Doesn’t it terrify you how many Americans are talking about a second Civil War?

[Cyrano]

There is no doubt that we are a divided country. But how many people have any idea of the incredible horror of war?

Evidently, anyone, Dem or Repub, who sees this as the answer to our county’s differences/divisions, are totally clueless as to the reality of war. It’s a term thrown around loosely because of mutual hatred.

My guess is that anyone who is ready to go to war over our differences doesn’t have a clue as to the actual experience of war. Perhaps as many as ¾ of a million Americans died in the Civil War. And that’s when there was a geographic division between US and THEM and far fewer Americans than exist today.

So the next time around, who are you going to shoot? Your neighbor with whom you disagree? Your fellow employee who you consider to be a moron? Your brother-in-law who you got into a fight with at the last Thanksgiving dinner?

My guess is that most who talk about war have never seen intestines oozing onto the ground. Have never seen grey brain matter splattered near a shattered human skull. Have never seen dead eyes staring off into nothingness. Have never crapped in their own pants because of fear.

My guess is that, most of those who talk about a second American Civil War will rethink their position after the first few moments of battle.

We don’t need a second Civil War. We need a civil discussion about our differing positions. Unfortunately, it’s a discussion that most Republicans and many Democrats don’t want to have because of our hatred of each other.

Well, my guess is that those who experience a day or two of war will quickly change their minds.

[babylonsister]

1. No. nt

[MrModerate]

2. No, because I'm not afraid of hot air. n/t

[TransitJohn]

3. Right wingers talking civil war or secession are idiots.

that is all.

[DJ13]

4. No, because Im hoping the elites recognize people are saying it out of frustration

In other words Im hoping they reconsider the policies and their own actions that have pushed people near the edge and do something to rectify the situation while theres still time.

[trumad]

11. LOL

It's only the racist right wing nutjobs talking about it...

Dumb post.

[RoyGBiv]

5. Question ...

Just how many people are talking about it?

[babylonsister]

9. Ha! No kidding. What have we missed? nt

[bridgit]

42. In America, at the end of one such Rev War; a rather small group...

of not just 'sore losers' but strange, nefarious, deathly-continuous-thinkers plotted to kill a POTUS...one actually did. Setting their "action" to do so aside for a moment we do so along with our "vigilant" opposition to it; I think to distill or concentrate on any potential number of Rev War thinkers dilutes their vicious intent into a matter requiring (and most imperceptively perceived as such) they be sat-down at some children's table for Thanksgiving with a pat on the head to resolve

And that to me sounds like apathy - apathy is what they are banking on. Their already pointed opinion is that 'the left' will continue to be too self absorbed to care unless & until the numbers start flowing in their specific direction. And that by then: it will be too late

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. Not a bit.

[SnoopDog]

7. It should be termed 'terrified of the second Revolutionary War'...

It is not our neighbors we should be worried about - it is our government that is screwing us...

The Declaration of Independence applies today...

[Political Heretic]

8. Not War, Movement.

The time is coming for a new civil rights movement, in which people are not divided by right vs. left but rather by top vs. bottom - a civil rights movement for economic justice. A civil right movement to finish the work that Dr. King was speaking of specifically right before he was put down.

I don't think too many here want "war" - but if such a movement was met with violence, I would like to think I would find the courage to resist and not cower under the fist of tyranny.

[whattheidonot]

45. new economy,

The economy is shot. we need a new economy and new education. The economy , before the crisis was still causing a great difference in wealth. An economy propped up on easy money so we can buy exports is no economy. The corporations need to challenged. They make the rules and get all the breaks. These huge interests are killing the country. we need lots of new businesses coming up with good products that are managed with more than a concern for only a monetary profit. Profits spread in communities are profits remade. Now we hear the voice of only the big corporations. They control the airwaves. These big interests close down when an area goes bad. they still have millions of other stores, etc. Replace them with local interests.

[KonaKane]

10. We could Balkanize without a war...

and with every passing day I'm seeing the wisdom in it. I'm thinking five smaller countries.

[Throd]

12. No. Not terrified.

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

13. Secession ?, "Do not let the door hit you in the ass on the way out".

One of the ideas that was brain washed into me as a child by my grand father, ( his family lost 9 uncles to the war ) was "should just let the southern states go". So for better or worse if Texas wants to leave the union "good riddance, and you can't come back".

[Lorien]

15. Vermont has it's fair share of Liberal secessionists too

I think I could brave the cold if they chose to do it. :evilgrin:

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

20. maybe we should introduce them to each other

all ways wanted to be a match maker :)

[leftofcool]

24. Works for me

I wonder if they would just take a couple of other states with them?

[Lorien]

14. No. Americans like their TV, Playstation, internet, iphones...you name it

too much to bother getting outside to protest, let alone shoot one another.

[GoCubsGo]

44. Exactly right.

And, looking at the individuals who are calling for a civil war (i.e., the "teabaggers"), I don't think most of them in any physical shape to carry out a war. Half of 'em look like they can barely walk to the mailbox without becoming out of breath.

[pitohui]

16. nah they've been talking second civil war my whole life

i'm not going to lay awake nights giving blowhards credit

if they didn't do it over school integration they're not gonna do it now, they're just gonna have to face the fact that, the president's black, most people who are non-idiots voted for him, and the haters are in the minority

they want to "take back the country" by shooting off guns at beer cans in the back woods, well, i'm not losing much sleep over that

[spanone]

17. i don't think there are that many. they're just loud.

