Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Democracy in America (1787-2010) RIP

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 08:22 PM
Original message
Democracy in America (1787-2010) RIP
The gradual development of the equality of conditions is therefore a
providential fact, and it possesses all the characteristics of a divine
decree: it is universal, it is durable, it constantly eludes all human
interference, and all events as well as all men contribute to its
progress. Would it, then, be wise to imagine that a social impulse which
dates from so far back can be checked by the efforts of a generation? Is
it credible that the democracy which has annihilated the feudal system
and vanquished kings will respect the citizen and the capitalist?

Democracy in America Alexis de Tocqueville


This year, with very little fanfare, democracy as we know it died in the United States.



Our system of representative government has been failing for some time. In 1968 and again in 1980, Republican presidential candidates committed treason in order to get themselves elected. Nixon, who ran on a “Four Years Should Be Enough To Win a War” platform, conspired with Kissinger to prolong the war in Viet Nam. Reagan persuaded the Iranians to hold onto American hostages in order to give himself the edge.

In 2000, the anti-democratic forces in this country went a step further. Under the guidance of Scalia, the Supreme Court of the United States violated one of the most basic principles of law. They allowed their votes in Bush v. Gore to be swayed by the identities of the parties in the case, overturning an election which the Democrat would later be proven to have won.

Under the Bush Jr. administration, there was no enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, a linchpin of our democracy. Instead, the DOJ rubber stamped illegal minority vote suppressing redistricting in Texas and a Poll Tax in Georgia. Companies like Diebold boldly stole elections in Georgia, 2002 and later across the country. Suddenly Democrats had to be leading by more than the margin of error in the polls, otherwise the machines would cook the results and Republicans would stage upset victories.

But even that was not enough for the supporters of corporate fascism who call themselves names like the New Federalists. This year, their operatives in the Supreme Court placed the last nail in the coffin of our democracy.

The US Supreme Court has struck down a major portion of a 2002 campaign-finance reform law, saying it violates the free-speech right of corporations to engage in public debate of political issues.

In a landmark 5-to-4 decision announced Thursday, the high court overturned a 1990 legal precedent and reversed a position it took in 2003, when a different lineup of justices upheld government restrictions on independent political expenditures by corporations during elections.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0121/Supreme-Court-Campaign-finance-limits-violate-free-speech




Note that the corporate media, when it bothered to cover this story, always talked about how corporations and unions would now be allowed to contribute as much as they wanted to federal campaigns. As if the and unions made it alright.

Specialists in campaign finance law said they expected the decision to reshape the way elections were conducted. Though the decision does not directly address them, its logic also applies to the labor unions that are often at political odds with big business.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/politics/22scotus.html


In a landmark ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday struck down laws that banned corporations from using their own money to support or oppose candidates for public office.
By 5-4 vote, the court overturned federal laws, in effect for decades, that prevented corporations from using their profits to buy political campaign ads. The decision, which almost certainly will also allow labor unions to participate more freely in campaigns, threatens similar limits imposed by 24 states.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34822247/ns/politics-supreme_court/


To compare corporations and unions is not simply a case of apples and oranges. Try whales and minnows. According to one source

Since 1990, labor unions have contributed over $667 million in election campaigns in the United States, of which $614 million or 92 percent went to support Democratic candidates. In 2008, unions spent $74.5 million in campaign contributions, with $68.3 million going to the Democratic Party. Already, unions have contributed $6.5 million to the 2010 elections, and $6 million has gone to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics in Washington, D.C.
http://www.aier.org/research/briefs/1550-obama-thanks-his-friends-government-spending-and-union-support


Let’s do some math. Nine elections since 1990. $667 million spent. That averages out to be about $70 million an election. Now, compare that to (mostly) corporate spending in 2008 alone…

In the 2008 election cycle, nearly $6 billion was spent on all federal campaigns, including more than $1 billion from corporate political action committees, trade associations, executives and lobbyists.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5880P620090909


More math. $1 billion minus $70 million equals…

Corporate “citizens” are more equal than union “citizens.” No wonder Congress failed to vote on the Employee Free Choice Act, even when they had a clear 60 vote majority in the Senate. Now, they will blame that woman from Massachusetts for their failure to follow through on their promises to labor, the same way they will blame her for their failure to do fuck about health care.

