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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:09 PM
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What happened at the wind farm? (catastrophic failure and an eyewitness report)
DU members: Please read the two stories below (article on a wind farm catastrophic failure and potential safety threats to area residents, and an editorial by a biologist on dangers posed to birds), both published at www.EastCountyMagazine.org in San Diego,

Then take our poll (bottom link) on whether there is enough oversight of wind farms to assure public safety and safety of wildlife. I was an Environmental Studies major, huge supporter of alternative energy sources in general, but what I’ve seen at local wind farms and learned in research has given me some very serious pause for concerns.

When the Campo wind farm was built, some people objected because of concerns about fire dangers, noting that there have been wind turbine fires in other areas. Now even skeptics are rethinking their views, after a catastrophic failure of the entire facility recently. Had there not been snow, this incident could well have triggered another major wildfire in the same area that has already suffered two of the most devastating fires in California history. Wind farms also are indisputably killing birds, the only question is how many. With new wind farms proposed all over America, please educate yourselves on this issue. While at our site, you may also want to google “wind farms” to find a three-part series we’ve previously run that went into great depth on the advantages as well as disadvantages of wind power, including interviews with area residents near existing wind farms (before this latest incident).

1. WHAT HAPPENED AT THE WIND FARM?

All 25 turbines damaged; witness saw explosive blue light before Campo-area wind farm went dark

“I saw a huge flash of blue out on the side of the hill where the windmills were. It started in the middle and spread out in all directions. It lit up the whole hillside the white-out of a snowstorm."--Ken Daubach, ex-firefighter, who witnessed the power go down

By Miriam Raftery

February 10, 2010 (Campo) – Battered by a winter storm on December 7, 25 wind turbines at the Kumeyaay Wind project on the Campo Indian Reservation shut down---and haven’t come back on line two months later.

At a January 28 public scoping meeting, Boulevard Planning Group Chair Donna Tisdale asked the California Public Utilities Commission and the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs to conduct a formal public health and safety investigation.


“All 75 blades from all 25 turbines were removed and only some of the FAA required lights are working,” Tisdale wrote. “There is speculation that the high winds flowing across the composite blades created an electrostatic discharge that then arced between turbines damaging the blades and the electrical system.”
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/2734


2. EDITORIAL: THE WIND INDUSTRY AND THE INCIDENTAL TAKE PERMIT

U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service should investigate bird deaths at wind farms
By Jim Wiegand, Wildlife Biologist
February 12, 2010 (San Diego)--Every day at wind farms across America threatened or endangered species are killed from collisions with blades of the prop wind turbine. This is considered legal because the offending wind farms either hold the "incidental take permit" or were not required to have one because they did not fully disclose environmental impacts of their activities. The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Services requires the procurement of an incidental take permit for any individual or private industry if threatened and endangered species will be killed in a project. This killing is referred to as "take" -- and the perrmit holder has immunity from prosecution.


Currently the USFWS is not protecting America's rare and endangered species, nor is the agency enforcing the law. The number one cause of death for golden eagles in our state is the prop wind turbine. There are dozens of California condors and whooping cranes that have disappeared in recent years. Many(including myself) believe they are dying at winds farms and are not being reported as required by the USFWS. View a video of a fatal encounter between a vulture and a wind turbine…
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/2740


3. POLL:
Is there enough oversight of wind farms to protect public safety and/or wildlife?
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/2748

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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:12 PM
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1. Somebody did not like this post...
Instant unrec...

