This is to whom Tiger Woods should have apologized

[RB TexLa]

Victims of domestic violence. His wife assaulted him, from the bits and pieces of information she also used a golf club to attack him. A golf club is a weapon. This was a criminal act, perpetrated by a criminal. When the police want to discuss a criminal act with you, you shouldn't get to chose how that proceeds based on your relationship with the criminal. Mr. Woods chose to not allow the police to question him about the events and to not allow them to see his wounds.

Now of course victims of these crimes protect the criminals all the time. And tell the police the same thing Mr. Woods did that it's not their business that the crime is a private matter and to leave their family alone. And with this event he has helped give more criminals something to use on their victims to make sure their crimes remain a private matter.

Of course he can't apologize to all the victims who protected their criminal because some of them have been killed by the criminal. I do wonder if his wife owns a gun or not. He's already let her know that she can beat him without being held accountable for her criminal actions.

[DURHAM D]

1. total fiction...

[RB TexLa]

2. So he should not have spoken with the police when they came to his house?

He should not have allowed them to see his wounds and determine if a crime had occurred and if a criminal needed to be charged with committing that crime?


You are saying if someone attacks their husband or wife and causes a traffic accident the police should leave that as a private matter?

[DURHAM D]

3. i'm not saying anything except that you write fiction...

and not very good fiction

[seabeyond]

11. the police DID see him and wounds and said consistent with accident. YOU get the facts

you buy into internet gossip as factual, ignoring truth, like repugs for your own agenda. this op is about you

[naaman fletcher]

13. It's up to him. not you.

If he wants to rat out his wife to the cops.

[seabeyond]

24. wrong place

[dysfunctional press]

41. yes.

[Maru Kitteh]

63. Didn't you flee a clinic & avoid the police after you were hit by a car?

And state that it was none of their business?

Funny, and convenient this sudden authoritarian streak in you.

At any rate, the police did see his injuries and all medical personnel confirm the injuries were consistent with/caused by his auto accident. So - total fiction fail.

[Bluebear]

4. I do wonder if YOUR wife owns a gun or not.

:silly:

[RB TexLa]

5. She does

[Bluebear]

6. Keep your head low.

[RB TexLa]

8. Why? My wife isn't a criminal.

[sandyj999]

7. Were you there? Far as I know there is no proof that happened. n/t

[RB TexLa]

10. The blame for not knowing what did or did not happen falls on the possible victim who refused to

speak with the police.

[seabeyond]

12. there was a neighbor as a witness too. ignore that for your agenda and storytelling too. nt

[dysfunctional press]

42. if the 'victim' doesn't want to talk to police- then there is no victim, and no crime.

ain't freedom a bitch...?

[sandyj999]

60. Many times the victim will not speak to the police.

It comes from two places.

1. They think it is their fault.
2. They are afraid of repercussions.

And there is always a victim and sometimes both are victims.

And don't think I am excusing anyone because abuse is abuse and from my past I know first hand.

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[pitohui]

14. good post, he should also apologize to his children

he left his children alone w. a violent abuser while he escaped her in the cocoon of his "treatment center"

there's a "treatment" for a high sex drive? really?????? as far as i know, there's no legitimate treatment to change one's sex drive and desires, besides, what's the real issue here? tiger wants more endorsements so he wants to make himself out to be this big stud...he sure ain't gonna get tons of endorsements as a victim of husband-beating

i'm close w. a guy who suffered long-term violent abuse, and he says, well, tiger is sick and ashamed and was prob. going home every day to a "living hell," he actually feels sorry for the guy, and i could see his point of view -- IF NOT FOR THE CHILDREN LEFT IN HER HANDS

does a violent person only assault one victim? or do their anger issues frequently cause them to attack at random?

in his shoes, i can't see how he justifies letting her get away w. the children

it's chilling reading the replies to these posts, how many people are in denial, because it rocks their world a little too much to think of a man being a victim of domestic violence, the evidence is pretty clear to anyone who saw the pictures and heard the comments from the neighbors that he was beyond a doubt who was chased out of his house, into his vehicle, and the crazy psycho woman was pounding hell out of the vehicle trying to get at him

he ran out of his house in a state of confusion w.out even his shoes!!!

