today's accepted teen excuse for getting preg. "I was drunk"

[ensho]

and every other problem they have.

watching all the reality shows that deal in any way with teens, one comes to hear over and over and over again, "I was drunk".

and parents, TV hosts, etc. say 'oh, ok' and let it pass.

as if that's a perfectly good reason for a pregnancy. as if teen drunkeness was ok too.

we have teens by the thousands (millions?) who by the time they are adults will be alcoholics.

sex abuse also leads to teen drinking. and we know child sex abuse is rampant in the US.

our children deserve better from us adults.

------------------

(this excuse is also given by men and women who cheat on mates/SOs. 'I didn't mean it, I was drunk. please forgive me.')

(and please don't post that 'all' reality shows are set-ups and not real. - teen drinking is real)

[Don Caballero]

1. Kids under 18 should not be allowed to give birth

They are not ready and the planet is not ready. I wish there was a way to restrict births/enforce abortions to those underage.

[SallyMander]

4. You missed the boarding call

for that particular batshit-crazytrain

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7706514&mesg_id=7706514

[seabeyond]

8. so you oppose pro choice? nt

[Don Caballero]

11. I am for one child policies/kids not having kids

I believe in a massive increase in abortion. The impending climate catastrophes we face from overpopulation are directly related to too many children being born.

[seabeyond]

13. so you are anti pro choice. say it as you will. and all the males linked into computer per dna

every baby put in that computer. first preg by that male gets snipped

[Don Caballero]

15. Agreed. Males and females should have limited reproductive rights

If we wish to reverse the damage done to our planet we must stop bringing polluters onto it.

[seabeyond]

17. not gonna happen. but you certainly have your right to your opinion. there would be all kinds

of major problems with the thinking....

but cool enough with what you believe

thanks

[farmout rightarm]

21. You're right but humans won't ever agree to the drastic measures that're needed.

The population bomb will eventually go off, though and solve the problem with or without our assistance- but not until things get very very ugly.
:shrug:

[Don Caballero]

23. China is able to enforce a one child policy.

Why can't all other countries do this? Something must be done very soon or our Planet will forever be wrecked.

[seabeyond]

29. and they kill off their girl baby. utopia. wtf? nt

[farmout rightarm]

30. I wonder how effective their efforts really are, though...

Thing is, that sort of population control, regardless of how necessary it really is, is anathema to most western societies. :shrug:

[Don Caballero]

31. The West needs to grow up and understand that overpopulation

will kill Earth. Abortion/Birth control policies should have been in place for at least fifty years by now. The ideal population of the planet is under a billion people.

[seabeyond]

33. in this growing up, please address murdering girl baby cause of the value of boy baby.

this woman wants to know about my worthlessness in your society

[cali]

38. the west is not the problem when it comes to overpopulation, dear.

I despise totalitarians.

[farmout rightarm]

45. I had to laugh at that one...yes let's put all the burden on the 3rd worlders.

Nice.

[cali]

67. I don't believe in putting the burden of this on anyone.

I'm simply responding to the poster who doesn't seem to understand that the vast majority of population growth is not in the so-called western countries.

[muriel_volestrangler]

86. Developed countries use more resources per capita, though

Fossil fuel, water, land (to support a diet with more meat in it) and so on. So overpopulation is already a problem in developed countries, whether or not their populations are growing at the moment. I don't advocate forced abortion or sterilization, unlike some on this thread, but policies that encourage smaller families would be good.

[Warren DeMontague]

92. Right, but the "debate" such-as-it-is, is about overpopulation.

If a country like the US is maintaining a replacement birth rate, is the argument that somehow we just need less Americans? None? :shrug: ... is that logical? We need to cut the US population by how much, in that case? And can we mention the fact that a great deal of US population growth is currently being driven by immigration, not by SUV driving breeder yuppie-puppies?

Is the fact that Japan, for instance, is fielding a less than replacement birth rate actually improving population-related stresses in, say, Africa? How does that work?

None of that addresses the "population problem", which as has been noted, exists mostly in 3rd world countries, countries with poverty, country where women don't have a lot of self-determination, countries without access to contraception, etc.

What the control freaks simply don't want to accept or acknoweldge is this: In places where people can run their own lives, make their own decisions, are not heavily oppressed by religious or other "authorities"--- and have ready access to birth control, the "population problem" manages itself just fine.

[csziggy]

97. I agree with your premise if one word is changed in your final statement

In places where women can run their own lives, make their own decisions, are not heavily oppressed by religious or other "authorities"--- and have ready access to birth control, the "population problem" manages itself just fine.

[Warren DeMontague]

106. women aren't people?

