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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 01:46 PM
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To every lame-brained idiot who thinks Canadian socialist healthcare sucks- Read this and weep.
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 01:47 PM by snagglepuss
As of result of its world-class reputation for excellence in pediatric medicine, Toronto's SickKids Hospital won the contract to set up a new children's hospital in Qatar over other leading health-care organizations in the United States, Europe and Australia.

Not only does this 5 year contract confirm Canada's stellar health care system, it also shows how Canadian hospitals have free reign to innovate to better the services they provide. This contract will raise significant revenue for SickKids Hospital. The clincher is that money raised through selling expertise gets plowed back into the hosptial, not into profits. What many critics of Canadian health care don't realize is that Canadian hospitals and doctors are NOT part of the public sector. Just because medical treatment is covered by a single payer insurance system doesn't mean they are public sector. Hospitals like SickKids are not-for-profit foundations which is what will be set up in Qatar.



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Sick Kids has long earned praise for saving lives and healing children here at home. Now, the Hospital for Sick Children is taking its winning ways abroad – and also earning much needed revenue – by securing a valuable contract to set up a major new pediatric facility in the oil-rich emirate of Qatar.

By melding its medical expertise and managerial experience, Sick Kids outbid several American, Australian and European rivals in the competition to advise on a state-of-the-art children's hospital. Part of the appeal was the Canadian hospital's corporate culture, which emphasizes patient care and staff professionalism in a child-friendly atmosphere.

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The sales contract in Qatar is a credit to Sick Kids, but also a reminder to other centers of excellence in Canada that they need to market themselves abroad. For Sick Kids, its expertise was a key selling point, but such expertise doesn't just sell itself. It requires marketing know-how, persistence, and vision.

Ontario's economy is facing major structural changes, with industrial production declining at a time of growing health costs. We need to work harder on the knowledge industries that will pay dividends in future. We need to think smart to maintain our economic health. In short, the Sick Kids coup in Qatar is just the kind of tonic we need.


http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/762936--exporting-sick-kids




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"When dollars get tight, if you want to be innovative and continue to be one of the top hospitals in the world, you have to get creative," said Mary Jo Haddad, Sick Kids' chief executive officer.

Long pursued by American hospitals, the international health-care market is increasingly open to Canada because of the country's global image and health-care expertise, Haddad added.

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"Other countries are looking to Canada to be more active in international health care. I could be doing this in 10 other countries given the number of requests I've had over the past few years. We're starting slowly and cautiously.

Sick Kids said it could not disclose the value of the contract, but Haddad described it as "significant."
The Toronto hospital's annual budget is about $900 million, with nearly two-thirds of that funded by government and the rest from philanthropic activities and commercial agreements.

Proceeds from the deal will help finance projects at home, Haddad added

"The revenue from this contract goes back into the operations of this (Sick Kids) hospital for new technology and capital equipment," she said before heading to Qatar for Sunday's official contract signing.



http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/healthcaresystem/article/762014--sick-kids-to-set-up-hospital-in-qatar











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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 01:49 PM
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1. Yep, the United States is becoming less competitive in every single area
of commerce. And as health care costs and insurance costs continue to spiral out of control, consuming more and more of our GDP, this is only going to get worse.

Which is yet another thing those thick-skulled asshole repukes refuse to learn.
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-wulf- Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 01:58 PM
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3. I thought
the movement was to eliminate competitiveness and focus more on equal distribution of resources and wealth?
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:09 PM
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7. What are you,a Commie?
:shrug:
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:10 PM
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9. we are forced to look at our For-Profit Healthcare System on its own...
As it stands now, when comparing our system to another, we are forced to look at our For-Profit Healthcare System on its own and in the present rather than what any end-result of actual health care reform would achieve.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:15 PM
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13. Your either being sarcastic or simply profoundly uninformed.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:09 PM
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8. The US excels at innovation. In that regard, it's still competitive, yet...
where it is failing at an appalling rate is in the area of cost containment, and obviously, Qatar was looking at costs in terms of rewarding the contract for a state-of-the-art children's hospital. There is tremendous profit-taking in this sector inside the US, far more than should be tolerated.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:19 PM
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16. My point is not that the US doesn't excel at innovation but to reveal the
dangerous myth that only companies with a profit motive innovative.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:13 PM
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11. Given that money is not an issue for Qatar, you'd think that they would
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 02:20 PM by snagglepuss
choose an American hospital since according to US insurance propagandists, US healthcare is the best in the world. One reason given that SickKids was chosen was their philosophy of building local expertise rather than simply provide the service. IMO that philosophy develops from viewing health care as a not-for-profit service. For-profit health providers don't want to build local expertise because that would eventually ruin their bottom lines.

