police state considered patriotic? The unitary executive concept is basically a call for a dictatorship. Since when is support for dictatorship considered patriotic? This is authoritarian nonsense.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 08:04 AM
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16. Hey Rham! One first has to litigate in order to re-litigate.
Back the fuck off Holder and let him do his fucking job. He's not nearly as aggressive as I would be.

-Hoot
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 10:19 PM
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17. Dump Rahm Emanual
Rahm Emanual is the poster child for what's wrong with Washington. He's a real albatross around the President's neck that unfortunately the president seems quite willing to carry around.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 11:34 PM
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20. They are inseparable, better get used to it.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 12:48 AM
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21. Rahm Emmanuel and Timothy Geithner need to go.
They are hurting Obama -- and hurting him badly.

Attorney General Holder should be allowed to do his job independently. He is not Rahm Emmanuel's attorney general. He is the Attorney General for the United States. Part of his job is to uphold the Constitution even when it is unpopular. He is not supposed to consider politics. He is supposed to consider the law.

Trying KSM in front of a jury of New Yorkers where KSM's crimes were committed is the right thing to do. The people of New York should decide KSM's fate. KSM should have to face a jury in the city in which he hurt so many people.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 12:54 AM
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22. +1
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 04:46 AM
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23. I really dislike that slimy weasel
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 10:12 AM
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26. Slimy Weasel is what Rahm is -
He is ruining Obama's Presidency. Obama should let the little man with a huge Napoleon complex as soon as possible. His use of the "R" word to describe liberals should be the final straw.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 09:32 AM
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24. Fire Rahm NOW.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 08:37 PM
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37. long overdue
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 09:51 AM
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25. Rahm's every statement contains a lie or a slander
In this one, he insists that these cases have already been litigated, which they were not. A liar. Lying again.
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groundloop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 11:29 AM
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29. Could Obama bringing back David Plouffe signal anything in regards to Rahm?
I don't know, just thinking out loud. But it sure seems that President Obama came out swinging at about the same time that he brought back Plouffe, so I gotta wonder.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 01:09 PM
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32. If true, Emanuel is as Republican as a Dem can get. Palin is wrong.
Justice isn't good enough to be served by this President?

We move foreward by following justice. Don't let Emanuel screw with justice. Or screw the people.

Explain this position to all our children.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-06-10 09:04 PM
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33. Didn't Rahm get Santayana's memo?
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 07:51 PM
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34. The KSM trial is a poison pill designed by Cheney and...
...his sick lawyer Addington who should be disbarred and put in prison. Having tortured KSM 183 times he can't get a fair trial under US law. It's called the Eighth Amendment. He's already been punished by being brought to the point of death 183 times. If he could be tried without bringing his torturers into court, that would really be something, but it wouldn't be a fair trial. Because the theory of the unitary executive is that the third branch may not subpoena, question or review in any capacity anything having to do with national security, this trial is by neocon legal design meant to implode.

How will the court maintain the chinese wall between his numerous confessions and numerous torture sessions? Answer by turning the right to due process, and the right to a fair trial into a farce, supported by bogus legal fictions.

Whatever happens at trial he should win his appeal. If he doesn't say goodbye officially to the Constitution. If he does win an appeal, he will stay in permanent detention for the rest of his life. Either way, say goodbye to justice and the third branch.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 07:55 PM
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35. so Rahm has been talking to Cheney?
or just acting like him?
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 08:13 PM
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36. Rahm shares the national security perspective of Cheney
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 08:14 PM by soryang
I don't think he has any qualms about what happened at Gitmo, or the Darkside, or what the neocon believers in the Unitary Executive have done to sabotage the third branch of government and the justice system. I'm sure he just wants to postpone the issue indefinitely and hope it will go down the memory hole.

In other words, he thinks why is Holder swallowing the poison pill?
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