Funny, I would think that women would be included in any Venn diagram that consisted of "people". So I'm not really sure what the problem is, unless you think ONLY women should have access to birth control, or ONLY women should be allowed to run their own lives and make their own decisions.

(Note: When we're talking about the choice of, say, remaining pregnant or not, I think that choice should reside with the person in whom the pregnancy takes place. So until men can get pregnant, that would be a case of women making their own decisions, yes)

[csziggy]

108. Women are more often in the position of having control of their lives taken away

And in most of the cases I have read where small scale re-shaping of cultures from the bottom up have been successful, the the projects where women are the targets and the people who have been empowered have been most effective.

As you say, women are the ones who must carry the pregnancies - and too often women alone must ensure the survival of the children, so they are the ones who need the most control and who too often have it taken from them.

I am not putting this very well - it's been a long day and I am tired.

[Warren DeMontague]

109. Everyone should control his or her own life, decisions, and personal choices.

Certainly, in most countries with population problems, women are the ones who need the access to the contraception and the rights of self-determination, no doubt. It's unfortunate, but in many cultures, places and situations, some men don't seem to be reliable when it comes to birth control. :shrug:

I just am of the opinion everyone needs to be able to run their own life. Including women.

[Warren DeMontague]

91. Birth rates by nation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_fertility_rate

[Lost-in-FL]

42. Don't you worry about the earth.

The earth will be just fine after our "human-engineneered" extintion. Earth will get rid of us as fast as a horse sweeps the flies away with its tail the minute overpopulation reaches critical levels.

Earth will let us know the ideal population in this planet, not you. :hi:

[farmout rightarm]

44. Of course, but we can make the transition a lot less painful if we take action before

that point. People who never get born never have regrets. :shrug:

[Lost-in-FL]

50. I just don't see the need to take such strong measures.

In the end (IMO) these measures are as bad as forced pregnancies. Sexual urges are there to stay. It is part of our humanness. Lets be honest, we can educate our kids all we want but in the end, when they are on their own with their boy/girlfriend they might or not listen to what we taught them and this is purely biological. Education help a great deal but it is not absolute. We just have to change our approach and attitude about teen pregnancy, it is not the end of the world.

It might be true that people who never get born never have regrets but those who make the desicion might have regrets.

[farmout rightarm]

54. Okay, who in this thread has said people shouldn't fuck? I haven't seen that.

:eyes:

[Lost-in-FL]

62. I didn't...

... but you know pregnancies do occur from "fucking" and to a lesser extent from "in-vitro fertilization", right?

[farmout rightarm]

71. Sure but putting a rubber on a Petri dish is an inexact science.

:silly:

[Lost-in-FL]

75. I think teens lack appreciation for "in-vitro"

They prefer going 'vintage' or 'retro'.

[SallyMander]

27. The answer is education and birth control

for the MILLIONS of women who don't have access to it. This has been shown to be the "green technology" with the best economic return by far.

[Lost-in-FL]

56. Contraception is the "greenest technology".

http://www.greentechnologydaily.com/tips/566-contraception-is-greenest-technology


Are condoms and birth control pills more cost effective than windmills and solar panels as tools to curb global warming?

Yes, and by a wide margin, contends a recent study from the London School of Economics asserting that family planning is nearly five times more cost effective in mitigating global warming emissions than green energy technologies like wind and solar power.

Each $7 spent on basic family planning over the next four decades would reduce global CO2 emissions by more than a ton. To achieve the same result with low-carbon technologies would cost a minimum of $32. The UN estimates that 40 percent of all pregnancies worldwide are unintended.

[cali]

34. totalitartianism is not the answer.

[cali]

32. fortunately your sicko dream

of enforced abortion won't be happening. I have a better idea, honey. Let's just sterilize all men. snip fucking snip. we'll let them freeze a pre-snip spurt of little wrigglers and they'll be allowed to have one child before the rest of them are tossed out.

[Don Caballero]

36. I agree. Men should only be allowed one child and then snipped.

This is not a sexist issue. This is about saving the planet.

[cali]

37. it won't save the planet.

and it won't happen. anyway the planet isn't doomed although human beings may be. The planet may well repair itself when our species dies out. women need information and access to bc and freedom from the fucking patriarchal crap that enslaves them in too many parts of the world.
When that happens population control is the result.

[farmout rightarm]

46. You're right. When humans breed themselves out of existence, all (human) problems

will be over with.

[Lost-in-FL]

66. You got it!

;-)

[seabeyond]

39. yet it becomes a sexism issue when the one example kills their girl babies, adn you refuse to

address. just ignore the visible problem in killing girl babies cause we value the boy baby more?