and i know whenever my husband locks himself in the car, i don't bother to open it w. my own set of keys, i just whack crap out of all the windows w. a golf club -- i mean, what's closer to hand, the keys on the ring by the door or the golf club i'm trying to beat hell out of him with?

come on people, it's obvious to anyone who isn't in denial what happened

i don't care if tiger screwed 1000 women, its about violence

[undeterred]

19. You really hate women, don't you?

[pitohui]

23. i'm a woman and a victim of domestic assault, i will NEVER stand w. the attackers

if you do, you need to look long into your own soul, for you have embraced evil -- you have celebrated evil

i am entitled to have my own sex life and determine my own sex life without being beaten, raped, assaulted, or murdered

the same is true for every woman and for every man, even tiger woods

NO ONE, no one should be chased from their own home in terror of their lives

anyone who has been in this scenario recognizes this scenario, what makes me sad is that nothing has changed about the aftermath

all the blame is still being put on victims, not on attackers

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[Lyric]

15. You big, bad, manly man.

It's soooo TOUGH to slander and defame an innocent woman when you're anonymous on the internet. What a badass you are! I bet you could knock over a toothpick with just one blow!

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

17. I'm literally swooning, aren't you?

[pitohui]

18. an innocent woman who's knocking all the windows out of the car w. a golf club?

you've never been a victim of domestic violence, have you?

i have, and for all we know, maybe the OP has too or knows others who have been -- how well i remember how quick everyone was to believe my abuser's stories and to ignore my own -- there's always a reason how my injuries were somehow all my fault???

the stories being told here by tiger, by the media, and people on this thread are all too familiar -- there's always a reason not to accept that domestic violence is real and to cover up for the criminal

there's no way this woman is "innocent," she's at best has anger issues, she's at worst a true sociopath

and it disgusts me that here in 2010 most people, and the media itself, would still rather rally around the abuser than the victim -- it doesn't help that the victim can see that there's more money to be made in playing to the lie -- if it's all about sex addiction, he's a stud and that sells golf caps, if it's about domestic assault, just ugh...that dog ain't even selling a bowl of cat crap

[seabeyond]

21. if there was even a single bet of evidence of abuse. but.... police, witness, tiger all state

didnt happen

no evidence.

nada

nothing

that is there irresponsible part of it

[pitohui]

26. i have eyes in my head, do you

i have the experience of being in the situation, do you?

did you even see the same reports as i did? it's clear that she chased him out of his own house w. a golf club at the ready, that he tried to drive away, and that she beat crap out of his car, and that he drove up the neighbor's tree

talk talk doesn't replace the physical evidence for anyone who is NOT in collusion and in denial

i believe physical evidence not words

[seabeyond]

27. she has a club, and beat the hell out of him. cut on lip. hit stearing wheel. witness

said she did not

yet you say it is totally clear to you. no facts. none

[undeterred]

16. You should apologize to Elin for making stuff up.

[pitohui]

20. we all shall apologize to abusers, for they are strong and we are weak

:sarcasm:

this thread disgusts me

i can see that nothing, nothing has changed since i was a victim of domestic assault, no matter how incredible it is that the attack is the victim's fault, it's still the victim's fault and he or she eventually has to bow down, admit to being sick, and accept that it was somehow all his/her fucking house for being chased out of his/her own fucking home at risk of being beaten to fucking death

i despair of human nature

how can you? not just you, undeterred, how can ALL of you be so damn hateful?

i wish for you what you wish for me -- that when you're a victim of crime that it will be denied by all and that you're put in treatment until you too confess that being chased and beaten is all your own fault, maybe then you'll see what you're advocating here

or maybe not, maybe the self hatred is truly that internalized

do you suppose by now tiger honestly believes it IS his fault??? for being chased from his own home???

[seabeyond]

30. woe is me..... allowing abuse. bullshit. get some facts, even one piece of fact

but everything suggests she didnt beat the shit out of him and you are buying into internet gossip. then lecturing people on not be opposed to abuse.

[undeterred]

32. Don't project victimhood onto Tiger Woods.

Has there ever been a situation before where anyone thought he had been hurt at home? If there had been it would have been uncovered by now. The police were onsite and did not find cause to charge his wife. She denies harming him and he denies that she harmed him.

