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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 10:12 PM
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Florida National Guard situation is dire....hurricane season coming.
It is amazing we are not hearing much about this from many governors. Crist is quiet, Senator Bill Nelson spoke out once and appears to be aware that something needs to be done.

Three hurricane eyes hit Central Florida in 2004. Another hit North Florida. Devastation was all around. All the news talked about how great Jeb's response was. It wasn't really that great. There were too many instances of spoiled food, no gas, people being turned away from trucks filled with ice. No plans, just a lot of chaos.

Little Boots stood in an orange grove and said for neighbors to look out for one another. It was a good thing, too, because FEMA was screwed up by then.

Now with hurricane season nearing, little is being said about the lack of national guard and the equipment they need for emergencies. I expect Bill Nelson, Mel Martinez, Adam Putnam, Charlie Crist...to be far more vocal.

Florida's National Guard in serious situation

Troops of the Florida National Guard, at least for the moment, have apparently avoided participating in President Bush's planned "surge" in Iraq, although almost half - about 13,000 - of the 30,000 U.S. troops slated for that mission will be Guardsmen from Arkansas, Indiana, Ohio and Oklahoma, reports the Pentagon.

But the Bush administration's decision to rely so heavily on these, in normal circumstances, part-time soldiers has raised questions about the preparedness of the Guard for its duties closer to home, including in Florida. As if plucking these cogs of our communities away from their families and jobs for service in Iraq wasn't stressful enough - many Guard members will be entering their second tour of duty in Iraq when the surge reaches high tide later this year - National Guard units are woefully lacking in supplies.

...."This month, Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, chief of the Army's National Guard Bureau, told the Senate Defense Appropriations Subcommittee that "the National Guard today, I'm sad to say, is not a fully ready force." Blum testified that the Guard faces a $40 billion shortfall in providing equipment and training necessary to respond to missions at home.


The Florida guard must leave 50% of its equipment in Iraq, leaving Florida vulnerable to more emergencies.

What I did not realize is that Florida and other states must negotiate with the Pentagon to use their own National Guard equipment which is in storage. Nelson plans to do that later. I don't know how much later.

In the interim, however, Nelson is hoping to broker an agreement between the state and the Defense Department that would allow the Florida Guard to use the equipment stockpiled around the state by the U.S. Army Reserve units, which are commanded by the Pentagon.


Did you read that? Florida must negotiate to use its own stockpiles of equipment.

I think we could be in serious trouble here. Crist and Nelson are not speaking out nearly enough on this issue.

Here is more about what Bill Nelson is doing. I have not heard anymore from him since this article.

Nelson: War Sapping Fla. Of Supplies

If the state doesn't have the equipment it needs, Tittle said it can borrow it from Guard units in other states or rent it. But Nelson questioned the lag time and the fact that the other state Guard units also are facing the same depletion of equipment problems.

Florida is not the only state with depletion problems, the GAO report states.

Texas only has 51.6 percent of its dual-use equipment available to non-deployed Army National Guard forces. In California, the figure is 50.3 percent. Louisiana is at 49.5 percent, New Mexico is at the bottom of the list with 33.8 percent.

Despite their shortages, "National Guard officials in California, Florida and West Virginia express similar levels of confidence in their forces' ability to respond to typical state missions using currently available equipment," the report states.

"However, some state National Guard officials expressed concerns about whether they would have enough equipment to respond to large-scale events similar to Hurricane Katrina or those described in the Homeland Security Council's national planning scenarios," the report states.


Florida is at 53 percent of the dual-use equipment it once had for responding to a storm or domestic disturbance. the Guard was down 500 Humvees, 600 trucks, short 4,000 pairs of night vision goggle and needed 30 more wreckers.

And quite frankly it alarms me that Tittle, the Florida spokesman for the National Guard says everything will work out fine...they can handle it. Sounds like la la land to me.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 10:22 PM
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1. The Idaho Guard was told to leave ALL it's equipment behind
And at some future date requisitions for new equipment could be considered.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 10:50 PM
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2. It got buried in the news about VT last week, but the latest storm to go up the East coast caused
a lot of damage the entire way. I heard that some meteorologists were looking at the low pressures at the center of the storm and saying it wouldn't have taken much to consider it as a hurricane 600 miles across! What happens if a real hurricane follows the same path up the East coast this summer? Be sure to remember the flash floods in the Appalachians that would be part of this. It'd make what Katrina did to Mississippi look like a pleasant spring shower! There is no way the federal government is ready to respond to this, and how many other National Guard units have been decimated by Bush's war?
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RL3AO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:15 AM
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5. It would have been a Cat 2 hurricane, except it was a cold core storm.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 10:57 PM
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3. IL . Just Left Tammy Duckworth Husband on his way to Iraq
If Chicago or any other City in Il needs the Guard we are in deep shit here
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:01 AM
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4. K/R
KICK

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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:17 AM
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6. Easy rule for disasters: Do not expect anyone to do anything for you

and prepare for that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:26 AM
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7. I can not fix electric wires....I can not remove downed trees.
We could not leave our home except in one direction because huge oaks lay across the streets. And houses.

That sounds like George Bush.

That sounds like the new credo of the Young Republicans...if you can't take care of yourself you ain't worth nothing.

Our neighbor died the day after the 3rd storn hit us. He was stressed beyond belief. He was as prepared as he could be with his disability, and as prepared as neighbors could help him be.

But he could not handle the heat. And we could not help. We could not find ice anywhere, we could not find a generator then for him. We did all we could, but he died. 58 years old.

You sound like the new mentality of the GOP has taken hold.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:29 AM
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8. You are taking this the wrong way. I think people should help, I do not not expect them to
The only thing I would expect people to do if I were trapped would be to steal my stuff.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:45 AM
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9. I think the government should play a role when its citizens are helpless.
I don't mean we should not take care of what we can. But I believe there should a role for government in emergencies when whole areas are down and out.

There should be an organized emergency management agency. Not one that was put into Homeland Security and defunded essentially.

We saw an area devastated by 3 hurricane eyes in 6 weeks. We could not have done it alone.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:17 PM
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15. the previous poster was right....
whether or not it's a gop mindset...it has become very obvious that this government is ill prepared to help it's citizens in case of an emergency, in any way...you WILL have to depend upon yourself..the only way they would be willing to help...is to declare martial law..imo they are waiting for the justification to do exactly that...is that a sorry state of affairs...you betcha...is there any excuse...NO...but unfortunately...that is just the way it appears to be..actually, it seems to me, that everything has been very carefully manipulated and engineered over the last 7 years to bring about this exact state of affairs...

I believe I saw a thread on DU this morning that explains exactly how ill-prepared this gov't was to even handle all the offers of help that came after Katrina, and what they did with that help...it is sickening.... considering the state of affairs in the Gulf region still(and in Florida also?)...it's disgusting beyond words.. So if that doesn't tell what this year could be like for anyone living in a disaster area of any type, or convince anyone that they will have to do for themselves, rather than count on your gov't to do anything but take advantage of the situation for their own ends...I don't know what will...
windbreeze...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:20 PM
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22. We saw it in action here in 04.
I still say I believe the government should be there. If we sit back and do nothing and say nothing like is happening here in Florida....then we will get nothing.

Don't you expect your party to start trying to change that mindset? I do.

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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 11:59 PM
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23. I understand what you are saying....
but I am saying I don't think they feel the same way...and I believe things have been deliberately manipulated so that they won't be there for us...you don't defund programs you feel are needed...you don't cut funding for the levees in NO, repeatedly since 2001, and then expect them to hold through a cat 4 hurricane...You don't send our NG to foreign soil to fight an illegal war, and then make them leave all their equipment, so that they are rendered about useless even after they do return...how long will it be, before the NG can replace all the equipment all the different states' guards have left there and come home w/o??? In the meantime, until that equipment has been replaced, how do we count on them?

Do I wish our party would change things...??? sure...but I wish our party had done a lot of things they haven't done, in the last 7 years....so until things change...I won't delude myself...I will be as prepared as I can...for any disaster...and NOT count on anyone but those I know I can...
windbreeze
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KatyaR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:55 AM
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10. I think I remember hearing Rachel Maddow say recently that
much of the National Guard equipment that was sent to Iraq is not being used and is just sitting there. What a friggin' waste of money and resources.

I wonder how long and just how much of a disaster it will take in this country for people to realize how bad things have become.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 08:10 AM
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11. I'm surprised our enemies haven't figured out that we are now
more vulnerable at home than ever before. We'll be fightin' 'em over here 'fore long.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 08:12 AM
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12. That's alright, if they aren't available, other countries can send aid.
No, wait..........
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 11:22 AM
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13. According to NPR this morning, the medical supplies Italy sent after Katrina
were left outside to rot!
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:18 PM
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16. That just goes along with what and how this country thinks about Louisiana
Trust me no one in Louisiana were surprised at any of that.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 06:24 PM
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19. Several points:
1, What do you mean by "this country"? Did the federal government under the Republicans favor Mississippi with a Republican government over Louisiana with a Democratic governor? I think the answer is a clear yes.

2. It's my impression that the state and local governments in Louisiana were in a state of denial about the possibility of disaster and themselves were in poor shape to respond to the situation. Of course, they were not given proper assistance by the Feds.

3. I think the American people tried to help and would have helped more if they had known what to do.

4. I was in New Orleans recently and was absolutely outraged when I saw exactly where the flood had been and realized how little was done during the the period 24-48 hours after the hurricane. To think of people dying in the hospitals while Bush was making his appearance in Jackson Square!!!More should have been done before; response units should have been standing by to assist as soon as the storm passed over. Certainly now, two years after the hurricane, there should not be a continuing problem.

5. What happened to the Gulf Coast is a warning to the rest of us. Scientists and historians have been warning for years that a hurricane will sooner or later travel up the East coast tearing into areas developed since the last big storm. We all know that each day is one day closer to the Big One that is going to hit California. Each day is one day closer to the next flu pandemic. In no way whatsoever is the federal government prepared to respond to these disasters that we know are coming.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 11:26 AM
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14. Governors must show some guts and stand up
to Bushco.
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mile18blister Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 12:42 PM
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17. Southern California fire season will be brutal.
The whole place is a tinderbox. L.A. had about 20% of normal rainfall this season. We need the CA National Guard here. Bring every state's NG back so they can do what they are trained to do - guard the US.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 03:26 PM
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18. Better have a plan to get out of town fast, because Bushco
has seen to it that the Feds and State will not be able to respond to disasters.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:04 PM
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20. If Crist were a Democrat which he is not I would as the Democrat...
make sure the Floridians knew about the equipment reduction. And then make sure to repeat that immediately after the hurricane destruction.

Since Florida does not have a Democratic Governor the next best thing would be for the Democratic Senator to make the announcement to the citizens.

And then repeat it again during the 2008 Presidential election cycle.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-29-07 07:11 PM
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21. Thank God there's FEMA
What?

Oops, forgot this: :sarcasm:
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 12:44 AM
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24. kicking
Thanks for posting this.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 02:53 AM
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25. Every mishandled natural disaster...
...in the next year and half will translate to loss of votes for the GOP in the '08 elections and THAT is the only fact that might put the administration and their colleagues into a higher gear.

It's pretty much a given in popular wisdom that had the Katrina debacle occurred in '04, Shrub wouldn't have won re-election.

People now are ready to blame the slightest incompetence in FEMA on the folks in the White House. After the mid-term elections and the way things are shaping up with proceedings and trials in D.C., I think response might be better these next couple of seasons. It's not a matter of increased empathy, merely political expedience.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 01:21 PM
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26. I am really waiting to see what happens this summer.
Will another Katrina size disaster mean impeachment?
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