[Don Caballero]

40. I did not claim the Chinese model to be perfect

I think that killing a child based on sex is disgusting. However with the right regulations and controls this would not happen in the West.

[seabeyond]

41. right regulations and controls this would not happen in the West.

bullshit.

and yes, it is an inevitable to your solution.

there is no pretty solution. no easy way. and to suggest otherwise is being simplist.

[Don Caballero]

43. What solution do you offer?

Just curious.

[LanternWaste]

95. Those countries with both greater access...

Those countries with both greater access to education and wealth have a far smaller birthrate than do the less developed nations. Hence, spread the education and spread the means of wealth.

[farmout rightarm]

47. There is no easy way, that's correct...but there is only one EFFECTIVE way.

And there's the rub.

[seabeyond]

48. now really. we will just kill off all those that dont measure up and only the special breed

really. certain iq, gender, looks, worth, .....

there is another solution for you

[farmout rightarm]

52. Please do not accuse me of saying something I did not.

That's extremely dishonest.

We're talking about birth control, not euthanasia.

[seabeyond]

55. i am not accusing you. i am saying. start these draconian solutions and those in

power will find other measures. hey, lets just desex our babies of all poor people, then they wont be able to reproduce. my point is not that you are suggesting this, my point is once we start taking these measures, .... what will be some of the solutions. we already see the death of too many baby girls in china. this is how people address this issue when harsh law is intact. i can think of all kinds of things happening as repercussions...

[farmout rightarm]

58. Doing nothing will result in Draconian like you can't even begin to imagine.

Even in your wildest dreams. But hey, it's no skin off your nose, you won't be around then.

[seabeyond]

60. no skin off my nose. i have already had my two babies. i am done.

i dont agree with your solution

[farmout rightarm]

70. The fact you put it that way "...my two babies" is a strong indication you DO favor

some limitation on human breeding.

[seabeyond]

72. personal responsibility. i am a HUGE believer in it. about all facets of life

how i chose to live.

yes

i do favor. but i dont favor the kind of restrictions that will absolutely create greater harm

education. condoms. education. pills. education. condom condom condom. education

[farmout rightarm]

78. Don't you get yelled at around here for saying you're in favor of

personal responsibility?

:D
:toast:

[seabeyond]

81. lol lol i get yelled at for all kinds of things at du, lol.

relatively new. welcome

[varelse]

99. DUzy

:spray:

I'm friggin saving this one.

:rofl:

[fishbulb703]

98. This must be where the conservative: pro-death, pro-killing came from

Because this certainly a pro-death-pro-killing, murderous mindset.

[proteus_lives]

19. What a disgusting thing to post.

[Odin2005]

51. What a sick, authoritarian attitude.

[farmout rightarm]

57. There very well may come a day when our descendants will ask

"Why didn't those assholes do something about this when they had the chance. Okay, I'll give you the thousand bucks you want for a quart of water, you you -hoarder- you..."

[Odin2005]

59. Typical totalitarian scaremongering.

"Assimilate or Bad This will happen!" :eyes:

[varelse]

102. Yup

While ignoring the many posts proposing solutions such as the education and empowerment of poor women throughout the world, which have been proven to lower birth rates AND childhood mortality.

[liberal_at_heart]

64. Making a world in which people have no freedoms would be just as bad

as an overpopulated one.

[anonymous171]

65. The only people whose reproductive rates needs to be restricted are the rich. nt

Young and old.

[cali]

69. lol. and the parade of stupid marches on.

[anonymous171]

73. The rich consume the most resources and pollute the planet the most

Theirs is the only population that needs controlling.

[seabeyond]

74. rich have significantly fewer kids.... shruggin. nt

[cali]

80. the rich don't have many kids, genius.

and it's the system not the people that are such a problem.

[anonymous171]

82. Their 2 children probably consume resources more than 10 poor children

It's not about numbers, it's about resources.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

94. Forced abortions do not represent choice or freedom.

[rd_kent]

2. Is this a "prenatal event"? :)

But seriously, I agree that excuses like that are lame. It is unacceptable that we as a society allow these types of excuses to stand.



And I'm just having some fun with you with my headline, don;t get all worked up.

[vadawg]

7. it does seem that today is all about having excuses for behaviour and not accepting the blame

for our actions, its weird to see everybody having excuses ready rather than not doing the behaviour inthe first place... :shrug:

[Catshrink]

3. And when I suspect a student is under the influence

and send the kid for a "wellness check" the parents have a fit. The current rage is to pour it into their Gatorade or water bottles thinking we can't tell. And we can't -- if our suspicions are raised it's because of their behavior.

