The country's been screwed and Tiger Woods didn't do it.

[Cyrano]

You might not agree with me, but over 90% of the men in the world, given Tiger's sexual opportunities, would take them. (Psst, your hubby's no different.)

Most professional athletes are hit on every night of their lives in their hotel lobbies or bars. And how many of them do you think say "No?"

Yet, Tiger is getting media coverage while the majority of us, who are fucked every single day, hour, and minute of our lives by our government representatives, and those who own them, get scant coverage.

I really don't care who Tiger is screwing. I'm more concerned with going after those who are screwing us. But here's the problem. There are too many of them, and they have unlimited dollars behind them.

They control any and all medical care we get or don't get, the job market, the ongoing health of Social Security, the minimum wage, the interest you pay on your credit cards, your house and everything else you pay for over time. You are nothing to them but an oasis of cash. They don't care whether you live or die, as long as they get your last buck before you're buried.

So when you look at it in that light, do you really care who Tiger is screwing. Or are you more interested in who's screwing you and how little power you have to make it stop. Hmmm, "make it stop." I guess that could be called rape.

So what are we going to do about it? Or, more to the point, what can we do about it?

[MineralMan]

1. Speak for yourself only, Cyrano.

Your 90% number does not reflect real life. Not at all. Most men have had the opportunity to cheat. Most men do not cheat.

Since your first point isn't true, where does that leave the rest of your argument?

[Cyrano]

2. I have no idea what planet you live on

"Cheating" as it's called is nothing more than a matter of opportunity.

Most men, given the opportunity, will "cheat."

There's an old saying: "A hard on has no conscience."

Most men, if doped up with sodium pentathal, will admit to the truth of this. And will also admit to how many times they have "cheated."

As for you ladies reading this thread, I have no idea how many women will "cheat" if given the opportunity. But trust me on this. Not many men will walk away from the opportunity to get laid whenever possible. And any man who disagrees about this is either lying, or is one of a very, very rare breed.

[MineralMan]

3. You're making a common logical error. You're judging the whole

by a small part. Now, what you say may apply to you, but it doesn't to me. Most men, actually, will decline such an opportunity. That's why they can call themselves men, instead of boys.

Your basic premise is incorrect, so your reasoning is flawed.

[MineralMan]

5. So you wish. It is not true. Most men will not do as you say.

Most men take their permanent relationships seriously and do not violate that trust.

You can say I'm wrong as often as you wish, but it is not true.

I've walked away from the opportunity many times in my life. At my advanced age, I doubt there will be a lot more such opportunities, but I can absolutely guarantee that I would do the same again.

I'm far from alone in this.

[Cyrano]

6. Believe what you will. Who am I to destroy anyone's fantasy world?

[MineralMan]

11. What fantasy? For most people, trust and honor

are important. For those who don't consider those important, I feel nothing but pity.

A man who will cheat on his wife will cheat on anyone. Such a man is not to be trusted with anything important. That's what my father taught me, and he was right. I've seen it many times. A cheating husband is a person I will not trust with a confidence, with my money, or to do my business. Often, I don't know whether a person is a dishonorable cheat, but, if I discover it, that is the last trust I will have in him. Same thing applies to women.

I can think of no more important position of trust than marriage. If a guy can't even maintain that level of trust, how can I trust him with anything? So, I don't.

[dionysus]

14. i think the OP cheats on his wife with hookers. that is, if anyone would ever marry him.

:shrug:

[MineralMan]

17. I know absolutely nothing about the OP. He's just another name

on DU. I just disagree with his statement.

[dionysus]

20. it's the only think i can guess whenever these bizarre pro-infidelity threads pop up.

usually it's whenever john edwards gets mentioned, but i guess tiger's a suitable substitute...

[PVnRT]

21. Cheap hookers, at that

[Cyrano]

29. What I find interesting is that you've chosen to concentrate on the

sexual portion of my original post, while totally ignoring how each and every one of us are constantly getting screwed by our corporate owned politicians.

That would suggest to me that you either don't give a damn about the dilemma that the average person lives through daily. Either that, or you have a preoccupation with what others are or aren't doing in their bedrooms.

