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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:03 PM
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Two Florida charter schools in financial crisis. Taxpayer money is paying their debt.
That means public money in Florida is going to a private company in Virginia called Imagine Schools.

That is taxpayer money profiting an Educational Management Company instead of funding public schools.

Two charter schools in fiscal trouble

Two popular Imagine charter schools in Manatee County incurred debts of nearly $900,000 and have been declared in a state of “financial emergency” by the school district.

An audit of Imagine School at Lakewood Ranch revealed debts of about $600,000 at the end of its first year. Most of that is owed to its parent company, Imagine Schools, a Virginia-based school management company that runs 74 charter schools in 12 states.


The Imagine School North Manatee’s debts were about $300,000 as at June 30, most of that also owed to Imagine Schools.

The debt is unlikely to lead to the closure of either school, but it does mean taxpayer money will be used by the schools to pay debts to their parent company that could include as much as $350,000 in interest.Charter schools are run by private boards but receive state tax money on a per-student basis.


From a 2005 article regarding these same charter schools we find that they were in financial trouble back then. And still opening more schools in Florida, with taxpayers picking up the tab.

Despite Debt, School Firm Aims to Open More Charters


Posted on: Monday, 17 October 2005, 03:01 CDT

By MICHAEL C. BENDER Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

With its 12 Florida schools already combining for more than $8.3 million in debt, one of the largest charter school companies in the country is looking to open at least nine more in the state this year, including one each in Palm Beach and Martin counties.

"There are times when you need to push for development, and now is one of those times," said Rod Sasse, director of development for Imagine Schools Inc. "Some of our schools that have been with us for a while are going out on their own now. And we just have to continue our development stream."


They are pushing for development with taxpayer money, which will profit their Virginia based EMO. They have had other problems, but they are allowed to keep growing here.

In Florida, only two charter schools managed by Imagine Schools have gone "out on their own" in the past three years, according to state and local records. The Central Florida town of Oakland took over Oakland Avenue Charter on Oct. 1 after the school received a D from the state this year. The North Tampa Alternative Charter was turned over to the school district in 2003 after several years of financial troubles. Nationally, however, two dozen Imagine-managed schools have either shut down or cut ties with the company, according to an annual Arizona State University report. Just one other charter school company has lost more during that time.

"We've got a whole list of questions for them," said Hank Salzler, Martin assistant schools superintendent. "Their finances are going to be a big deal for us."


That same article from 2005 pointed out that the money will come from taxpayers. Few seem to be noticing.

Charter schools, which are privately run schools financed largely with public taxes, were created in Florida in 1997 to provide Florida students with "innovative learning opportunities" and give parents a tuition-free option aside from public schools. While the program has been popular with parents - nearly 100,000 students enrolled in charter schools this year, up from 82,000 last year - critics say the system siphons money from school districts that cannot pick and choose their students.


They should not call it tuition free if the tab is being paid by the taxpayers.

A comment from the blog Schools Matter on the founder of these schools, Dennis Bakke.

Those are tax dollars at work paying $350,000 in interest - and working their way right into the bank accounts of the Imagine crooks. Dennis Bakke likes to rail against the "government-run monopoly" of public education, but the his operation is far less efficient than traditional public schools. Bakke, of course, prefers the privatized version of public schools, particularly when they are a potential profit source for his education empire.


Bakke is the author of Joy at Work. He and his wife are members of The Fellowship, and are involved in the anti-union movement.

When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.


A further outrage to me is that Bakke considers public schools a "monopoly". His statements are very threatening to public education.

Q: What is so broken within our public school system that charter schools stand a chance of fixing it?

Bakke: The major problem with our government-operated public schools is best understood by comparing the government monopolies that operate public elementary and secondary schools in this nation and our public university systems. The latter are considered among the best in the world. The former are generally considered very low on the quality scale. The major difference between these two education systems is that our elementary and secondary schools are government monopolies, while our colleges and universities compete for students. Students are assigned to most public K-12 schools and there is no significant competition for these students. The national result of monopolies in the private sector and the public sector is poor performance. Without the requirement to compete for students, there is little incentive for creativity, innovation, and the hard work or the long hours required to educate students and involve parents. Unlike the monopoly government schools, which exist whether parents like the schools’ performance or not, only “good” charter schools that can attract students can survive.


What a misleading statement. His schools are surviving in spite of the schools debt so the parent company can make a profit.

