David Frum on Tea baggers....great

[medeak]

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/feb/14/principled-conservative-odds-movement/


Frum expressed dismay at what has become of “the movement,” as its adherents lovingly call it.
He said of the Bush years, sheepishly, “They were less than a complete success.”
The response he hears to this assertion, he said, is, “We weren’t there. That wasn’t us. (Bush) wasn’t a true conservative.”
That, Frum said, is a cop-out. “Conservatives would do well to say, ‘There are some things we got right, some things we got wrong. What can we learn?’ ”
And then he added: “I see a great commitment to nonlearning among conservatives.”

[mdmc]

1. who is David Frum?

[medeak]

3. even the right dark side despises the baggers...lol

David Frum’s conservative credentials are unimpeachable. He wrote for the conservative journal National Review for 25 years, was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush, and even wrote a book with Richard Perle, a man known in liberal quarters as the “Prince of Darkness.”

[mdmc]

thanks for the info..

[Ernesto]

9. Frum invented the term "Axis of Evil" for chimpy

How'd that work out stupid?

[Darth_Kitten]

10. You are kidding, right?

n/t

[butterfly77]

13. Bush's speechwriter..

and he is full of shit.

[HillbillyBob]

2. frum = media whore for the reich

[Don Caballero]

4. Frum is a Neo Con

NeoCons should be ignored. Not saying I like the Teabaggers but this guy has zero credibility.

[Possumpoint]

5. Conservatives Learn?

Conservatism is born when young broad minds and narrow waists age and trade spaces. Experience teaches a set of working values to a person and they begin to believe that that is the only way things work. I speak from experience, being 63+ years old and tend to be rather conservative in my values.

[Journeyman]

6. Interesting article. Nice to read that conservatives continue to fragment. . .

And if the scorn of (what passes for) conservative thinking helps to diffuse and disband the Teabaggers, I'm all for it. For though Frum may heap ridicule and scorn on Palin and the Teabaggers, in the process he exposes the bankruptcy of the conservatism that spawns such idiocy, and that can only be good.

[medeak]

8. thanks for verbiage

fragmenting yes...it gives hope

[lunatica]

7. He's just now seeing the great committment to non learning?!

Doesn't he know Sarah Palin is the end result of 48 years of determined non-learning?

[badgerpup]

11. This is the bit that got me...

and 'conservative' doesn't necessarily equal 'evil', m'K?
Apparently this guy doesn't need a glass navel to see where he's going.

He said the issues that animate him, and that he hopes will draw the attention of conservative thinkers and the voting public, are the unsustainable growth of health care costs; the rise of undemocratic nations, such as China, into economic powerhouses; stagnant incomes; immigration and the lack of upward mobility among America’s poorest; and the bioethical quandaries presented by scientific advances that will grant unfathomable genetic advantages to the children of the well-off.

During the forum’s question period, one interlocutor asked Frum, in a vaguely accusatory way, if this didn’t sound like an issue list for liberals.
:banghead:

Well...maybe, because it's going to affect EVERYBODY. That's the sorta thing that concerns liberals. :shrug:


Emphasis and icons mine

[driver8]

12. I can't stand that weasel.

He was one of the biggest defenders of Bush throughout the years -- fuck him.

[snagglepuss]

14. +1

[MicaelS]

15. This really explains the difference between left and right

And, he said, government should lag behind social change, not engineer it with programs, legislation or judicial decisions.

That is the most succinct explanation for the difference between the right and left mindset I have ever read.