Bought and sold, that describes our Congress, our president, our Supreme Court. Welcome to the New Federalist United States. If it seems strangely familiar, that might be because it resembles Mussolini’s Italy, a land where corporations ruled and everyone else paid.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini




What is the difference between capitalism, which we once had, and corporate fascism, which we now have? The latter is a lot like feudalism. A few individuals own the rest of us. They own our labor, our profit, our elected representatives (meaning they own our votes). When they want more money, they tell their paid lackeys in Washington to write them a check. The bought and paid for politicians respond by asking “How much do you want?” Then they hand over hundreds of billions of dollars of our tax dollars. In exchange, the corporations (in this case the banks) do not make it easier for us to keep our homes. Serfs do not own their own homes. They do not reinvest the money in order to free up credit in order to jump start the economy. Instead, they horde it away so that they can use it to buy the next election.

I saw this coming. Here is a link to my journal “The Fourth Right Wing Coup” from early last year in which I predicted that the bank bailout money would be used for a slush fund to protect banking interests in the next election.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/376

However, I never expected the Supreme Court to step in and play Congress by writing new laws to make it easier for Big Business to buy politicians. Isn’t that one of the things the New Federalists griped about previous courts?

It was the height of activism to usurp the judgments of Congress and state legislatures about how best to prevent corruption of the political process.
Ruth Marcus
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/22/AR2010012203897.html


After Selection 2000, I should have known that (at least five members of) the Supreme Court have been using the document drafted by our founders as toilet paper.



If you think that the Congress and President we have now are unresponsive to the voters and overly concerned about the wishes of Big Business, just wait until 2011. The way things stand now in this country, Congress’s number one job will be figuring out how to heap more corporate welfare on its campaign donors. The President's task will be to get before the cameras, the way that W. did in 2008 to declare that the sky is falling and it can only be propped up by billions paid to his best business buddies. The Supreme Court will allow corporations to select the winners of elections. Two words you will never hear together will be “election” and “reform”, because corporations need a way to bypass the will of voters in case their serfs make a decision that interferes with their ability to generate obscene amounts of money.

As corporate "citizens" seize full control of the country, expect the civil rights of actual citizens to be trampled. For instance, AT&T will be allowed to intercept and record all your phone and email transmissions with the full blessing of Congress, the Courts and the President. Oh, wait. That already happened---

Corporations, which receive billions from us when they go into debt, will be allowed to keep individuals indebted to them for life. Because all money really belongs to Big Business. They are just letting us borrow it--at a hefty interest rate---

Habeas corpus will be optional---silly me. I forgot Jose Padilla. If we fuck with AT&T, they won't even have to bother blackmailing us. They can get their paid lackeys in the DOJ to incarcerate us---

Corporate welfare will be disguised as "reform". For instance, in response to the overwhelming demand that something be done to make health care more affordable, Congress will write a law that gives all our money to the health insurance industry while stripping them of any governmental regulation---

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6263230

We will be embroiled in more wars designed to promote the interests of Big Business---

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/445

If anyone criticizes corporate welfare, the administration will be there to insist that such handouts are all that stand between us and chaos---


Timothy F. Geithner, the Treasury secretary, defended the bailout of the American International Group again on Wednesday to a group of representatives who would not buy his explanations.
The questioning was heated and sometimes took on the air of a cross-examination as Mr. Geithner said that a collapse of A.I.G. would have been catastrophic and would have put the United States at risk of a Great Depression.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/business/28aig.html


Silly me. I am not predicting the future. I am describing the way things already are. If if looks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. If it looks, acts and smells like corporate fascism, then calling it a democracy is pretty silly.



Eventually, the Constitution will be written to read:

"We the Corporations of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Profit, insure Solvency , provide for Big Executives Bonuses,<1> promote the business community, and secure all rights to ourselves and our stock holders, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of Corporate Fascist America."








Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. shoulda read 1787-2000
we lost democracy when someone held a coup and stole the election, but unlike Iran's people we didn't fight hard enough :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. We didn't need a secret police when big screen TV's were still cheap enough...
...and football was still on...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. exactly
our country was stolen on December 12, 2000. Nothing has been even close to right since.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. You are right. It's just that a lot of people didn't know that the body
was in the basement of Congress until it started to stink.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Yeah really. It really ended with Bush v. Gore
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. I think that's right. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:42 PM
Response to Original message
4. I think it died on 12/12/2000. The things you describe...
...is just the corpse getting ripe and smelly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
7. Perhaps this graphic will assist you:
The Death Of Democracy
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 10:04 PM
Response to Original message
8. K&R....n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 12:23 AM
Response to Original message
9. Elites knew they could eventually knock out "democracy" and in
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 12:35 AM by defendandprotect
the compromises of our Founders with slave lords and those who betrayed "equality"

by betraying women -- they were off to a fast start!

