Please - DO NOT POLITICIZE THE PLANE CRASH.

[Writer]

Not yet, at least.

I've read the screed the alleged pilot posted, and I refuse to categorize his intentions as being anything other than anti-IRS. Liberal? Conservative? He doesn't fit either category.

Not yet.

Edit to add link to screed: http://embeddedart.com/

[Jennicut]

1. We have no idea, other then he was a nut job who almost burned his own family alive.

And apparently wanted to take out some others too. But no one knows his political leanings or if he was apolitical.

[gateley]

2. I just read something that said there was a domestic dispute at home... I hadn't

heard about the screed. Where can I find it?

And, I think both RW and LW are united in our disgust with the IRS. So I'm with you -- I don't think his political leanings play a part in this. Yet.

[dgibby]

31. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464

CNN just read some of it on air. He posted it on his own web site.

[gateley]

32. Thanks! nt

[WeDidIt]

3. More like a Libertarian/Sovereign Citizen type.

Way far out wack job.

[Duer 157099]

4. Sounds to me like he was just fed up with how the system works

He figured it out and he did what he felt was his only option.

Frankly he seems more on the left side of the spectrum imho.

I can't say I find anything he wrote that I disagree with.

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[Oregone]

6. Crazy is beyond a political label

I think when things like this comes, everyone clamours to claim he is on the other side. This guy? All over the map. Sounds like a dissapointed and unhappy person that hates everything that he could blaim for his failure (taxes, captialism, politicians, etc)

[Windy]

7. 100% guarantee you that Beck/Fox will say he is a liberal

and an obama supporter based on the fact that he didn't mention Obama in the rant and based upon the last two lines, where he seems to speak favorably of communism...

I'm taking wagers....anyone?

[msanthrope]

12. Freepers are already calling him an anti-Christian communist---

Because he made reference to Catholic Church sex scandals and because of his last two lines about communism/capitalism...

I'm betting a Libertarian....with a Freeper id.

[Ganja Ninja]

19. No they'll play up the guys anti tax rant as if everyone is at the end ...

of their rope because of "the Democrats sky high taxes".

[Randall Flagg]

8. His "manifesto" was all over the place.

You could make him look like whatever you wanted to by cherry-picking lines.

About the only thing that is a certainty is that he was frustrated/pissed at the IRS/Government/Big Business.

[Ozymanithrax]

9. It does fit with fringe anti-government feelings found on right and left fringes...

[Jennicut]

15. Totally. He was angry at the govt. and at big corps. Libertarian types

can lean left or right.

[ShortnFiery]

22. Bullshit! What's referred to as "the left fringe" would be considered "mainstream democrats"

during the 1970s. Our nation has politically moved so damn far to the right, many don't remember what TRUE LEFT FRINGE was in this nation: Communism.

[Doctor_J]

26. left fringes? Like who?

Please name a lefty who's attacked a government building in the last 40 years.

I'll hold

[Ozymanithrax]

38. The anti-government feelings arn't so unusual, even around here.

You don't have to attack a government building to be left fringe. ELF, certainly qualifies as do similar groups.

But the strong anti-government tone is not unusual here,though it is always tied to the strong belief that corproations rule the world.

[DainBramaged]

10. Sorry I have read and saved it and formulated an opinion

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt;

[Ganja Ninja]

11. You know it's going to be.

The guy had a beef with the IRS. How long do you think it will take FOX to switch from Islamophobia to "High taxes are driving people to commit suicide and it's all the Democrats fault".

[Spazito]

13. The only thing consistent in his post is that he was VERY anti-tax...

which leads me to believe he is more in the Libertarian corner than any other.

[suffragette]

35. My first thought as well

[BlueGirlRedState]

14. Too close for comfort

Yes, please don't politicize this...

I read this guy's manifesto and he's all over the place. Whatever his grievances, whatever his political leanings, he has no right to take lives, or worse, condemn others to the hell that is burned flesh. I used to work about a mile from that building in another 7-story office. It could easily be me... or my daughter... or your son.

Mr. Stack, you were a selfish bastard to the end.

[Ganja Ninja]

17. Yup. Sorry his high paying career didn't work out for him but ...

there are an awful lot of people that live paycheck to paycheck and they don't kill their families and run amok.

[Justitia]

16. Anti-tax, anti-government nutjob. Spent yrs trying to not pay taxes, divebombs the IRS. -eom

[uppityperson]

18. yet it isn't political, I guess?

[Justitia]

23. Well, it's political in that he was anti-gov't, but I don't think it mattered WHO was in charge.

[Throd]

20. Too late.

[Uzybone]

21. Lets hope not, because he sounds like a very far left anti govt nut

far enough to the left that he sounds like a Right winger

[ShortnFiery]

25. I can't believe the IGNORANCE! He was clearly *right* wing. Don't muddy the water with clear

disinformation. That job is for the M$M.

[Uzybone]

29. Really, when they are that far gone it doesn't matter if they are Left or right

they are just nuts.

[ShortnFiery]

30. Not legally: It's domestic TERRORISM.

[aquart]

39. Why? Was he part of an organized group?

[Justitia]

41. Was Timothy McVeigh?

[Doctor_J]

24. Yes, we certainly don't want to intrude on the right wing's politicization of it

:eyes:

[Joanne98]

27. He hated the health care system too. He sounds like an independent.

[ShortnFiery]

28. His ACTIONS were that of "a terrorist" = remember TWO innocent people are unaccounted for? eom

[BurtWorm]

33. He clearly intended this as a political act.

I think a lot of people who read his manifesto will be shocked to find themselves nodding their heads in agreement.

[nc4bo]

34. I don't think he fits any category (right now) and I'm sure many people would agree

with him on at least some of his points.

For now I think of him as a very angry, desperate and disturbed individual who felt like he had no more options left but to lash out.

Honestly, how many Joe Stacks are walking amongst us right now? How many feel like they're being pushed to the breaking point with no way out? How many of us are ticking time bombs of emotion?

I could never condone what this man did (allegedly) but I can allow myself understand it.

Of course, all I'm doing is playing a guessing game with sketchy information as a source.

[gratuitous]

36. I'd agree, except for one inescapable fact

And that is that when someone turns to violence against other persons, it's nearly always a conservative. Yes, some liberal types will torch an SUV or some other environmental degrader, which earns them the sobriquet "eco-terrorist," and there have been instances of tree-spiking from long ago. But usually if someone is acting out against the powers that be and looking to take others down with him, it's a conservative.

Liberal and conservative people might have difficulties with the IRS. The liberals I've known deal with that by reducing their taxable income to nothing, or by refusing to pay that portion of their taxes to objectionable programs (sequestering that money to another program more to their liking). But if someone is taking direct action against IRS personnel, it's nearly always been a conservative. And I'll go even further to say that it's probably an arrested development type who wants all the forms and structures of a civilized society, but doesn't want to have to pay for them.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

37. Why does everything have to be Liberal or Conservative

He was pissed, mentally ill and did something cowardly.

[Call Me Wesley]

40. You just used political categories in your OP.

I'm not sure I understand your question or why it really matters. As sad as it is, he sure thought of it as a 'political act.'