"A key component of our international strategy is to share our knowledge and to help other organizations build capacity within their own countries," added Cathy Seguin, Vice President of International Affairs at SickKids. U.S. hospitals have a more do-it-for-you approach, she said. "They'd bring in their own teams and when the teams left, so did the talent."

http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/healthcaresystem/article/762014--sick-kids-to-set-up-hospital-in-qatar
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-wulf- Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 01:57 PM
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2. I was in Vancouver
in 2001 or so, and all of the doctors were on strike and picketing. Their spokesman said that no services would be provided, even including major surgeries.

This was shock to me.


Not really relevant I suppose, but the Canadians getting a contract doesn't contribute to the health care debate any more than recent snowfalls disprove global warming.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:14 PM
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12. Doctors were fighting their hospital employer, not the Canadian government.
Contrary to popular, although tremendously misguided, belief, Canadian hospitals are private, for-profit institutions. The only difference is everyone in Canada is basically covered by the equivalent of Medicare, so the hospital only really sends the bills to one place instead of many.

If those doctors were on strike, that's the fault of their employer, not anything with the Canadian government or the provincial government.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:36 PM
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17. It certainly is relevent to the health care debate given that Canada's
health care system is consistently dissed as inferior. The free market on the international stage has spoken and a not-for-profit hospital has been deemed superior.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:02 PM
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4. Toronto Sick Kids saved my arm when I was 8 years old...
had a non-malignant bone tumour idenified and removed by Dr. Walter Bobechko.

It's a great freakin' hospital, and I hope I never have need of it for my kids.

Sid
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:05 PM
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5. Corporate culture has way more of an effect on how a corporation is run than most would believe.
Edited on Fri Feb-12-10 02:10 PM by Selatius
If the emphasis at the top is on profits only, then that attitude does trickle down through the management both in words and in behavior as far as decision-making goes, and the result is workers are redirected towards that goal by their managers or they are coerced towards that goal and potentially intimidated towards that goal, even if the explicitly stated philosophy of the company says something different. As others have said, words are cheap, after all. If you have a hospital run by shareholders on a board, and they are primarily concerned with profits, of course you're going to end up with a hospital that may appear to overlook patient care and professionalism in favor of quick money.

Lots of American hospitals would throw out the red carpet if you're rich. They'd also kick you out if you have no money, no insurance. This attitude is essentially institutionalized abuse. In other words, the actors in the machine may all be nice people who would never harm anybody directly, but in their roles inside the current American health care system, their decisions to drop people, deny coverage, and skimp on patient costs makes them into monsters. The system was set up in such a way as to create a disconnect between the decisions made and the consequences that follow.

I doubt an insurance actuary daily sees people dying of lack of health care with his or her eyes, but maybe if they had to work directly with the patients that their decisions impact, they might see the light.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:07 PM
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6. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:11 PM
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10. My daughter had her baby the other day. Here's what it cost
Parking $18 (two day-passes + 2 hours)
Cable TV $12
Pop $5
Coffee $15 (for five people)
Cafeteria $20 (I got hungry)
Gift shop $14

Total: $84

What we got:

-24 hours in hospital
-three meals plus liquids
-fancy birthing bed
-pre-natal monitor
-prep cart for epidural
-suck-the-baby-out thingie
-scale
-pre-natal baby bed with warmer and monitors
-two nurses permanently underfoot and others wandering in and out
-morphine
-various other IV's
-blood work for mom
-epidural
-stitches
-anesthologist
-pediatric doctor
-resident doctor
-intern
-two classes of doctors, nurses, whatnot (at one point we had 14 green-gowned people in the room)
-all paperwork including proof of life birth
-blood work, shots, eyedrops, tests, god knows what else for baby
-diapers, wipes
-home visit from nurse to check on baby, teach nursing etc.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:18 PM
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15. Congratulations Grandpa!...
:hi:

Sid
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-wulf- Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 03:07 PM
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18. we've had two children
and didn't pay more than you did for the same services under my "for profit" system.



I see these types of comments all of the time, but they prove anything.



Congratulations BTW!
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My Good Babushka Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 04:09 PM
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19. I had two kids, too
First time, our for profit insurance charged a $30.00 co-pay for our first appointment, and that was it.
Second time our insurance was different and we owed the whole deductible $1500 after the delivery. We never did have the money to pay it. I hope they don't repossess him.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 02:17 PM
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14. K&R
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-12-10 05:29 PM
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20. Not if you beleive Gus Porter
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