Either way, believe what you will and view the world as you will. But do you think you could possibly spare a word for the secondary point I was making in the OP about all of us getting screwed daily by those who are supposed to represent us?

[dionysus]

31. weak way to sidestep you getting pwned hard in this thread, pimp daddy smooth...

:rofl:

[MineralMan]

32. Dude. When you use an analogy to make your point, you've gotta

get the analogy right. If you don't, it's fail all the way down.

[maryf]

69. That's the way they do it here...

So many don't listen to the Bottom Line of any post, K&R for your bottom line!! and I do think you're a bit hhigh on the 90% though!

[harkadog]

55. You are in a fantasy world.

You don't have the opportunities to cheat like Tiger does. Few men do. The OP is absolutely right at the 90% figure and that may be low.

[MineralMan]

66. You know nothing about me, harkadog.

You know nothing of what opportunities to cheat I have had. You are simply blathering.

[harkadog]

71. I know you missed the point of the OP

I know that you are not a billionaire, good looking pro athlete. So you can't compare the opportunities. Most men have an opportunity to cheat but that was not the point of the OP at all.

[anonymous171]

19. That does not make it right, praiseworthy, or morally permissable.

Just because something IS does not mean that it is the right thing to do. Just because most men will cheat does not mean that they should cheat.

[MineralMan]

26. It's an incorrect statement, anyhow.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/10/03/o.why.men.cheat/

"In a new study conducted by marriage counselor M. Gary Neuman, it's estimated that one in 2.7 men will cheat -- and most of their wives will never know about it."

That comes to 37%. Which means that 63% don't. Other stats support those numbers, more or less, but it's always a minority who cheat in the stats.

The OP is just plain wrong.

[MineralMan]

27. Delete

[MineralMan]

28. Stats on Cheating by Men

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/10/03/o.why.me... /

"In a new study conducted by marriage counselor M. Gary Neuman, it's estimated that one in 2.7 men will cheat -- and most of their wives will never know about it."

That comes to 37%. Which means that 63% don't. Other stats support those numbers, more or less, but it's always a minority who cheat in the stats.

The OP is just plain wrong.

[harkadog]

59. You are just plain wrong

or you willfully ignored what what said in the OP. The OP said 'given the opportunities of Tiger Woods' 90% would cheat. Only a few men have those opportunities. You so-called study was of all men -- not those with Woods type opportunities. These "studies" and "polls" about sex are stupid anyway because people lie about sex, and to the people doing the study, in order to be seen as PC.

[lib2DaBone]

4. k/r What you said.. I drive my Dodge Charger 440 Hemi and scream out the window..lol

Nothing has changed in the last 50 years... no one should cheat on their wife or girlfriend or boyfriend or husband.... but...

C'mon.. this Tiger Woods Crap is more Reich Wing Christian Evangelical Conservative BS oozing out like a bad bedsore into the MSM .

Check this out... A song from The Kinks... 27 October 1965 Has anything changed?


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



A Well Respected Man
Written by: Ray Davies
Published by: Kassner Music Co. Ltd

Lyrics:

'Cause he gets up in the morning,
And he goes to work at nine,
And he comes back home at five-thirty,
Gets the same train every time.
'Cause his world is built 'round punctuality,
It never fails.

And he's oh, so good,
And he's oh, so fine,
And he's oh, so healthy,
In his body and his mind.
He's a well respected man about town,
Doing the best things so conservatively.

And his mother goes to meetings,
While his father pulls the maid,
And she stirs the tea with councilors,
While discussing foreign trade,
And she passes looks, as well as bills
At every suave young man

'Cause he's oh, so good,
And he's oh, so fine,
And he's oh, so healthy,
In his body and his mind.
He's a well respected man about town,
Doing the best things so conservatively.

And he likes his own backyard,
And he likes his fags the best,
'Cause he's better than the rest,
And his own sweat smells the best,
And he hopes to grab his father's loot,
When Pater passes on.

'Cause he's oh, so good,
And he's oh, so fine,
And he's oh, so healthy,
In his body and his mind.
He's a well respected man about town,
Doing the best things so conservatively.

And he plays at stocks and shares,
And he goes to the Regatta,
And he adores the girl next door,
'Cause he's dying to get at her,
But his mother knows the best about
The matrimonial stakes.

'Cause he's oh, so good,
And he's oh, so fine,
And he's oh, so healthy,
In his body and his mind.
He's a well respected man about town,
Doing the best things so conservatively.

[dionysus]

7. just because you cheat on your wife, doesnt mean everyone else does.

smoove johnny, is that you?

[Alexander]

9. It's amazing how many weirdo DUers here try to justify cheating.

It seems to me that if someone wants to screw around on someone other than their spouse, they shouldn't be married in the first place.

I guess that concept is too advanced for some people.

[Cyrano]

12. My replies to you runneth over. But I guess I'll give someone else a shot at it.

[Alexander]

18. Someone else who will justify cheating? Oh boy!

I can't wait.

[MineralMan]

15. No, it's not too advanced. Most people believe that.

It helps some people, I guess, to believe that everyone acts as they do. I find that amusing. Wrong, but amusing.

[Oregone]

24. +1

[Oregone]

25. +1

[Cyrano]

8. My guess as to the lack of replies to this thread is because your

wife or significant other knows your screen name.

No problem. I understand.

[dionysus]

10. ROFL

digging it deeper eh? how's those hookers doin for ya?

[Cyrano]

13. C'mon guys. Stop letting the hypocrites rule this thread. How about

some help here?

[dionysus]

16. never was a cheatin' man myself.

:shrug:

[MineralMan]

22. Nah. You'll have to stand there on your own, I think,

with your peccadilloes hanging out. You want to defend those who cheat on their wives? Feel free. You'll hear from those who don't, though. You'll also lose the respect of those who honor their promises. A guy who won't isn't trustworthy, in my opinion.

[Cyrano]

34. What I find interesting is your lack of an answer to post #29.

But since that has more to do with what we are really about than it does with sex, I guess you're just going to ignore it.

[MineralMan]

36. Look again, boyo. The answer's there. I had to step away from the

computer to get the bad taste out of my mouth. When I came back I replied to your #29. Here's a hint: Your analogy is FAIL. Your premise is FAIL. Your argument, therefore, is FAIL.

Logic's funny that way.

[MineralMan]

33. Where'd all your philandering buddies go, there, Cyrano?

Nowhere to be found, are they? Just some guys poking holes in the condom of your dreams.

[dionysus]

35. !!!

:spray:

[MineralMan]

37. ..

:toast:

[PVnRT]

23. No, it has to do with your moronic assertion at the beginning of the post

However, I'm happy to keep this kicked so that others can see your stupidity.

[tkmorris]

43. Oh man, you are a trip

Yes, my wife knows my screen name. As to the presumption implicit in your statement, I'm not even going to dignify it.

Perhaps the "lack" (seems to me there has been plenty) of replies to the thread is due to the perceived quality of the argument in the OP, or lack thereof. I agree with about 80% of it but the 20% I don't is egregious enough that I cannot support it.

To sum up:

1) Yes we are all getting screwed and hard, and we should focus on that that.

2) The Tiger story is overblown because his infidelity is between his wife and himself. Your insinuation that most of us would have done the same if we could (what makes you sure we can't?) is off the mark and beside the point.

BTW have you seen the women Tiger is alleged to have dalliances with? Who says there is no such thing as a silicon based life form?

[montanto]

30. Stop posting shit about it?

[Cyrano]

38. Well, it seems that the average DU male has as much guts as

the average Democratic congressman when it comes to speaking up for reality.

All of you holier-than-thou guys who have posted here must understand that you're in a minuscule minority because the average DUer can't answer without cutting himself off for a few weeks.

However, enjoy your righteousness. And be glad the census doesn't ask the questions that would freak you out if you ever saw the answers.

[MineralMan]

39. And the champion retires to his corner. He forfeits the fight!

KO in zero punches.

[dionysus]

40. DOWN GOES CYRANO! DOWN GOES CYRANO!!

[MineralMan]

42. His considerable nose is bloodied, but he'll return to fight again.

But, wait...what are those cheers? Where are his fans? I guess they're a faithless, untrustworthy bunch.

[MineralMan]

41. Most DU males, my friend, are above average. It would be a higher

mark were it not for those few who bring the average down.

[tkmorris]

44. Trying to convince yourself are you?

Everyone is not as larcenous in their hearts as you seem to be. Sorry Mate.

[pintobean]

45. Married 21+ years, never cheated

I've never cheated on girlfriends before marriage either. I agree with everything MineralMan has said in this thread.

Put that in your condom and stroke it.

[harkadog]

61. Are you a billionaire like Tiger?

Good looking and a pro athlete? Didn't think so. But no you haven't cheated. When you get those three things together then come back and tell me that.

[dionysus]

63. and he boldly ran to defend the idiotic.... CHARGE!!!1!!!!

:rofl:

[pintobean]

65. What Tiger does is his problem, not mine.

I'm responsible for my own behavior. People judge me by my actions. The same goes for you. When you judge a complete stranger on a hypothetical situation. it says a lot about you. It doesn't say shit about me.

[Cyrano]

46. Before leaving this thread, let me point out that there are only

about a dozen or so of you righteous people stomping on my head.

The vast majority of DU men have run for cover for reasons I've previously mentioned here.


If you must, feel pride in your "moral" victory over my decadent position.

However, All I can say to those of you who are still here is, be carefully not to get caught in the men's room at the Minneapolis Airport. It might hurt your image.

[dionysus]

47. oh, so we're gay because we're not philandering pigs like you? how droll.

so, how many times you cheat on the missus?
:rofl:
oink oink

[MineralMan]

48. And, as he leaves the ring, Cyrano thumbs his nose at the crowd.

And a considerable nose it is, to be sure.

[dionysus]

49. and the crowd snores, i mean roars...

[Alexander]

50. Crash and burn for you, Cyrano. You've really reached a new low.

I find it funny that absolutely no one is defending your pro-cheating position.

[dionysus]

51. where's mark sanford, david vitter, and smoove johnny when you need them

[MineralMan]

52. Well, see, all those cheating friends have abandoned him, just

like they abandon their wives. That's the problem, really. You just can't trust a cheater. Wait...didn't I say that earlier?

[pintobean]

53. Working toward living on a sane planet

That's what your profile says is your hobby.
So............how does picking a fight with 63% of the male population fit that goal?

[LanternWaste]

58. "And the villain removes himself with a jade's trick..." n/t

"And the villain removes himself with a jade's trick..."

[Cyrano]

54. So the small handful of you want your pound of flesh? Okay.

As you look down on me from your Olympian heights, are you feeling superior at this moment?

Am I a lesser human being than you because I enjoy the company of women and find extreme pleasure in driving women into ecstasy?

Can any of you honestly tell me you never masturbate while thinking about another woman -- and if so -- isn't that a form of infidelity?

Do you enjoy living in the Victorian World in which you find yourself trapped?

Don't you find it interesting that not one woman responded to this thread?

These are just a few things for you to think about the next time you climb into your jammies.

[anonymous171]

57. Dude, you should look into starting a career in writing soft-core porn.

[dionysus]

60. LOLOLOL look at cassanova jr. over here!! "and he draped over her... like a leapord"

and most likely no women responded because you're coming across as a swine...
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[pintobean]

62. Do you think

"small handful" was a Freudian slip?:rofl:

[MineralMan]

67. Uff da! You just can't get enough, can you.

Here's a hint for you: DU is not a sex forum. You can find sex forums on the internet, if you look. They might be interested in your fetishes. We're not.

[MineralMan]

68. I wonder why you're so curious about the masturbatory habits

of other DUers.

"Can any of you honestly tell me you never masturbate while thinking about another woman"

Rather unseemly, I think. Hmm...

[maryf]

70. ooops! I shouldn't have responded above??

damage done...wonder why? is it back to people not looking for the main point, I wonder??

[LanternWaste]

56. This is based on...?

"You might not agree with me, but over 90% of the men in the world, given Tiger's sexual opportunities, would take them."

This is based on your own desires, or those of both you and your friends....? I ask this because the vast majority of my own friends hold a wee bit more honor and dignity than what you appear to assume of "90% of all men..."

[southernyankeebelle]

64. I was at my doctor''s appt today. They turned the TV on just to see

Tiger. I don't get it. Why does he has to apologize to the public. I don't care what he does in his private business.

[MindandSoul]

72. I absolutely agree with you!