[ensho]

16. wow, I didn't know teens were doing that in school

sad, totally sad.

[niceypoo]

5. People have sex

It is natural. Even teenagers get the urge. Sorry you cannot accept that fact.

[seabeyond]

10. i didnt hear where she was saying a damn thing about teen not having sex. there are condoms

and other birth control that come to mind. it is about responsibility and since being a teen is about maturing into adult and adult behavior, responsibility in ones choices should be a given. not the tired old teens will be teens. cant expect them to be responsible. even if they are making adult choices in their life

that

is lame

[niceypoo]

22. The other day the OP went on and on about how teenage girls should be forced to get abortions

The op obviously has some sort of hangup when it comes to teenage girls and sex.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7706514&mesg_id=7706514

[seabeyond]

28. shrug. dont know if there is an issue she is experiencing now

that makes this subject relevenet. i also dont see the issue with that thread. a parent taking the decision away from the child into forcing motherhood is a tough call. i dont think anyone under 18 should be a parent. so damn tired of seeing kids do without parents that actually aprent. not likely a kid is going ot do a bang up job.

my personal feeling as a parent is if a kid thinks old enough to play the sex game, better damn well be old enough to be responsible.

i am not raising my kids kids... (i have already told kids). dont want abortion, fine, baby is adopted by people that will take on the responsibility.

best answer

USE A DAMN CONDOM.

it is an issue for parents. it is an issue for kids. it is an issue in todays society.

[Overseas]

6. But let's not ever teach them to use condoms every time. Can't have that.

Teaching kids to protect themselves is scorned as some kind of endorsement of sexual activity, rather than an acknowledgment of reality.

[seabeyond]

12. my kids learned about condoms and other birth control since 5th grade. kids know about

condoms in their world of information. it is ludicrous to suggest kids are getting preg cause they dont know about birth control. it is more reasonable to suggest kids are not making responsible choices when it comes to their sexual activity

[niceypoo]

93. Ya, me too

I drilled that into them from a young age. Too many parents end up raising their grand kids too.

[Overseas]

110. Learning ABOUT condoms and learning to Use Them Every Time are different.

Many people know what condoms are but they aren't raised to use them every time. That's tougher to do than just letting kids know there are these weird uncomfortable plastic things that they really should use if they ever choose to have sex.

There's a difference between giving them the information and making condom use more automatic.

We've spent a lot more energy and resources in the USA on the Just Say No stuff.

[seabeyond]

111. *sigh* of course there is a difference between knowing what a condom is and have parents enforce

reinforce and reinforce again the importance of using condoms, birth control and practicing safe sex. seems to be the issue with most things effecting kids today.... parenting.

teaching a child to be responsible and having self respect is a huge key. having a solid foundation for child to grow up in is important.

then you send the kids out into real world and they make these decision

[Gormy Cuss]

9. This is new?

I had high school classmates who got pregnant while drunk. Most of the pregnancies however were linked to the lack of easy access to sex education and birth control.

[havocmom]

20. Not only NOT new, but not just teens. Whole nation needs a CODA meeting

Too many enablers making too excuses for too many engaged in destructive behaviors.

It should not surprise anyone that teens pick up on behaviors that are too often enabled. They see drunk adults getting away with shit by using tried and true excuses.

[Catshrink]

26. Parents are deeply in denial that their kids are drinking

or using drugs.

[havocmom]

53. Yep

And many are in deep denial about their own too.

[Dr.Phool]

14. I need a drink.

Then I can do something stoopid.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. "Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker." - Dorothy Parker

[farmout rightarm]

25. Yikes, I always assumed that was Ogden Nash

:silly:

[Edweird]

35. Heh. I always knew it as "Wine is fine..."

[Edweird]

24. This is new to you? I'm 39, and a large part of my teenage years

could be described as a drug and alcohol fueled orgy. This was the 80's.
I KNOW the 70's had to have been even crazier.

I realize that there has been a 'conservative' resurgence and all that, but still...

[liberal_at_heart]

49. What are we suppose to do?

My husband and I have had countless talks with our children about drinking, drugs, sex, birth control. I hope some of it sinks in but they're teenagers. It doesn't matter what we as adults do teenagers don't see the danger in what they do. When my husband was a teenager he had a neighbor who got pregnant and her parents threw her out of the house. These were very religious people who didn't accept excuses. They threw her out of the house and the congregation supported the family in their decision. My husband vowed then and there that not only would he not be going back to church he would never turn his back on his daughter if she got pregnant. We have told our daughter to wait to have sex until she is older. We have told her when she does start having sex to get on birth control and use condoms. We have even told her that she needs to be the one to put the condom on the guy incase he screws up and puts it on wrong. But we have also told her that if she ever got pregnant we would be here for her. We would be dissapointed but we would support her and help her. If she came home and said I got pregnant because I was drunk I would be scared for her safety without a doubt. People can do all kinds of things to you when you have no control over your mind or body. I would have many, many, many discussions with her about how getting drunk and losing control you could not only get pregnant you could get a disease. There is no telling what can happen to you when you get that out of control. But I would never turn my back on her. I will always be there for my daughter, for both of my children.