[safeinOhio]

18. Whoopie had a great comment about that on the View.

She said revolution aren't started by overweight 50+year olds. They are started by youth. I agree with her.

Iran is a good case. It starts on college campuses, not at tea parties. Hot air from idiots does not scare me, it just makes me sad. The tea party people and ideas have no support among the 20 somethings.

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

21. actually that was John McCain's daughter

the chunky blond --- i do not know why she makes me hot --- just not right

[bemildred]

19. Bring it. nt

[hatrack]

22. Not really - way too hard for the 101st Fighting Bloggers to drop the Fritos, aim & fire

nt

[Subdivisions]

27. About the best I can do is to wait until my mortal wingnut enemies (mostly friends/family) are

over for a visit. I'll flank them and manuever to their rear. That's when I'll strike! Giving them the worst wedgie they've ever sustained in battle!

[DKRC]

23. No nt

[athenasatanjesus]

25. A civil war very likely could happen

now that the super rich are moving to other countries maybe it would benefit them to leave america in ruins before we figure out how to fight back against them.

[NOLALady]

50. What would be their point?

What's there to gain?

[Subdivisions]

26. Doesn't terrify me at all. But, if were ever to come to that, I'd have a time

trying to shoot my way out of Texas.

[HBravo]

28. Ok, I admit that sometime I am slow on the up take but

this is the first I have heard of actual armed insurrection. Where does this come from?:shrug:

[the other one]

29. The only the we have to fear

Is fear itself!

[ohheckyeah]

30. No, it's doesn't worry me.

I don't think there are enough people who will put down the remote control long enough to fight in a war.

[readmoreoften]

31. I'd rather fight the class war, thanks.

I don't really care about North and South, per se.

[Quantess]

32. No, not in the slightest.

[lpbk2713]

33. A lot of people talk a good game.

But in the final analysis they are all just mid-level bullshitters.

[Chulanowa]

34. It doesn't bother me at all

I remember in the early 80's, when I was five years old or so, sitting around listening to my parents arguing (or debating, hard to tell at that age) with their biker buddies about "the coming revolution". I heard it in school from wannabe black nationalists (and I would assume there was similar rhetoric over at the "white" school... yeah desegregation wasn't the 100% that you think it was...) I saw this crap in flyers all over town after the OKC bombings. It was on TV during Clinton's latter years. I heard it from my left-wing and anarchist buddies in 2000, and again in 2004. I see it all the time today from conspiracy huddle websites and from right-wing buffoons.

My synopsis is that it's simply part of American culture to always be fantasizing about revolt. Our national myth is founded on the idea, and it's continued al lthe way up to the lies that are taught about the civil war ("State's rights" my smooth brown butt!). We throw near-worship at "freedom fighters" until we find a better team of freedom fighters that are against them. We laud and applaud anyone and everyone who "sticks it to the man" no matter how ineffective or pointless or just plain wrong they may be.

For these people, talking about a civil war is just fantasy. Bizarre and narcissistic fantasy with foundations in another fantasy taught as "history" but still a fantasy.

If nothing else, these fucks are universally too lazy to do anything about it.

[Cyrano]

35. I'm amazed. I too believe that those who talk about it are full of hot air

But I never remember seeing a thread in which virtually every DUer agreed.

I can only hope that we are all correct and are not underestimating the number of crazies out there.

[HopeHoops]

36. No. The "Love It Or Leave It" crowd is the same one wanting to leave now. Bye!

Why bother with a war? If they want to leave, let them go. The red states would be begging for help within six months on their own.

See ya!

[cali]

37. not even a little bit.

[bikebloke]

38. No.

The people talking war, are the cowards hoping others will fight it for them. Real warriors are cheerleaders, you know.

[Obamanaut]

39. This is the first I've heard of it. n/t

[crazyjoe]

40. OK drama, show me where there is a SERIOUS discussion

of civil war. And I don't mean anonymous pizza eaters on a blog.
ridiculous drama BS

[slackmaster]

41. I'm 52 and can't remember any time when there wasn't somebody talking about secession

:shrug:

[bridgit]

43. No

[tom_paine]

46. Hah! Given the psychological configuration of the modern Empire, the only "revolution" or "civil

war" we are capable of is the kind they had in Germany 1928-1933.

Read "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner to see just how similar our national mentalities are, though our is "kinder and gentler" adjusted for our less violent lifestyle and era.

You can only have a Civil War when there are two Leaderships ready to fight.

In our Empire, we have the New Nazis and the New German Social Democrats, so to speak. Read Haffner. He describes quite accurately what will basically happen here when the time for the Second Civil War (really an authoritarian "revolution" in which RW madmen and their henchmen step in and assume the reins).

Read about the German Left "Leadership" and their response to the 1933 Nazi revolution.

If that isn't the American Left Leadership, to the fifteenth decimal place in every way, I'll eat my hat.

I'm not terrified, I am amused. We tool-using monkey people are DUMB...all of us. History may not repeat, but it sure does rhyme, as someone once said.

[truedelphi]

49. Thank you for the book rec.

Will check it out.

[Blue-Jay]

47. No. I'm not afraid of hot air-filled assholes.

Sure, they stink for a while, but they eventually dissipate.

[anonymous171]

48. Fuck civil discussion. Justice is far more important than civility.

[NOLALady]

51. I have not heard anyone talking about a Civil War.

I was not aware that many Americans are discussing a Civil War.

But, if that were to happen, it would be a perfect opportunity for others to take over what's left of this country. I'm sure there are many countries just waiting for us to self destruct.

No, I am not terrified.