They are surviving because we the taxpayers are footing the bill.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:04 PM
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1. Die Charter Schools Die!
God, these kind of news stories drive me mad!:grr: :grr: :grr:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:18 PM
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2. What he said!
K & R!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:33 PM
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5. Thirded! Let them die! I despise these fraudulent things. (nt)
Edited on Mon Mar-08-10 10:33 PM by w4rma
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:33 PM
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23. +1000000000000
They're sucking desperately-needed money away from schools that actually serve EVERYONE and using it for schools that often discriminate and are outside of taxpayer accountability. Screw charters!
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:18 PM
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3. When I was a kid we walked uphill in the snow both ways to a public school
The only private schools except the ones for the rich kids were Catholic schools. No charter schools, no home schools, a high school diploma alone would put you in a decent job and the now soon to be extinct middle class.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:31 PM
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4. Bottomless pit . . .
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:44 PM
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6. Yes.
It is a bottomless pit.

It upsets me so much it is allowed to go on.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 10:59 PM
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7. Ah well {Shrug}
At least some people in Virginia walked away with a whole lot of Florida taxpayer money. Shame about the kids who are now stuck with useless credits. And the busted communities, the anger, hurt, frustration and feeling of powerlessness are just icing on the cake. So long, suckers.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:26 PM
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8. And the pitting of parents against teachers, with kids in the middle...
But a company in VA is getting richer. Yep, you are right.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 11:43 PM
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9. More Imagine outrages. Locals being excluded from hiring.
http://www.schoolsmatter.info/2010/03/imagine-schools-is-on-roll.html

"The for-profit Imagine Schools are on a roll these days. Just weeks ago, the Kennesaw Charter School celebrated their official separation from the charter manager, and it wasn't long before that that two Florida charters run by Imagine were found to be $900,000 in debt (to Imagine, of course). And this article from Karen Francisco at the Journal Gazette makes it three scandals in less than a month. Here's a little snippet, but the whole thing is worth a read:

A founding board member of the (Imagine Indiana Life Sciences Academy East) charter school, he said members of the mostly African American community surrounding the school now believe they have been shut out of a role in its operation.

Williams, who is no longer a board member, said questions have been raised about how discipline is handled at the school, with an enrollment that's 84 percent African American, 9 percent Hispanic and 5 percent multiracial. Williams said he was told that a teacher at Imagine East made the comment that "my little black students are retarded," and another disciplined students by making them get on their hands and knees on the floor.

He was also critical of the hiring process at the school, which he said mostly excluded people from the immediate community."


Taking away control of the schools from the local communities.

Arne and Obama...stop this madness.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:59 AM
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13. "Taking away control of the schools from the local communities."
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 02:04 AM by Hannah Bell
and giving them to global corporate interests.

"Imagine" = dennis bakke, co-founder & former ceo of aes (a global power & energy corp).


The company's sins are many, e.g.:

Gallardo, a soft-spoken English teacher, details the harrowing day trucks hauling ashes from AES Corporation rode into the San Antonio neighborhood; AES tractors dug 30-feet deep into the ground and the trucks spread ashes produced at the company’s coal plant in Guayama.

Gallardo is but one of many concerned neighbors from the Arroyo municipality who gathered that tempestuous night at the Arroyo Cultural Center to lead a fight against AES, a company that burns coal to generate electricity for the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority (PREPA). The citizens worry about the potential health effects on their community because some of them have already experienced respiratory problems, forcing them to relocate.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:SKPPQuTPJ8UJ:www.metrosanjuan.com/features_spec1.php+AES+Corporation+pollution+puerto+rico&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


not only in puerto rico:

AES Corporation sued for toxic tort from illegally dumping more than 100 million tons of coal ash waste in Dominican Republic.

One of the world’s largest power generating companies allegedly caused horrendous birth defects, lung injuries, and other acute and chronic medical problems from illegally dumping more than 100 million pounds of toxic coal ash onto a pristine Caribbean beachfront, according to a mass tort lawsuit filed late November 4th against Arlington, Virginia-based AES Corporation...

http://jeffreymsanders.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/kentucky-environmental-attorney-sanders-says-aes-corporation-sued-for-toxic-tort-from-illegally-dumping-more-than-100-million-tons-of-coal-ash-waste-in-dominican-republic/.


Hey, what do you think, how'd you feel if your local power corp buried its toxic waste in *your* neighborhood?

are you poor? maybe it will. that's how these people get rich -- by making poor people pay the costs of their "innovation".

that's the kind of "leader" bakke is. that's the kind of guy who's going to be running your kids' schools.




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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:31 PM
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24. "dumping more than 100 million tons of coal ash waste in Dominican Republic."
I had forgotten for a moment he founded AES

We need to remember that as he gets our taxpayer money.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:08 AM
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10. From Ft. Wayne Journal Gazette...cutting school funds while sending money to Imagine.
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100303/EDIT07/303039993/1147/EDIT07#

"What do double-digit investment returns for a Kansas City, Mo., company and the prospect of school closings and teacher layoffs in Indiana have in common? More than you might expect.