[Odin2005]

61. Today's?

[JVS]

63. Hopefully in the future they'll be honest enough to just say "I was fucking"

[Lost-in-FL]

68. ...

:thumbsup:

[joe_sixpack]

79. That much....

everyone probably figured out on their own. :evilgrin:

[JVS]

89. I'm not sure. The number of people in this thread blaming the booze seems to indicate that the...

subterfuge works on some people.

[Warren DeMontague]

76. My suggestion to you is that you find something better to watch on tv.

Really, I have absolutely no idea what sort of crappo you're talking about, but if I had to guess, recent upticks in teen pregnancy probably have more to do with idiotic "abstinence only" sex ed programs than anything else.


Teens have been having sex, and drinking, for a very long time. It's nothing new.

[surrealAmerican]

77. We have a very disfunctional relationship with alcohol ...

... in this country. People here seem to think drinking means they don't need to take responsibility for their actions. We need to stop telling our children that alcohol is to blame for bad behavior. Then maybe we will stop hearing this from them.

[Tim01]

83. We need tighter controls on alchohol. It is too easy for kids to get alcohol in this country. nt

[Name removed]

84. Deleted message

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[Call Me Wesley]

85. Prohibition!

And no more reality shows: Problem solved!

Honestly, if you actually relate child births to alcohol abuse, then you have a very much one-dimensional view of a problem that is getting way, way deeper (and probably has nothing at all to do with getting drunk.)

In Europe, where the child birth rate is around three-to-five per thousand (US: 53 per thousand,) drinking is legal at the age of 16, and of course, nobody ever asked me my age when I was 14 and ordered a beer. We have sex ed, nudity on the cover of serious news magazines - we know about sex at a very early age, and still, we didn't get all pregnant at once, not even drunk.

Because we knew what condoms were and what birth control was about. Because we were educated; and IMO, herein lies the problem, and it's not getting drunk. It's not being able to get birth control, it's fundamentalist religious households living on a dream that their daughters and sons will remain virgins, so they don't need any condoms or birth control.

But yes, this doesn't answer your 'question' at all, since you don't have a question to start with but an assumption that, on 'reality tv shows,' everything can be excused by 'being drunk.' I don't watch them, so I can't tell if it's true. On the other hand, like in the last thread you started, you seem to concentrate on teen pregnancy, so I gave a few answers and perspectives to that.

[seabeyond]

87. i dont get this. do you really think there is a single kid in this nation that does not know about

condoms and birth control and how a female gets preg?

not that i am pointing the finger at our alcohol consumption. though i do have an issue with this nation and how we do the whole alcohol thing. and there are certainly repercussions from alcohol, but anyway

kids arent using them. they know what they are.

what i hear more from the kids today, girls... is, i want someone to love me. and guys, .... a game to impregnate. messed up, dysfunctional families.

[Call Me Wesley]

88. All I wanted to say it that the problems lies way deeper

than just being drunk. And yes, unfortunately, I do believe that some do not know about how to get pregnant, will not be able to walk into a store and buy condoms and will be refused by their parents to have any access to birth control.

As you said, dysfunctional families and dysfunctional environment. That's probably the main problem.

[20score]

105. I truly wish our population were more enlightened.

The fundamentalist attitude here is down right embarrassing.

[Posteritatis]

90. LOL at the delusion that this is somehow new or unusual (nt)

[Quantess]

96. Yes, hasn't it always been the standard excuse?

[20score]

100. A distant ancestor of mine back in the year 176, wrote that he made it with a Roman soldier's wife.

He got out of a crucifiction by saying, "sorry, I was drunk." Lucky it worked or I wouldn't be here.

[suede1]

107. LOL!

[20score]

101. Dupe.

[DefenseLawyer]

103. Back in my day everything was pure and good.

No really, I swear! It was! You don't know, you weren't there. Pure and good.

[L0oniX]

104. Reminds me of that blonde joke (1 of many). What's the mating call of the blonde?

I'm so drunk. ...I know ...I know ...I didn't come up with that joke. :evilgrin: