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heli Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 11:25 PM
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Arizona speed cameras incite a mini revolt (LA Times)
Edited on Fri Feb-19-10 11:47 PM by heli
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-traffic-cameras20-2010feb20,0,814120.story

Arizona speed cameras incite a mini revolt
A masked man, a citizens group, a judge and other motorists are behind the fight against photo enforcement.
By Nicole Santa Cruz

Arizonans drive long distances on their highways, and they like to do it fast. But since the Grand Canyon State began enforcing speed limits with roadside cameras, motorists are raging against the machines: They have blocked out the lenses with Post-it notes or Silly String. During the Christmas holidays, they covered the cameras with boxes, complete with wrapping paper. One dissenting citizen went after a camera with a pick ax.

Arizona is the only state to implement "photo enforcement," as it's known, on major highways and is one of 12 states and 52 communities, plus the District of Columbia, with speed cameras. The cameras, paired with radar devices, photograph vehicles exceeding the speed limit by 11 mph or more. A notice of violation -- carrying a fine of $181.50 -- is then sent to the address of the vehicle's registered owner... Initially, the cameras were thought of as a revenue generator, expected to bring in more than $90 million in the first fiscal year of operation. But from October 2008, when the program began, to October 2009, the cameras generated about $19 million for the state's cash-strapped general fund. As of September, only 38% of issued violations were paid...

The program was designed to encourage people to pay the fine and not fight their violations: No points are added to an offender's license, and it doesn't affect insurance. But, critics note, that hasn't stopped people from wanting their day in court. About half of the total violations issued are still pending because people have ignored the tickets or have requested hearings to challenge them. The violations put an "inordinate" load on the courts, said Terry Stewart, a court administrator with Maricopa County... The most high-profile protester has been Dave VonTesmar, who has achieved statewide fame through his efforts to fight the tickets with a monkey mask. The 47-year-old flight attendant has allegedly sped past the cameras at least 40 times. His defense? There's no way to prove that he was the driver wearing the mask, he says. Lots of people, he adds, drive his car... So far, four of VonTesmar's cases have been dismissed, and he's been found responsible for seven. The remaining 29 are pending...

In Maricopa County -- where 92% of Arizona's violations occur -- volunteers have been on the streets for about a year, gathering signatures for a 2010 ballot initiative to remove the cameras. On a December afternoon, volunteers gathered signatures at an Arizona State University basketball game. As ASU fans shuffled into the game, a mother with children in a Toyota Prius gave an opposing view as she drove past. "Photo radar keeps people alive with kids, whoo-hoo!" she yelled. Many people, however, were eager to sign the petition. One couple even took a snapshot with a sign saying "BAN Photo Radar!" "It's a fraud," said Jose Jimenez of West Phoenix, who posed with his girlfriend. "It's a big scam."... Gov. Jan Brewer is encouraging the Legislature to place a referendum on the ballot so voters can decide whether to scrap the system. Another dissenter is John Keegan, a judge for the Arrowhead Justice Court, who has called the cameras a constitutional violation. He rejects every photo radar ticket that comes before him. So far, Keegan says, he's dismissed more than 7,000 violations, potentially worth more than $1 million.


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Fast Dude Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:04 AM
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1. Those damn cameras are about revenue, not safety n/t
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jjcrain Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:27 AM
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2. It's a money making racket for the corporations also
Edited on Sat Feb-20-10 12:29 AM by jjcrain
Don't they get a cut from every ticket? It's a very corrupt system, and I'm sure bribery was involved.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:35 AM
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3. Bribery? In Arizona? Surely you jest.
:sarcasm:


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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:37 AM
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4. I view them as an opportunity for creative monkeywrenching
Many Americans have the attitude that government (local/state/federal/international) are a bunch of useless control freaks. Give them the opportunity to destroy photo radar devices, they will gleefully take it. Speaking personally, its quite satisfying.
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:52 AM
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5. An Arizona judge with a brain in his head. . .I love Judge John Keegan.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:58 AM
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6. Speeding tickets are about REVENUE. If everyone challenged them in court...
it would take away the money-making aspect of it and local governments would concentrate on real safety issues.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:59 AM
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7. My state banned traffic cameras back in October. There are none here.
Let the voters in Arizona call a referendum on these things, and let's see where the chips fall.
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malletgirl02 Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 09:26 AM
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8. As a Pedestrian
I have no sympathy for speeders. Seems like few people actually have to walk.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:13 AM
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12. Do you routinely cross 6-8 lane highways?
These cameras are on major freeways. I'm all for heavy enforcement in high traffic areas where there is pedestrian and bicycle traffric too--but these are MAJOR freeways. FWIW, I'm a Phoenician--I loathe the damn things on freeways--but I don't speed in the city, I just don't.
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Mosby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 09:35 AM
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9. I didn't like the idea at first
but what changed my mind is that ADOT or whoever raised the speed limit on the intown freeways to 65 mph. That move combined with photo radar has made the traffic more smooth, with much lower speed differentials between cars.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 09:37 AM
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10. In England they are draping these things with flaming tires. nt
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d.gibbs Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:04 AM
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11. It IS a big scam
It is just a highly efficient version of the speed trap.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:37 AM
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13. Even killed a disposable dude setting up a camera a few months back.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:39 AM
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14. Set these damned things up in my state, and they'll become target practice within 24 hours
They're nothing but revenue generating machines, and meant to pave the way for remote law enforcement in all areas of our life. More of our civil rights slipping away day by day.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:47 AM
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15. Over 60% of the fines go to the private company that runs them.
It's a scam, pure and simple.
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d.gibbs Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:08 AM
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16. Corporate CEOs using government as their revenue collection bureau
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:09 AM
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17. If traffic cameras are really installed for safety then large warning signs would be posted-
so motorists all realize they will be ticketed.
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:21 AM
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18. I remember I
was in Phoenix at a training seminar with the Phoenix Fire Dept when some angry idiot took a shot at one of those photo enforcement vehicles that the AHP uses, inside was an employee who was killed. Luckily his license number was caught on camera and he was arrested. That being said, Those cameras are a bad idea because the state has no way of proving who was driving if the driver just covers up. The people of AZ should decide if they want them or not, not some money hungry bureaucrat
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:14 PM
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19. All traffic cops are extortionists with badges.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 10:13 PM
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20. If one does not break the speed limit - what is the problem?
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We had them in Ontario for a while, but some politician decided that to remove them would get him elected.

It did.

It is well known that one of the main causes of automobile accidents, and deaths is SPEEDING.

There is a REASON for speed limits.

#1 is SAFETY

gee

that's a hell of a reason!

another one, is fuel economy - that's what drove the USA to reduce limits to 55 decades ago.

Fuel economy GREATLY deteriorates after 55 mph, doesn't matter what you are driving.

It's called "wind resistance".

I would be quite happy to see photo radar everywhere - evven on the country road where I live where the speed limit is 50k/hr(30m/hr) - and people like to roar around over 100k - 60 miles an hour.

OH YEAH - I've been guilty of speeding - and paid. Took me many years to realize the benefits of driving slower

better fuel economy

less wear and tear on my machinery

no tickets;

AND

I get to enjoy more of the scenery!

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Citizen Kang Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:05 PM
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21. Because they create purposeful speed traps
Cities and towns in the Phoenix area create speed traps right before a photo radar. I have a personal example to share. I was driving down Chandler Blvd at 46 MPH and the speed limit was 45 MPH. However just before a photo radar camera, the City of Chandler DROPPED the speed limit to 35 MPH. I go through the light and get flashed going 11 MPH over the new speed limit, all because of a speed trap. There was no reason for the city to drop the speed limit. No church or school or any decrease in number of lanes. Nothing.

Needless to say I did not pay the ticket. I did not have to pay because Arizona law requires a ticket by served by a peace officer in person before you are required to show up in court.

I also no longer live in that shithole of a state.
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