As public school districts across the state struggle to make more than $300 million in permanent budget cuts, the Wall Street Journal reports that Entertainment Properties Trust, a real estate investment trust, is enjoying 10 percent to 12 percent returns on the 27 Imagine charter school properties it owns – including Imagine MASTer Academy in Fort Wayne. Indiana taxpayers pay $740,000 a year to lease the Wells Street property from the company.

“We think there is a major opportunity here,” said Entertainment Properties CEO David Brain, whose company’s other real estate investments include cinema complexes, vineyards and a casino-resort development in the Catskills. But it likes its niche in charter schools because the “business” – as the Wall Street Journal describes it – has “great potential because demand and political support for the alternative schools are growing.”

The fact that taxpayer-supported schools are yielding attractive returns for a for-profit real estate investment trust should give pause to anyone disturbed by the deep budget cuts public schools are facing – cuts that are likely to exacerbate Indiana’s economic distress if teachers and staff members add to the unemployment rolls and the decline in income and sales tax revenues."
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:29 AM
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11. "Imagine Schools" is sharing the profit, right?
Or are they keeping the profit private while socializing the risk?
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 01:46 AM
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12. K & R thanks Mad
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:36 AM
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14. k
I rec'd earlier, here's a kick to the top.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 08:21 AM
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15. K & R nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:22 AM
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16. Something is fundamentally wrong when taxpayers have to pick up the tab
for private charter schools.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:46 AM
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17. Very wrong.
What is even more wrong is that most Democrats either don't care or are not paying attention.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 04:19 PM
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26. I know! It's driving me berserk.
Whenever I try to bring this up, people actually defend charter schools.

It's upsetting me a lot and I feel so helpless about it.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:47 AM
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18. Where are the Charter School Cheerleaders?
Can it be that they might be learning? See. With a good teacher like MF, anyone can learn.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:50 AM
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19. Aw...nice. But they will be along soon...huffing and puffing
and talking about the bad public school teachers.

:evilgrin:
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:58 PM
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31. I cannot believe that there are actually proponents of charter schools on this board
seriously.
turning education over to corporations is only ensuring you create drone factories with no accountability to anyone except their owners.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 12:19 AM
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35. But, but, my precious snookums
is so special he gets to go to a really special academy school. Screw the children o the nation if it means my child doesn't get an advantage.

Of course they aren't really getting an advantage any more than New Coke was better than old coke or Brawny is the quicker picker upper. Hype sells.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 11:52 AM
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20. All these charter schools are.....
is another way for business to take money away from the people.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:10 PM
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21. Manatee's have schools?
:spank:

With this rotten legislature, they'll clean out the treasury for them.

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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-10 03:36 AM
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36. No, they are mammals, and a group is a herd.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 01:23 AM
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37. I know
I love them, and swim with them on occasion. And see them when I'm kayaking.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 12:31 PM
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22. to bad the whitehouse is blind to charter schools...
Edited on Tue Mar-09-10 12:31 PM by madrchsod
not one taxpayer penny should go to fund these schools. the whitehouse could put a stop to this but....
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 02:49 PM
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25. "Privatize profits, socialize losses" is change we can believe in?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 05:47 PM
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27. What a scam
it reminds me of pro sports teams that cry that they're losing money hand over fist, so the city, county, state or whatever better build them an expensive new ballpark or arena or they'll take their marbles and go home.

It always turns out that the profits are being made by the concessionaires, TV contracts, etc., and the actual team is losing money only on paper. Yet, they nearly always get bailed out. :eyes:
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 06:57 PM
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28. Someone in a district with lots of charters needs to file suit on home taxes, since the $ does not
go to public institutions. I wonder if that would work.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 08:04 PM
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29. Charter schools = transcontiental railroad
A possibly honorable business motive, overlying epic economic crime.

In the case of charter schools, the hook in the con is that it is the fault of the old (unionized) teachers and other people's dumb kids that the uncouth little goons Al & Peg sent to school are functionally illiterate when the should be going to a classy college on scholarship. Then Mr Bakke comes along, says he has a magic plan to fix it all, and all you gottta do is turn your checkbook over to him - and all the kids will become above average, well behaved scholars.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 09:56 PM
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30. Thank you! I've contacted my state reps! Get rid of charters now!
:mad:
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:17 PM
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32. If you are a free market believer, you have to let the charter school die
That won't happen, which makes charter schools a glorified handout to whoever wins the government contract. But that has always been the problem with privatization efforts. It is only free market idealism until the business with government contacts is in danger of losing money.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:18 PM
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33. This is with FL expecting a 3-4 Billion budget shortfall this year...
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-10 10:19 PM
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34. You Say It Better Than I Ever Could
Thank you.:)
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