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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:06 AM
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China Has a Plan, America Doesn't
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,678026,00.html

America has been squandering money it borrowed from the Chinese. Instead of criticizing China's monetary policy, US President Barack Obama should acknowledge the financial skill being displayed by the new world power and learn a few useful lessons.
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So it may come as no surprise that the embattled US president, Barack Obama, is continuing where his predecessor George W. Bush left off: complaining about the Chinese. Obama recently said China's monetary policy was hurting the US job market. That strikes a chord with Americans. It's even true. But it doesn't make any difference.

The US is the world's biggest debtor and therefore not in the best position to get its way with the People's Republic of China. Of each dollar that Obama wants to spend in 2010, over 30 cents are borrowed. And a large part of the loan comes from China.
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The Chinese don't borrow, they save. And they do this with the kind of dedication with which the Americans spend. An ordinary Chinese person puts 40 percent of his or her salary into their bank account, while an ordinary American saves at most 3 percent. The People's Bank of China has hoarded over $2 trillion in currency reserves. America meanwhile has a small dollar reserve and an XXL-sized budget deficit which currently stands at just under $14 trillion.
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China Becoming a Mini World Bank

America by contrast is self-absorbed with its monetary policy. It has ignored warnings of rising inflation and a new asset price bubble -- and in doing so is isolating itself, also from the Europeans. In the meantime, China is forging new alliances.

The People's Republic has quietly been taking stakes in virtually all the world's regional development banks. Like a mini-World Bank, China has been helping to shore up financially troubled countries in Latin America, Africa and Asia. It has also increased its stake in the International Monetary Fund, by $50 billion. Chinese monetary experts, not Chinese soldiers, have been driving the nation's expansion -- silently and efficiently.

The oil business is the foundation of the dollar's hegemony. The oil-producing states do some $2.2 trillion dollars' worth of business each year in the US currency. Larry Summers, Obama's top economic adviser, once compared the dollar to the English language in terms of its importance to international trade.

But China, a huge consumer of oil, is already discussing alternative means of payment with its suppliers. It would like to pay in yuan. The oil states wouldn't be able to use that currency worldwide, but they could make purchases in China. That, by contrast, would be like learning Mandarin.

China is talking down the dollar to serve its own interests. When the dollar depreciates against the euro and the yen, the yuan declines as well, because the Chinese currency is pegged to the dollar. And the declining yuan helps boost Chinese exports to Europe and elsewhere in Asia.

China now sells significantly more goods in Europe than it does in America. Rarely has a government used the instruments of state monetary policy in such a calculated way. Obama is complaining, China keeps on growing and we're all confused.

The economics textbooks never imagined a planned economy that was also run so cleverly. The world of planned economies is "a completely paralyzed, artificially distorted, pseudo-order incapable of reaction," Ludwig Erhard, the former German chancellor and economy minister widely credited with engineering Germany's post-war economic miracle, once said. It would "collapse like a pack of cards."

If he were alive today, Erhard would definitely change his mind, given Asia's successes. That's because China has a plan, and America apparently doesn't.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:14 AM
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1. i have a plan.
let's bring our jobs back from China and then we won't need to borrow from China.
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:15 AM
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4. I think they are coming back......at Chinese wages...n/t
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:22 AM
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6. At Chinese wages .. with Chinese bosses.
Meet your new masters. Now, get back to work.

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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:25 AM
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8. 'Our' jobs?
Did you think you owned them?
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:14 AM
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2. 'China now sells significantly more goods in Europe
than it does in America'

Mmmhmmm.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:15 AM
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3. It's a lot easier to plan when you don't have to debate the details.
Hell, we could've had a lock-solid plan if it weren't for that pesky free speech/democracy thing.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:16 AM
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5. Planning works
As opposed to ideology, be it of the communist, Islamic, or free-market capitalist variety.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:27 AM
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9. Yes, it does.
There seems to be some kind of phobia against planning, and I don't know why because it works.

You don't get anywhere if you don't plan to go.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:22 AM
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7. fascinating, thanks for posting k r nt
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:47 AM
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10. You're welcome
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:58 AM
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11. knr - while we were invading Iraq and Afghanistan, China was making ...
deals with other countries for resources.

:shrug:

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:18 PM
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12. The irony is overwhelming. We wanted them to become capitalists.
Now that they are, we whine because they're so much better at it than we are.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:25 PM
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13. China is a dictatorship. Enlightened in some ways, but the fact makes it easier for them
to act.
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:29 PM
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14. Well India is a democracy,
with 1.2B people and many languages and religions, yet they are managing the same thing.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:47 PM
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16. Good point! nt
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 12:41 PM
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15. China has over a billion people living in the 19th century
...and we're supposed to take a page out of their book?

Right. :eyes:
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:03 PM
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17. Well they're not living in the 19th century,
and they had an 8.7% growth rate last year.

Wouldn't hurt to examine it.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:06 PM
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18. Yeah...China's megacities are growing. Meanwhile, the mainland languishes
Maybe YOU ought to examine the situation.

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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:06 PM
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21. China is growing all over, and centers are being
connected by high-speed rail.

Does China still have problems? Of course it does. Massive ones. I didn't say it was Nirvana, I said they turned their country around in 20 years, and it might be a good idea to look into it. Would THAT kill you?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:19 PM
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19. This is what obscene money does to people's minds - it makes then think they are a chosen people
Chinese would do better to cease their Middle Kingdom condescensions, like Islam, periodically, throughout the day: and praise faintly so as to save her demure, passionless hegemonic doll-like face from the fact that Western economies packed up and sent their jobs to China to alleviate her failed communism and balance her books she is now so prideful regarding http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJjeDfZW1yc

"China Becoming a Mini World Bank" that is cute but more like the WalMart-tization of China's relationship with the world - we received an offer from a firm here in the states, to perform some design & production services for a brand new Chinese bank that bought a stake in Discover CC's

I understand some have no qualms about the ways they make money, including the Texas firm doing China's bidding (maybe that's how some states have lower jobless claims who knows :shrug:), but we turned the offer down don't expect a medal just say'n
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HeresyLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 02:09 PM
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22. And who would that be?
I find the assertions in here hilarious.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 01:24 PM
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20. K&R.
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