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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:04 PM
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Joe Stack Pictures: First Photos of Alleged Austin IRS Plane Crasher
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 06:06 PM by Jennicut
NEW YORK Friends and former bandmates of Joseph Andrew Stack, also known as Joe Stack, have confirmed to CBS News that these photographs show the man alleged to have crashed an airplane into an Austin office complex.

On Thursday, Billy Eli, the leader of a band by the same name that Stack played in, confirmed that the above photos show Stack.

Eli said he was shocked. "Clearly there was crazy in him but it must have been way in the back of his head," he said. "It wasn’t who Joe was."






http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/18/crimesider/entry6221055.shtml

I do wonder if his friends and family saw this coming.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:06 PM
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1. Perfect. A bass player.
Always just out of the loop, just in the background, never really quite the star.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:07 PM
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2. beat me to it. i was married to one.
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winstars Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:31 PM
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18. A GUITARIST WOULD NEVER DO THIS!!!

A singer would be wayyyy too narcissistic to do it, a drummer could never be so together to do so many, many tasks all in a row, now a keyboard player would, as usual, take too much time setting all his equipment (plans) and then would get busted before carrying it out, BUT a bass player, oh yeah, I could definately see that... A together sort of guy, not really in the limelight, but wishing he was, not too creepy, but something along those lines. The vibe is: "Hey I may only have 4 strings but..." You know the type... Bass player... Did they say things like--- Joe Stack, he was always right there in the pocket!!! Right there!!! I guess he 'locked in' with that building earlier... YIKES

With all apologies due to those who were hurt terribly by this asshole this morning.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:16 AM
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23. you hit this nail on the head...and i'm thinking the exact same words have been
spoken over many beers tonight in nashville, austin and other music towns.

drummer would either be sleeping or fighting with his stripper girlfriend...songwriter too busy networking...guitar players are too ditzy to focus on political grievances... but bass players...bass players are perfectionists, and everyone else is slacking and too loud -- completely deserving of their disdain.
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winstars Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 02:51 AM
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24. Thank You

I see that we both have been around too many musicians in our lives!!! LOL
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:10 PM
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4. I was a drummer. Our bass player had an extremely long cord and could walk off stage and into the
crowd. It was like he wanted to be the only one getting attention.

(drummers can be pretty squirrelly too!)
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:14 PM
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6. Hey, I'm a bass player!
Well OK maybe that's a reaonable description of me. But drummers were always the freaky ones.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:16 PM
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7. How do ya know when there's a drummer at the door?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:28 PM
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15. He sounds just like Land Shark?
:shrug:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:30 PM
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17. Nope. The knock speeds up! n/t
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:23 PM
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10. Hey! My SO is a bass player and he's the star of my life!

:P

And he's a really amazing musician too. And brilliant. And a creative genius. And muscular and tall. And he smells good.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:47 PM
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21. LOL!
He smells good? :rofl:
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:28 PM
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14. yeah, like, say, sting or paul mccartney?
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:37 PM
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20. Obviously not.
No, more like the typical bass player who, if he (or she) is really good, knows his job is to make the band work right, but that only the other players are going to understand and appreciate what he's doing, but that he'll never be in the starring role.

Or if he's not so good, then just stumbling along as the "third guitar player" or the one who got last choice when the band was put together.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:10 PM
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3. Wow... the media is really slow reporting on those who knew him
Supposedly he had a wife and 12 yo stepdaughter living in the house he burned down. One report said they drove up just as the house was burning down and were "staying in a hotel according to friends." Now, I'm not suggesting his wife and stepdaughter be hounded in their grief, but surely his work colleagues, neighbors--even his ex-wife might have been located by now? I think investigative reporting skills have gone by the wayside. Maybe we need to put the paparazzi on it (e.g., TMZ) :eyes:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:12 PM
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5. Shit. Bassists are usually so cool
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 06:14 PM by upi402
WTF?
But yeah, they can loop out worse than drummers when they go.

edit to add; by the pics I can see it's light outside, so he's not really a musician... nor a vampire I suppose.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:18 PM
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8. I don't think he was insane
an insane person would tell people that he was planning this.

Again, sanity, is not equal to morality and his actions are reprehensible.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:20 PM
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9. Unstable is more apt, He was a software engineer
But not sure if he was untreated for this instability or mental illness, whichever.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:26 PM
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13. I expect this story to go away in a few days
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 06:28 PM by AllentownJake
The guy is not a clear villain like McVeigh and Nichols were and his manifesto has bits of truth in it that will resonate with a lot of people. It doesn't sound crazy, in context of the anger of the actions of all the controlling institutions in society over the past 3 years.

That being said, this was a guy angry at the actions of the Austin branch of the IRS who went and got revenge on that branch. His suicide/homicide note spells out his reasoning for it, and also throws in some populist rhetoric to try to paint himself as more sympathetic because, he knows what he was about to do was morally wrong, he didn't care.

His instability appears at this time to be caused with having to deal with the consequences of evading taxes, those consequences would make most people unstable.

Again, actions reprehensible, murder and violence as a solution are not justified by his circumstance or his political beliefs.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:26 PM
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11. My dad is a bassist and very laid back
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:26 PM
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12. I wonder if he was a Teeper.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:16 PM
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22. I just read his "screed" ...
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 07:20 PM by zbdent
if he was a Teaper, he was a recent convert ... anytime you hear "taxpayer revolt", you tend to think TPs ...

lots of left-wing rants re: Arthur Anderson, health care industry ... but then hits "corrupt unions", GM execs, Moynihan ...

so he could have been a recent convert ... especially when you buy into the RW rant that only "conservatives" are working and creating stuff ...

edited to add link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35461747/ns/us_news-life
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 10:38 AM
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25. And not paying taxes would be very Freeper/teeperish.
Just like corporations, they want a special break.
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obamaisbestone Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:28 PM
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16. This guy just did not want to pay taxes.
He could have sold his airplane and paid off the IRS. He was dodging taxes all of his adult life.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:37 PM
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19. now it all makes sense
bass player, go figure :P

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