Impeachment may be the ONLY WAY to influence the President

[Perky]

The President will not accept a timeline
Rice says he will not accept Benchmarks.
He has emphatically said that we will be there as long as it takes.

There is no end to this quagmire.

His way or the highway?

if he vetoes a a second resolution: Send him a clean bill that supports the troops and then move articles of impeachment for him and Cheney.

I have been unconvinced of the viability of the option for the last five years. I am convinced it may well be the only option.

[Vincardog]

1. How about don't send him another bill? If he does not want the money he can bring the troops home.

Then move articles of impeachment for him and Cheney.
Do it NOW.

[spartan61]

2. ABSOLUTELY!!! n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Not So Fast

Bush will claim that he has his magic war powers that enable him to do anything - including redirect money.

If Congress disagrees, it would go to the courts.

We might lose. Our chances of losing are, I suspect, greater than they used to be because Congress essentially assented (refused to censure) to the president on his previous use of magical war powers to bypass Congress.

An impeachment would definitely work - and is appropriate.

[Vincardog]

22. I am getting pretty damn tired of being told not to fight jr's illegal activities.

We Elected Democratic representatives so they could REPRESENT US.

I do not believe we have to be bound by previous congressional in-action,
The SCOTUS does not believe they should be bound by precedent.

[flobee1]

4. The thing that bothers me

As soon as Murtha Mentioned it, the media started spouting that the Dems want to impeach the presiedent
He never said president, just impeachment

I say we go with the Kucinich plan to impeach the VP
-we get the person who weilds the power
-we still send the pres a message that he could be next if he doesnt change


If the dems actually take a stand on this, it might work to our favor

[Perky]

21. Being oblvious and evil is not a crime

give me a crime and I will jump on that bandwagon

[Time for change]

5. I believe that impeachment IS the only way

And if it's not the only way, it certainly is the best way. There are plenty more than enough grounds for it.

[mmonk]

6. They sure seem entrenched, that's for sure.

And real ideological about executive power trumping other branches.

[cassiepriam]

7. If Bush is impeached and relieved of the presidency, will he go quietly?

I doubt it.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. What do you think he'd do?

barricade himself inside the oval office?

[cassiepriam]

10. Hard to tell what he will do. Anything is possible. Especially now that he is drunk most of the time

After watching his latest dancing idiocy I put nothing past him.
He is out of control.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. well

I think it's sheer lunacy to think that he would somehow try to remain President after being impeached and removed.

I know it's "cool" to come up with the most outrageous scenarios, but let's be realistic. People here said we'd have no elections in 2002, 2004 and 2006. People here said giant, enormous, Bush-orchestrated terrorist-attacks would occur before the elections. People here say that every time a shark eats a kid, it's a Bush-orchestrated plot to distract the media from.... well, something.

I think it's overdone.

[cassiepriam]

13. I would have agreed with you 6 months ago. But now I look at how drunk he is in public

every day. So I have no idea what would happen.
He is out of control at this point.
And he is pretty crazy to begin with, so who knows...

I don't think it would be a dramatic stand off.
But I do think he would pull every string he could think of.
Legal or not.

Or perhaps he would just walk out. He has to be sick of working and
taking flak for how inept he is... maybe he wants out as badly as we want
him out.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. well

I don't believe he's drunk in public, either. That's just another example, imo, of people ascribing absolutely the worst attributes imaginable to him.

To me, it's exactly like the Freepers just KNOWING that Bill Clinton was a coke-head and a rapist, and that Hillary was a murderer and a drug-runner. They just KNEW it to be true.

I thought it was dumb of them then, and I have no more respect for people who believe such corresponding silliness today.

[cassiepriam]

16. For those with training and experience in alcohol rehab there is little doubt

But most lay people are still in denial.

Just like when Reagan had Alzheimer's.
And Nixon was on Valium.
And George Sr had serious thyroid disease (Graves) just before he
started his war in the Mideast.
You can google these illnesses and they are now documented fact.
But at the time people argued with me when I stated the obvious, just like you are now.

And I don't ascribe the worst attributes to Bush Jr.
Just the reality that he is mentally ill.
Drug and alcohol addicted, sociopathic and narcissistic personality disorders.
And a dementia of some sort.

If you have the training and experience all of the above is obvious.

(edit to add: the medical community has been buzzing about this for a long time now.)

[MonkeyFunk]

17. Sorry

I find that equivalent to Bill Frist diagnosing Terri Schiavo via video. It's unprofessional and unreliable.

it's gossip, it's not medicine.

[cassiepriam]

19. I admire your skepticism. That is a good trait.

Except when it prevents someone from facing the truth.

And the truth is that the most powerful man in the world
is now drunk most every day.

And anyone will any survival instinct at all might want
to listen to what the professionals are trying to tell them.

Peace and blessings to you.
Have a good day.

[MonkeyFunk]

20. ah

condescension.

You think that's a valid way to diagnose someone? By how they appear to you on TV?

And people who disagree with that method of diagnoses are "in denial"?

The reason I don't think he's appearing daily drunk in public is that I don't believe the press would keep it a secret. Simple as that. It would be a HUGE blockbuster story that could make a reporter's career - they all refrain from mentioning it, even underhandedly, out of some sense of obligation to Bush? It makes no sense.

Anyway, you go diagnose him via video and diagnose me as being "in denial". I'll give it the attention it deserves.

[StarryNite]

8. Defend our constitution

impeach! I think starting with cheney is a good strategy.

[OtisTDog]

11. IMPEACHMENT CAN NEVER HAPPEN

... unless, of course, the people demand it. So help MAKE it happen and demand it!

Take a peek at this page:

http://www.usalone.com/cgi-bin/transparency.cgi?paper=1&qnum=pet45

Those are real comments left by real Americans expressing their opinion on the recently-filed impeachment charges against Cheney. The participation page is at:

http://www.usalone.com/cheney_impeachment.php

Similar to a MoveOn petition, participants can choose to have their comments sent to their senators, congressman, and local newspaper editors. MoveOn did not create this one since the Democratic Party leadership does not yet support impeachment, but they WILL support it if they are convinced that people really want it.

Make your voice heard! Get your opinion to the opinion makers. Participate and tell your friends. If that list hits 100,000, it should be big enough to warrant being deemed "newsworthy".

--Otis

[porphyrian]

15. Welcome aboard. Make room for those behind you. - n/t

[Perky]

18. It is increasingly clear that to Bush withdraw is defeat

and that means stay the course and have no exit strategy

If there was an exit strategy, if there was a credible plan for Iraqi forces to take over, if there wre benchmarks to measure iraqi success at quelling sectarian strife, if there was credible evidence that sunnis and shia were working to tamp down violence and moving toward an accord. If there was any sign that we can stop the civil war from escalating, the american people would be willing to give the president a little more time.....but there is no stratgey..there is no plan...there is no hope