The reasons people stay with abusive spouses are psychological and economic. Does Tiger Woods need for Elin to support him financially? I think not. Does Tiger Woods seems like someone with low self-esteem who would allow himself to be abused? Hardly. He seems like a man who desperately wants his marriage to succeed. He doesn't fit the profile of an abused spouse on any level.

[Kalyke]

38. You disgust me.

I have been a victim of domestic violence, but everyone involved - from police to witnesses to Tiger - says she did NOT beat him - that his injuries were consistant with the accident.

Maybe she did tell the cheating bastard to get the fuck out of the house... she may have even screamed at him to get his "probably" diseased ass out, but beat him, she did not. And, fwiw, she had every right to get the lying, cheating asshole away from her and their children. As the wronged party and half-owner of the home, she has as much right to ask the man she hopefully plans to divorce to leave ASAP for both her sanity and the sanity of the children (and, yes, a very angry - and rightly so - Mom would be noticable to the kids. Best they difuse the situation and have him leave).

[seabeyond]

39. i am disgusted too. a story above stating she is a lifetime abuser, abusing her kids and more shit

than i care to see with made up, fabricated story.

[Forkboy]

52. That poster is always like that.

Holds the record for the most fucked up, demented post ever addressed to me in my 8 years here, and from the PMs I got over it I'm far from the only one who sees the poster for what they are. Deranged.

[Kalyke]

56. So the poster is hanging her hat on the domestic violence canard

while she's stalking and tormenting other posters?

Are we sure this poster isn't a Republican? Her hypocrisy is so thick, you could cut it with a knife.

I'm sorry you had to endure that. Did you report it to the mods?

[Forkboy]

57. To be fair, there's no stalking.

Just a single reply about something I posted that was very personal, and tough to post. But it was a reply I'll never forget or forgive, that's for sure.

As for being a Republican, they would have shown more class. :)

[Bluebear]

61. :nodding:

[RB TexLa]

54. How do you know she has any ownership of that property? They have a marital contract

ours outlines individual property ownership very clearly, perhaps theirs does too.

[Shell Beau]

84. You have no clue what really went on, and neither do I.

Tiger and his wife know. It is very disgusting to accuse an innocent person of domestic violence. Since the only people who really know are denying it, you can't take it any further than that. You can have your own opinions about it, but that doesn't make them facts. Experts have said his injuries were consistent with a car accident. For all you know, she could have been dumping his clubs. And all you know and I know about this absolutely nothing.

[11 Bravo]

86. I have decided, without a fucking shred of evidence, that you assaulted Elin.

As a matter of fact, it's "clear to me". Yeah, I know, she denies it, the neighbors deny it, Tiger denies it, and everyone within 10 square miles of the alleged incident says it didn't happen. I DON'T CARE! It's clear to me that you did it, and on behalf af a woman who wouldn't now you if she tripped over you, I demand an apology.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

22. This thread is a crime... IBTL. There I said it... let it happen to

someone else's thread... mwahahahahahahahah..... :)

[seabeyond]

25. totally irresponsible of op to state she abused when ALL facts say she did not. nt

[pitohui]

29. you don't know what a "fact" is, do you?

this is the tactic of the big lie, repeat it often enough and the sheep believe

instead of listening to words words words, look at the physical evidence and forgot about the words and excuses

there is never any reason for one adult to chase another adult out of his home and when he tries to drive off start being the crap out of his vehicle

[H2O Man]

31. Right.

I don't think that there is any rational debate on that.

[seabeyond]

33. chasing a person does not = beating the shit out of them. chasing someone is not FACT she

beat the shit out of him.

it is police, witness and injury that is fact

it is not making up a story cause of persnal experience is fact

[fishwax]

28. his wife didn't assault him

:crazy:

[Christa]

34. I can tell you this

If it was me finding out my husband had multiple affairs and paid who knows how much money to keep the women silent, I would have attacked him as well.

[seabeyond]

35. well shame on you. violence is never ok. simple enough. walk. nt

[RB TexLa]

55. And if you do hopefully you pay for your crime.

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[dysfunctional press]

40. you're wrong. it's NOT a crime unless the 'victim' says so.

and tiger says that no assault or battery on elin's part ever took place.

[Brickbat]

62. You're kidding, right?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or really have no idea how the law is supposed to work.

[dysfunctional press]

88. witha battery charge- if there's no victim, there's no crime.

who do you see as the victim?

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[noamnety]

44. I was wondering about that as well.

I'm having trouble processing: "He's the victim, and THAT'S why he should be apologizing."

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[RB TexLa]

48. He could have cooperated with the police when they came to speak with him

instead he said it was a private matter. The same thing other victims of domestic violence are coerced into telling the police. That is who he should have apologized to, other victims.

I understand that no one has to report a crime. I've had my house randomly shot at and didn't report it.

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[Kalyke]

51. Actually, anyone who says that it's not a crime because the victim refused

to report it doesn't know that the law has changed in the past 15 years.

Most states no longer require the victim of domestic violence to press charges. If the police see evidence consistant with domestic violence, they can arrest the alleged perpetrator and the D.A. presses charges.

Florida is one of those states: http://www.uslaw.com/library/Criminal_Law/Recanting_Victims_Stop_Domestic_Violence_Prosecutions.php?item=581244

[Kalyke]

49. And I believe, with the utmost sincerity, that Elin should divorce him

and take him to the cleaners.

Little boys look up to this pig. I don't want young men all over the world thinking you can have multiple affairs, hurt your spouse emotionally, break the faithful covenant you made with your spouse and then have absolutely no consquences.

If any company allows Tiger to endorse their product, I will boycott that product and start an online petition, spreading it around to womens' groups online, to let the company know that we will NOT purchase products endorsed by a cheating, lying piece of shit.

[Kalyke]

45. Take your fiction and shove it...

http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m12d1-Tiger-Woods-neighbor-says-wife-Elin-did-not-beat-Tiger

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/01/crimesider/entry5852418.shtml

[Forkboy]

53. This makes dumb people look intelligent by comparison.

[Lyric]

58. Well hell. Fair's fair. Has YOUR spouse publicly proven that you haven't beat her?

Because until she does, I'm sorry, but I consider you a sicko abuser and a danger to society. Let us know when she talks to the police and provides evidence that you've never abused her. Of course, that'll be hard--you can't really prove a negative--but I'm sure she'll think of something. After all, Tiger Woods is apparently expected to prove that his wife DIDN'T beat him.

Of course, even if your wife DOES come forward and publicly state that you've never abused her, I still won't believe it. After all--she has personal motives for wanting to protect you from the punishment that I'm sure you rightfully deserve. I don't have any actual direct EVIDENCE, but since you don't seem to require silly things like that for YOUR claims, I hardly see this as a problem.

:hi:

[seabeyond]

59. point. nt

[datasuspect]

64. your parents should apologize for you

gaaaaaaaaaaaawd.

[Zomby Woof]

65. I don't do flamebait with you

[Maru Kitteh]

67. *snarf*

[MilesColtrane]

66. "Elin" is Swedish for "O.J."?

You're funny.

[JVS]

68. Oh dear God, a flamewar has broken out and I agree with RB TexLa and Pitohui

Time to send that truckload of space heaters to Hell.

[upi402]

69. Good point, if it were a man he'd be charged

And a club is a weapon. Never thought of this. TY

[seabeyond]

70. for what? nt

[merh]

71. charged with what

the police on the scene said there was no evidence of domestic violence, the EMTs on the ambulance said the same thing and the person she was to have assaulted said he wasn't assaulted.

You people are messed up.

[upi402]

72. Didn't she attck his SUV with a club?

Men get put in cuffs on the spot for that here. That warrants a DV charge here as well. It may be different where you live.

I never paid attention to the Tiger woods deal so I am guilty of low info on his specific case.

[seabeyond]

73. IF she hit her SUV in anger, another so what???? a man punches hole in a wall and is arrested?

not even. how many men over how many years have punched hole in wall and never been arrested.

if she wants to beat up her suv, she gets to beat up her suv, if she did. i dont know what happened there.

what we know is tigers injuries does not coincide with being hit with a club. witness said she didnt hit him with a club. police say she didnt hit him with a club. tiger says she did not hit him with a club

so arrest for what?

[upi402]

74. When a man hits a window with a woman on the other side of it, he is in cuffs

pronto.

Where the heck do you live? You don't need to bleed. IF there's an injury, it's mandatory prosecution for felony. IF there is a Doctor seen, it's mandatory reporting. That's great law in my opinion. And should be enforced regardless of gender.

Example; I know a woman personally who gave her ex husband a black eye. He called police. She laughs to this day thinking it's funny that they hauled him to jail after she lied to police.

Not funny. Not isolated. Are you sexist?

[H2O Man]

75. You are correct.

There is no question that the woman in this case broke the law by engaging in domestic violence. She was given a pass because of her status in the community. And she is being defended on this thread by people who think that TW is such a shithead that he deserved anything he got, and/or those who advocate a one-sided approach to the necessary response to DV.

Woods certainly seems -- at least to me -- to have earned the contempt and scorn of the public. Yet, even those we consider "creeps" are entitled to legal protections. Likewise, socio-economic status should not be a factor in regard to allowing certain individuals to avoid legal consequences for their behaviors.

Domestic violence is not limited to aggressive physical contact with another. It also includes, among many other things, property damage. That anyone questions this strikes me as curious.

[seabeyond]

77. ahhh. so when she finds out he is fuckin around with so many women, she yells... are you going to

accuse her of abuse?

and that vehicle is hers as much as his. marriage. you do not get in trouble for damaging your own property

i dont know what happened in htat house

you dont know what happened in that house

she had a club
she broke a back window
tiger wood was not hit per injuries reported
cops said he wasnt hit
witness said he wasnt hit


to suggest because people are not willing to accuse without info is condoning physical abuse is ridiculous.

to state it was domestic violence with this info is irresponsible.


i am sure she threw a fit.

you hold htat against her?

she did not cause him physical injury

yet

you condemn her.

[H2O Man]

78. You appear to

have great difficulty engaging in a rational discussion on this issue.

[seabeyond]

79. what isnt rational? seems to me when accusing someone of domestic violence, the rational

at least has some evidence.

where does it seem, i am not rational. because, after all, the accusing without info seems to be prevelent.

[H2O Man]

80. Your responses

on this thread appear to be rooted in emotion, and you appear unwilling to accept facts that have been reported, and are not in dispute. Also, your posts attempt to attribute positions to people that disagree with you, that are clearly distinct from anything those people said. I can appreciate that discussions regarding domestic violence can difficult. However, there is absolutely no question -- none -- that, in this context, breaking a window on a vehicle with a golf club is domestic violence.

[seabeyond]

82. wait a minute. i have not accused people of being a cheerleader for domestic violence, or sexist

or any of the other accusations being made by those demanding it is domestic violence. please re read a bit. you are incorrect.

i have only stated the facts, FACTS, that are known. show me where i have said a single thing that wasnt fact

people arguing this as domestic violence are not stating fact, so is backward to what you are saying. it is info being stated as fact from internet gossip.

and no, it is not a matter of "emotion" for me, no more so than sounding like from you and many of the others. it is a dishonesty i am opposed to.

a couple fights, someone picks something up and throws it at the wall. domestic violence?

do we arrest.

i am totally opposed to people even fighting and getting angry. we dont do it in my house. so all this stuff is crap in my book. but i am clever enough to know, in most relationships, passions, anger, mad get loud and destructive. how self rigtheous of me to suggest they should all be arrested because we dont behave like that in our house.

do tell me about reasonable and rational

you want to go after femlaes that commit domestic violence? i am all for it.

but there has to be something there, regardless of gender, be it male or female, before i am going to commit to the argument it is domestic violence

she hit a back window. far from tiger. that is domestic violence to you?

he had no injuries from club. domestic violence?

[H2O Man]

91. See post #77:

You wrote, and I quote, "Yet you condemn her."

In fact, I did not.

I did say that she broke the window of the vehicle with a golf club, and that this is without any question a form of domestic violence. Hence, she should have faced legal consequences.

I remember when I used to faciliate DV and jail groups. There were some individuals -- both male and female -- who had the error in thinking, that violently damaging property during a dispute was not "domestic violence," firmly entrenched in their minds. They believed that because it was their property, and no one was physically injured by their actions, that they had the right to do it.

My job was not to condemn them. It was to patiently try to help them understand that they were wrong.

[seabeyond]

92. wow h20. those accusations you gave me resulted because i took you saying domestic violence as

"codemning" her to domestic violence.

you say read 77. i read it all with in mind you say i dont go off facts. i ignore facts. i accuse others in argument.... and i saw nothing. had to go into your post to find the error of my way.

she absolutely did not hurt tiger at all and was shit on by tiger..... you are right, LOCK HER UP.

fair and balanced in the gender relations....

if i fucked 20 different guys and my hubby found out, i would count myself pretty damn lucky and in a good place to have a broken window.... and my body untouched.

[H2O Man]

93. The pattern continues.

It does not matter if she hurt him, or not: breaking a vehicle's windows with a golf club is indeed DV.

Rather than engage in a rational discussion, however, you resort to nonsense: "you are right, LOCK HER UP." You know as well as I that I have never said anything suggesting that. You are making it up out of thin air. Dishonesty of that sort should not be one of your tactics. Please reconsider continueing it.

[seabeyond]

94. come on h20. you are saying she committed DV. poster says she should be arrested

the implication is there. "That warrants a DV charge here as well." you said this to me the first post. sounds like you are saying, arrest her.

you accused me of all kinds of motivation, lack of fact, making up fact, and whatever else with posters.

and you are lecturing me on honesty.

give me a break.

[merh]

87. You provide your "evidence"

and refute the people on the scene.

http://www.examiner.com/x-30363-Canada-Celebrity-Examiner~y2009m12d1-Tiger-Woods-neighbor-says-wife-Elin-did-not-beat-Tiger

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/01/crimesider/entry5852418.shtml

Hell, even the gossip rags don't back up the "attack" smears.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/01/crimesider/entry5852418.shtml

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2010/01/tiger-woods-checked-for-injuries-by-police/

http://www.examiner.com/x-21058-Cleveland-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m1d1-Tiger-Woods-updates-Police-searched-Tigers-body-for-further-injuries

[merh]

85. Sorry, but you are wrong.

You weren't there.

You don't know if she attacked him with the golf club.

The folks on the scene said they didn't see any signs of domestic violence.

TW said he was not attacked.

You are making assumptions based on rumors and innuendo.

And then, you dare to accuse folks like me of defending her because of what a creep TW is. That is pretty low of you, a really pathetic cheap shot.

In my world, folks are innocent until proven guilty - hell, before you try them you have to charge them.

[H2O Man]

90. Well, my Friend,

the fact is that she smashed the window of the vehicle he was driving off in, with a golf club. That is not in question. I feel no more need to "prove" that, than I do to "prove" that it was really Tiger Woods in the vehicle, rather than the person who replaced Paul McCartney in the music group The Beatles.

That is, without any question, domestic violence.

I would also note that no where in my comments did I say anything about her status in a court proceeding. With your background, you do know that is the only place where the old "innocent until proven guilty" has any meaning. I'm surprised that you would attempt to pull that one on me, or to pretend that I said anything about what her status might have been, had she been charged.

Likewise, the "you weren't there" bit. You weren't in Dallas on 11-22-63 (or were you?), but I suspect that we could agree that you are not only entitled to have an opinion on what happened, but you have the ability, as well. Even in the context where an opinion is most important -- that being when one serves on a jury -- there isn't a requirement that you had to have been on the scene in order to have a valid opinion, is there?

Also, for the record, I would stick up for her, because of what a fucking creep her husband is. While I am firm in my belief that she should have been charged, I am confident that "the system" would be able to assist her in finding better ways to deal with problems than breaking a window with a golf club. I have no problem in advocating the position that in cases where there are children involved in a family setting, that even some of my relatives and friends face consequences for what everyone should agree were unacceptable behaviors.

[seabeyond]

76. firstly, i understand the window she broke was the back of suv

not the driver side window. so maybe before accusing a person of sexism, you should get you info straight.

that is ALL the information you have. that is it. no injuries. neither accusing. she hit the back window of suv....

secondly fuck the woman that gives a man a black eye and laughs. i would be on her or anyones ass that thinks it is funny to hurt another.

do you often accuse people of things, myself included, without information?

[merh]

83. I don't know, I wasn't there.

Did she?

If the cop thought she was the aggressor and was armed to do harm, they would arrested her.

They don't need a complaining witness.

You guys really should try to figure out the facts before spouting off nonsense.

[bridgit]

81. A strange glimpse indeed into the patriarchal mind - I will not be back

[spanone]

89. tiger said there was no domestic violence. do not judge him on tmz/national enquirer info