I did the opposite and evened you up.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:38 PM
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2. Ditto that.... here is a vid of one windmill misbehaving badly....
This video will "blow" your mind, looks like it was trying to alter the rotation of the earth!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3FZtmlHwcA&feature=PlayList&p=9D378FCFE9D35DE8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:56 PM
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3. I'm pretty sure a blade on that turbine hit the tower..
Don't know why but after watching it several times that seems like the best explanation...
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:31 PM
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9. Shocking. Here's a video of a wind turbine on fire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOfHxINzGeo&feature=response_watch

Google "wind turbine fire" to find many more on YouTube - this is NOT that rare!
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Duckhunter935 Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 10:57 PM
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4. windmills bad, Ban them
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:40 PM
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13. Actually most farms and ranches in Wyoming have had them for years...
But they are the huge wooden bladed ones and they dont turn so fast.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:44 PM
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15. Now there's a bumper-sticker 'Windmills Bad Ban Them, Import More Psychotic Oil'
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leftrightwingnut Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:10 PM
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5. I am amazed that birds will fly near the blades.
The condor video is startling.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:24 PM
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7. Yes, I talked to someone whose friend works at a wind farm
in N. Ca and he said there are a lot more bird kills, and they are ordered to keep silent about them. Couldn't get him to talk on record.
I would be very interested to talk with anyone who has actual first-hand knowledge on this issue and especially more photos.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 12:04 AM
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17. Vultures will use the updrafts of any tall structure
to give them lift and conserve energy. I wonder if there's any clever way to repel them? Climate change is killing off more species every year, so something needs to be done.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:20 PM
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6. We definitely need to do more research into safety issues with them.
My SIL works with one of the power companies in our state and is pretty much the main engineer behind building and running their green energy projects. She said that one of the big problems with windmills is that they sling ice much further and at higher velocities than they'd originally thought. When some windmills are in residential areas, that's a big problem. Add in birds (she admitted to my dad that it's a big problem), and they're not the perfect answer we're looking for.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:29 PM
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8. Electrostatic discharge seems unlikely in that the static charge should discharge down each tower to
the ground, not jump through the air from turbine to turbine as it is the lowest resistance path to ground down the towers assuming it was designed properly.

Perhaps a lightning strike? Perhaps sabotage?

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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:34 PM
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10. No lightning per weather service. Could have been a power surge;
Power had been out in that area earlier, and there were numerous outages countywide due to the storm.

Sabotage seems very unlikely - if someone wanted to take out power for the region there are targets that would have wiped out power for a far broader area. Plus there were 75 mph winds, snow falling, and no witnesses saw anyone who didn't belong there.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 01:08 AM
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18. I was not thinking sabotage as in someone wanted to cause a mass outage
I was thinking more of it being sabotage by someone specifically singling out windmills for a political/economic agenda such as people who build/run coal plants or eco-terrorists who think it will save birds or neighbors or developers who have NIMBY issues, etc.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 02:48 AM
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20. well...I'm told the windturbines have a few bullet holes...
Edited on Sun Feb-14-10 02:49 AM by Liberty Belle
some of the neighbors haven't been too happy about these things through the years and this is redneckville. But the bullets never stopped 'em before. Not sure how someone would sabotage the things.

There has been eco-terrorism in SD before, but those guys always leave notes claiming credit.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:39 PM
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11. Obviously the design is faulty...
wouldnt a cage of mesh wire around the blades...just like on a house fan save the lives of birds?

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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:41 PM
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14. I've often wondered about that.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:59 PM
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16. Helix wind turbines: Claim to be safe for birds and bats
http://www.helixwind.com/en/faq.php#faq-59

Does anybody know anything more about this product? Or any other wind turbines that are safer for birds?

Bats, incidentally, can die of exploded lungs even if they don't strike the blades in a wind farm, because of changes in the air pressure.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-13-10 11:40 PM
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12. 1300 birds/year die at Altamont Wind Farm in CA
This video is an eye-opener: how can we just throw these things up with no effort to protect our wild birds? Raptors including owls and eagles are being tortured and decimated by these things - how can this be allowed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtgBWNKwBkE
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 01:22 AM
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19. if there is a fault, has anyone tried to contact the manufacturer?
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 02:49 AM
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21. Yes, and they're keeping mum. Didn't return any of my calls.
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