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Mon Feb-15-10 08:40 PM
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Isn't praying for death flirting with black magic and the occult? |
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I left religion 20 years ago so I kinda forgot the rules.
Another Du'er pointed this out in another thread about these wingnuts praying for death of the President. So I had to ask to see what others thought.
Personally, I call it a mental illness but in religous circles, usually when people pray for death of another it's a very dark act from a dark heart.
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Mon Feb-15-10 08:43 PM
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1. To me, yes. To them, no. |
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They have a bible verse to back up what they are praying for, so obviously it's A-OK. :eyes:
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Mon Feb-15-10 08:46 PM
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2. It's a BIG no-no in Wicca because of the Law of Threefold Return |
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(and because it's just morally WRONG). The vengeful desert god of Abraham, however, is a bloodthirsty dude and so he likes people to pray for the death of others.
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Mon Feb-15-10 08:52 PM
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5. I think having a son kinda chilled him out. n/t |
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Mon Feb-15-10 09:01 PM
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10. Not if you listen to fundies. They salivate at the prospect of their enemies |
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being burned in that supposed lake of fire.
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Tue Feb-16-10 02:53 AM
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17. that god exists in genesis as two separate beings. I think the god of |
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the old testament is not the same as the one of the new.
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Tue Feb-16-10 09:27 AM
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20. Same God but different circumstances. n/t |
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Tue Feb-16-10 01:10 PM
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25. Perhaps the creator took pity for the plight of humans after walking as one among us. |
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Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 01:14 PM by phasma ex machina
Most interesting how Jesus did not spring fully formed like Athena from the brow of Zeus.
G-d had to obey G-d's very own laws of biology to create Jesus. Similar to a maintenance programmer getting boxed in by the predecessant rules of their own software.
None of the above applies to the simple minded popular notion of god as a omniscient omnipotent white bewhiskered Santa Clausian sky guy. Jesus could indeed spring forth fully formed from the brow of such a Santa Claus god.
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Mon Feb-15-10 08:47 PM
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3. It is mental illness masked with religion. |
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Anybody got some pins for my rush limbaugh and sean hannity voodoo dolls?
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Mon Feb-15-10 08:49 PM
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Prayer = superstitious nonsense? Check!
Black magic = superstitious nonsense? Check!
"the occult" = yet more superstitious nonsense? Check!
Ergo....
"Isn't (superstitious nonsense) flirting with (superstitious nonsense) and (superstitious nonsense)?"
I think that's affirmative, Sparky! :rofl:
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Mon Feb-15-10 08:55 PM
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6. What do your posts have to do |
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with anything? It's like listening to teenage boyz at a sleepover.
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Mon Feb-15-10 08:58 PM
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7. It's more like a blowjob. |
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Mon Feb-15-10 08:58 PM
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. . . jumping right into group sex.
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Mon Feb-15-10 09:00 PM
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9. Karma is not amused either |
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When you wish ill will upon another, you earn paap karma, which can result in being reincarnated as a dung beetle.
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Mon Feb-15-10 09:09 PM
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11. and the wiccan rede says |
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"Do what thy wilt shall be the whole of the law, an' it harm none."
Of course, there's the rule about ill-wishing bringing the ill back on the wisher, threefold.
It doesn't sound like any religion that values harmony.....
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Mon Feb-15-10 09:21 PM
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Besides, double-blind studies have proven prayer has no effect whatsoever.
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Mon Feb-15-10 09:23 PM
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something against it in the Bible. But that probably would have been in the Christian part.
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phasma ex machina
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Mon Feb-15-10 09:45 PM
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16. +1 The New Testament frowns upon praying for the death of an enemy. |
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The Old Testament's warrior poet David arguably offers the best bet for a supplication to end your enemy's life.
But it always must be G-d's will.
Only a true prophet such as Samuel or Nathan can divine G-d's will.
Mere mortals must guard against false prophets.
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Mon Feb-15-10 09:33 PM
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14. No, but it is not a very generous interpretation of the exhortation to pray for one's enemies. |
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Mon Feb-15-10 09:39 PM
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Edited on Mon Feb-15-10 09:43 PM by agent46
It's the usual low intensity thinking that God needs help with divine justice. Lame God. Pathetic sheep. Directing hostile prayer at enemies may be harmless enough to the target but there's always that one deluded dumbass who gets overstimulated and feels called to DO something about it. God's special warriors specialize in stupidity.
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Tue Feb-16-10 05:37 AM
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18. It's just the usual jackasses covering their hateful butts with pious pretense |
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Tue Feb-16-10 06:03 AM
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It is exactly like the devil worship they so abhor. The consolation is, you can't bring evil on a person who does not believe in what you do. Power of suggestion doesn't work that way. Same principle as faith healing. If you don't believe in it, nothing happens, and if it does then you have healed yourself.
I'm sure Obama is not a believer in the power of a bunch of windbags to talk him to death. He probably finds the whole thing as disgusting as we do.
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Tue Feb-16-10 11:06 PM
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27. Beautiful signature line. n/t |
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Tue Feb-16-10 10:02 AM
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21. Black magic usually requires someone praying to a deity |
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other than the one you worship (Wiccans aside).
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Tue Feb-16-10 10:15 AM
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22. I am a Wiccan and for me that type of activity |
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is definitely negative magic. My old high priestess would slapped a binding spell on me quicker than you could blink and have thrown me out of the coven, and made damned sure no other group in the area took me in, if I had done something like it and she heard about it (and believe me, she would have found out - that lady was amazing). I was frankly appalled the first time I read about Christians praying for the death of someone they disliked or disagreed with. Sadly, it has become relatively common these days in certain Christian circles, mostly those that go in for "spiritual warfare", that I hardly blink an eye upon hearing it is happening. I would say that it's not occult, which simply means hidden, because most of these Christian groups are very open about what they are doing. And if you were to point out that they are practicing negative or black magic, they would angrily refute you saying that such imprecatory prayers (as I recall, that's the technical term for what they are doing) are found in the Bible and so are ok with God. Yeah, ok, whatever. My deities would whap me upside the head for doing something like that.
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Tue Feb-16-10 10:19 AM
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23. Just wait til they attack with Ouija Boards!! |
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ooga booga!
I vote mental illness all the way for superstitious wishes in any form...............
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Tue Feb-16-10 10:37 AM
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24. Most organized religions prohibit imprecatory prayer |
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Some go so far as to condemn a sentiment to the tune of "I hope those fire engines are racing towards someone else's house, not mine."
As most religions incorporate an element of karma, divine retribution, call it what you will, it seems particularly ironic to pray for the misfortune of another.
However, as I have no religion and accept no deity, it's perfectly OK for me to say "I hope those scumbags die in a fire," because I know my words will have absolutely no effect. Sorry, I don't believe in karma, either. I wish it was true, but I've seen too much to know that the world doesn't work that way.
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30. For some, its sufficient to slap the label "Chrisitan" onto their actions, regardless |
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