Only males who owned property could vote -- as well.

But certainly after WWII -- Operation Paperclip-Allen Dulles brought tens of thousands

of Nazis into America to found the CIA, funneling them into the FBI, NASA and other

government agencies --

and when HUAC was used to attack the ideals of democracy via

the McCarthy Era and purging government of liberals/progressives --

and in 1963, the coup on JFk which took not only our president but our "people's"

government -- and our Democratic Party!!


The compromise with slavery led to the Civil War which enriched elites/corporations --

an imbalance that evidently made a great difference --

And the weakening of Reconstruction led to Segregation, Inc. in the South.



As always, elites took the nation backwards -




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 12:37 AM
Response to Original message
11. KR, and LOVE you, McCamy!

:yourock:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 01:14 AM
Response to Original message
12. And the elite wage wars the people do not want but have to pay for
since the corporate elite will not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:52 AM
Response to Original message
13. The Title of the Post is correct, but the exact Dates we could argue over forever.
Some would say it died in 1913.

Some would say it was November 22, 1963.

Some would say it was in 1980.

Some would say Dec. 12, 2000.

Some would say 2010.

What we all should agree on is that the Patient is dead, the experiment is over.

The question we should be asking is, How do we go about starting a new one?

Sadly, it is my unfortunate duty to tell you that most of this country is so many light years from even UNDERSTANDING what is going on, that they can't even begin to fathom that question.

It doesn't exist to them.

And that is unfortunate.

Because they are running out of time.

And they don't even know the clock is running.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
igfoth Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #13
16. Starting Over
Step one, officially dissolve the United States of America leaving 50 nation states.

The 50 nation states can either remain independent nations or merge with other nation states to form new countries. Some states will choose to merge with other nations like Canada or Mexico.

The Grand Experiment is over and Dead, Dead, Dead

Long Live the Corporation!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. There has been a lot of talk about that recently.
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 09:21 PM by TheWatcher
Not here on DU, where the desperate worship of The Fake Political System we have now has never been more resolute, but I have heard a lot outside of it.

Lots of random musings and conversations from all types of people.

There is a small percentage of the population that has woken up to the fact that the United States cannot continue to exist in it's current form much longer, at least not without real, fundamental leadership and a serious adherence to The Constitution and the Rule Of Law, and a real effort to solve the myriad of economic problems the country faces, as well as ENDING all the senseless wars. The country is being driven into the ground, but most of the citizenry remain clueless on a level that would have made the Romans seem hyper vigilant.

I have heard more and more predictions of a Soviet Style collapse, and it doesn't really seem that implausible.

And yes, this post will be attacked, flamed, and skewered like it always is by those so desperate to believe in a lie, they'd die for it before even having a dream about facing even the most harmless truth about their country.

IF that is to be our fate, I can only hope that such an event would lead to something Positive, but to be honest, this country is so in love with corruption and so Stockholmed to accept it, I am beginning to wonder if such an even would only create Five or Six dangerous Rogue nations instead of the one we already have.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:59 AM
Response to Original message
14. Democracy is not dead, the population just doesn't know what to do with it.
I suggest we replace all the incumbents. Yes we will lose a few good people, but no effective good ones.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 05:03 AM
Response to Original message
15. K&R - nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:28 PM
Response to Original message
17. Excellent essay. Well supported.
Enthusiastic K&R

One of the problems you pointed out is the ownership of our electoral system by Corporate Black Boxes.
92% of the American People (Democrats & Republicans) support transparent, verifiable elections.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446445

With 92% support, this would be an easy WIN/WIN for The Democratic Party.

After the clearly stolen election in 2000, and the disaster in 2004, I fully expected Safeguarding Elections to be a front burner HIGH priority issue with the Democrats.
But...:shrug:

Aside from some quickly marginalized voices on The Left, the Democratic Party has been ominously silent on the problems with our unverifiable system.


I can think of only one reason WHY, and this reason is truly frightening.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 08:47 PM
Response to Original message
18. A Masterpiece MT - May I Repost?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Sure
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:01 PM
Response to Original message
19. NTSA!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lib_n_proud7650 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 09:26 PM
Response to Original message
21. democracy ended in 2000 IMO
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 03:28 PM
Response to Original message
23. Looks like a good read.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr 29th 2024, 03:52 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC