(Dutch) School Scraps Nature Course As Pigs Enrage Muslim Pupils

[Rage for Order]

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/270407_1.htm

AMSTERDAM, 27/04/07 - A school in Amsterdam has halted lessons on rural life because the Islamic children refused to talk about pigs. Reporting this, Alderman Lodewijk Asscher said he wants to take "tough measures." Subsidies for all kinds of dubious groups must stop and parents of unruly children penalised financially.

Asscher told newspaper De Volkskrant: "A primary school in Amsterdam-Noord has decided no longer to teach about living on a farm. Various pupils began to demolish the classroom when the pig came up for discussion. Apparently it has gone that far. These children, 9, 10 years old, have not been given even the most elementary rules at home about why they must go to school."


Just when you think things can't get more ridiculous, children start demolishing a classroom because the teacher wanted to talk about pigs on a farm.

[givemebackmycountry]

1. Maybe American students should do the same -

When the teachers start to discuss the pigs in the current White House.

[JDPriestly]

2. This is the result of a guest worker program.

Bush wants us to have guest workers. I lived in Europe many years and saw guest worker programs. Don't allow them here. They breed an embittered, disenfrachised underclass without any rights. -- It's a form of political slavery. That is precisely what we fought the Civil War to end.

[DeepBlueC]

7. I'm with you there

What Bush wants is lots of cheap labor that CAN'T VOTE.

[mainer]

3. Holland is a total mess. All my dutch friends are fleeing it.

Horror stories abound, from my very LIBERAL Dutch contacts, about muslim kids running amok in schools, and the Dutch teachers and administrators terrified of disciplining them because of either real or perceived threats of retaliation. One girl was choked by a muslim boy, and there was no penalty because the boy was a special disciple of a revered mullah, who forbade any disciplining of the boy. Even the boy's mother was forbidden from disciplining her own son because she was just a woman, and only a man had the authority to rein the kid in. The police were called in, and they were too scared to do anything.

The Dutch were too slow to understand what's been happening. The French, however, seem to understand.

[mainegreen]

29. Yup. All the dutch I know freak if you mention Moroccans.

The general feeling is that they will never be Dutch, and must be expelled for the good of society.
It's really more of a mid-southern Nederland thing.
There aren't as many immigrants in the northern provinces.

[elehhhhna]

31. Having just read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book, I think it is time for

Holland to begin the deportations.

Their high welfare payments, etc. have attracted many deperate refugees who, unforutnately, insist on importing the social rules that destroyed the very countries they fled.

[Warpy]

4. Demolishing anything is clearly unacceptable

Accommodation for Muslim students might be to allow those to skip that particular lesson, although it seems pretty silly to do even that.

The parents need to be billed for the damages.

[Kber]

5. Some other headlines from this "news source"

http://www.nisnews.nl/http://www.nisnews.nl/


General Amnesty Also for Lying Asylum-Seekers

Minister Rejects Obligation for GPs to Report Child Abuse

Free TV Sets for the Unemployed in Groningen

just saying

[Rage for Order]

6. From their website:

NIS News Bulletin is the longest-running Dutch daily newspaper in English. Its history goes back to 1965 when the then state news agency ANP started a newsletter in English for the foreign community, called ANP News Bulletin. In 1997, Netherlands Info Services BV (NIS) acquired the journal and continued it under its current name, NIS News Bulletin.

I see nothing sinister regarding those headlines. They are simply reporting the news.

Free TV Sets for the Unemployed in Groningen
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/280407_3.htm

GRONINGEN, 28/04/07 - Long-term unemployed people in Groningen whose TV sets, washing machines or refrigerators break down can get a new one from the municipality free of charge.

The settlement applies to people who have been living on a minimum income for five years or longer. From September on, they will receive an allowance for the cost - with no repayment settlement - if replacement is needed, the city council executive has decided.

The settlement not only applies to people on social welfare but also to elderly people without supplementary pensions. As Alderman Peter Verschuren explained, "all your reserves are exhausted once you have to get by on the minimum for a while". People are permitted to make use of the settlement once every year.

General Amnesty Also for Lying Asylum-Seekers
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/280407_1.htm

THE HAGUE, 28/04/07 - Asylum-seekers who lied about their identity or background in their asylum application will be admitted to the general amnesty anyway. The cabinet has agreed on this, insiders in The Hague reported Friday.

In their coalition accord, the Christian democrats (CDA), Labour (PvdA) and small Christian party ChristenUnie agreed earlier that there would be a one-time amnesty for rejected asylum-seekers who applied for asylum before 1 April 2001 and have since remained in the Netherlands. Last month, insiders already reported that they would be allowed to have a criminal record providing it showed no unconditional jail sentence of 30 days or more.

[Richard Steele]

10. Not surprising. I already had "news source" in mental quotes just from the story above.

Long on outrage, really short on actual facts. For starters,
does this "school" actually have a name?

Sounds EXACTLY like the kinda crap the Repubs spread around
over here about the Eevool Libruls destroyin' our society...
middle-school urban legend passed off as fact.

[Cass]

8. Demolishing the classroom is unacceptable.

These children are out of line for demolishing the classroom, period. At that age they should be expected to behave properly rather than going nuts and demolishing a classroom because they don't like a particular lesson. The parents should be made to pay for the damage caused by their children.

My patience is wearing thin with people who expect everyone else to adopt their religious codes and standards.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

9. Sorry, but I can't tolerate religious fundamentalist extremism in any form

in public institutions.

That goes for snake-handling Evangelical whackos who don't want evolution taught in our schools as well as Moslem extremists who create havoc in a classroom over a pig and who belittle and discriminate against women.

In their own countries where their way of thought predominates, they should be allowed to practice whatever they want in peace without Western nations invading them or bothering them. In their own homes in Western countries they should be able to think and act as they please. But when they use public institutions in modern 21 century societies in the West, they should either keep their cultural and religious practices entirely, 100% at home or go back to a country where their schools allow this sort of thing. This is not discrmination against any specific religion or culture, but it's discrimination against those who do not accept the modern world and want to force their ignorance on others.

All men (and women) are created equal, black, brown, white, etc. But not all cultures, philosophies, and world views are created equal. Some are still mired in the darkness of the 7th century and have not accepted the enlightenment. That also goes for white American Evangelical morons who want to teach kids in school that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

[Orrin_73]

11. Funny, I live in holland and have not heard about this

Is this some kind of a joke?

[WinkyDink]

14. Where, in "holland"?

[Igel]

17. Amsterdam, it seems,.

Specifically, Amsterdam-Noord.

But no more specifically than that.

[WinkyDink]

26. I was asking the poster above mine, who lives in "holland" and not "The Netherlands" ;).

[Orrin_73]

28. Nijmegen, near the german border

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. This would appear to be the original story

www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article419170.ece/Asscher_opvoedplicht_voor_ouders

With a rather strange translation from BabelFish:

two recent experiences the from Amsterdam alderman has shocked. Conclusion of Lodewijk Asscher, tevens metropolitan list trigger of the PvdA: ‘There opvoedplicht must come. And with the rondpompen of millions subsidy of one to the other well-being institution it has expired. ’ On a party meeting in Amsterdam-Noord tell he how of its election promise, ‘children firstly’, little still very in practice –‘is it has arrived much more terrible than I thought’.

Asscher: ‘A primary school in this stadsdeel has the children decided no longer teach concerning living on a farm. Different students vomit, as it happens, the affair finished as soon as the pig came for the talk. Up to that point it has therefore apparently come. These children, 9,.10 years have not got old, of house from even the most elementary rules for which they must to school.’

The parents of these children, demonstrate the alderman, must indringend be addressed, learning civil servants and care workers. And then not an action coordinated in savage gone, no, by means of, where the child is no longer released. ‘Why don't you educate your children in fact? Why can't the teacher tell concerning varkens?’

' minimum education requirements '
Opvoedplicht therefore, enforced with negative financial pivots, such as discount on the child benefit or a lower benefit. Asscher: ‘It concerns minimum education requirements. And too rapidly to palliatives do not seize but address the parents themselves and help. There too much the idea dominates that people with cannot little money or another context educate their children. That finds I denigrating to all those people who that, however, well do.’

To be second shock, tells Asscher, was the complaint of a Moroccan volunteer. ‘The man, in daily living gatekeeper at a disco, performs well work. He collects among others rolstoelen for disableds in Surinam, Morocco and Turkey. He regulates that there doctors go to those countries. He has this way obtained for this’n fifty knapen of the street, really enormous charge packages.
...

'Vomit'? Something lost in translation, I hope. Can you comment if the "NIS News Bulletin" rendering seems accurate?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Lou Dobbs moved to The Netherlands?

[WinkyDink]

13. I think the Dutch are in serious trouble, re: remaining a liberal nation.

One politician has already been assassinated.

And is this article all a pack of lies?
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/396

[treestar]

15. This is only one incident, which may not even be true

Let's not get this out of proportion. This is exactly the type of thing my right wing friends dig up to try to "prove" all Muslims are irrational.

[Rage for Order]

16. B.S.

This isn't to "prove" that all muslims are bad anymore than posting an article about Don Imus is trying to "prove" that all radio talk show hosts are bad. Sure, this is only one incident. The murder of Theo van Gogh was only one incident. The death threats against Aayan Hirsi Ali, who wrote the script for van Gogh's film, was only one incident.

This is just another in a long string of examples of fundamentalist nutcases trying to change society to fit their beliefs, nothing more, nothing less.

[treestar]

19. They're hardly going to succeed

especially at the age of 9.

We have a few of our own. They are at "Jesus Camp."

[Rex]

20. Ahhhh...religion, see how good it is for developing minds?

Did they play Grand Theft Auto as well? :eyes:

[piedmont]

21. Europe is going to be a very interesting experiment in liberalism and tolerance.

Can a liberal, secular democracy exercise its much-valued tolerance of other cultures and beliefs, when a growing part of its population constitutes a highly intolerant religious culture? Can both cultures share the same geographic area peacefully? Will one be absorbed into the other? Or will one be subjugated by the other? As someone upthread pointed out, different European nations seem to be treating the situation rather differently, with different outcomes likely.

[sutz12]

22. It would seem that America is doing a similar experiment. nt

[piedmont]

24. true.

[murloc]

23. What is it with Muslims and pigs ????

I understand that they feel that pigs offend Allah.

Who do they think made the pigs in the first place?

I say this not to offend any Islamics...I just don't understand the logic.

[Rex]

25. They were 9 and 10 year old children, probably had a better grasp

on reality until they learned how evil pigs are. No offense either, just strikes me as crazy shit people do over here; like Jesus Camp where a toddler can soon learn how to be a Warrior for Jesus Christ.

I'm very disappointed in the solution by the school authorities.

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

27. this seems rather dubious

seems more like anti-Muslim propaganda. The Netherlands is a hotbed right now in that department.

[BlooInBloo]

30. Sounds like a parody.

[JCMach1]

32. Check the source on this, because it is beyond the pale of stupid

There are lots of 'unclean' animals in Islam, but I don't see street riots to get rid of Animal Planet!