If this bill was a republican bill a few years back I have no doubt most here would oppose it

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n/t

[leftstreet]

1. +1

[joeybee12]

2. As opposed to it being basically a Republican bill today?

I agree.

[depakid]

4. Exactly

and the same "Democratic" Senators who've gutted the popular and effective provisions of the legislation would be on board.

[bvar22]

35. On Target:

Individual Mandates to BUY Health Insurance + NO Public Option + Tax Increase on the Working Class + massive transfer of Public Money to Private Pockets + $500Billion Dollar de-funding of Medicare = Republican Health Care SCAM.

It has been infuriating to helplessly watch the steady gutting of HCR Reform over the last year as the Democrats surrendered Issue by Issue to The Republicans until there was nothing "Democratic" left in the bill.
The Republicans got nearly everything they wanted without having to assume ANY Political Risk.
NOW that the Republicans have everything they want, the Democratic Leadership decides it is time to FORCE this awful Republican Bill through reconciliating.

THIS in and of itself negates the Democratic Party Leadership's excuse of needing 60 votes.
How Many Times did you see that "argument" on DU explaining the NEED to ditch the Public Option?

"By their WORKS, you will know them."

[557188]

3. Everyone would call it fascist

Too many jersey cheering going on anymore. :(

[sharp_stick]

5. It would never be a Republican bill

this bill moves things forward a little bit and that is something that Republicans would never allow.

There will never be any form of healthcare change under a repuke administraton and/or congress ever.

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7. Exchanges, Mandates, Tax Cuts are all republican ideas

[sharp_stick]

16. Uh huh

and if there was a repuke administration absolutely none of any of it would be discussed, at all.. period.

There would be no talk, no questions, no reform and no changes at all. The term healthcare reform would never be heard.

If Obama and Congress tosses in a few repuke ideas and the bill gets passed, I'll take the fucking thing. Basically because it's more than we have now and it's more than we will have in 10 years if it fails.

The bitching and moaning that it's not everything we want it to be is a losers game and it always will be.

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21. You are so far in denial its not even funny

The point is these are republican ideas, when they are discussed is not the issue. I can promise you I will find many republicans supporting exchanges, mandates, and tax cuts to deal with health care all throughout the Bush years. And I can promise you had this bill been exactly the same most of you would be bitching and moaning about it. Now that it's a democrat proposing this bill suddenly we all have to tow the party line, I say fuck that.

What the democrats did is they took all these republican ideas and used them to frame their bill while sprinkling in a few democratic ideas. They took out any real progressive reform including the ability to buy in to medicare or in to a public option.

[sharp_stick]

27. denial?

What part of what I said is denial? Do you know what being in denial means?

Shit, I know this bill is filled with crap, but I also know it's a lot better than what we have now and it's a lot better than we'll have if it's defeated.

Shit, denial is pretending that defeating this bill would ever give us anything in the future that is better than what we have now.

on edit: I'd take the damned bill simply because Limpballs says he'll leave the country if it passes.

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31. The denial is the part where you say that the dems threw in a few republican ideas

no, they made those republican ideas the central part of their legislation.

And as happy as I'd be with Limpballs leaving the country him leaving the country isn't going to help me with the $200 monthly bill I will not be forced to caugh up even if I cant afford it.

[Skidmore]

8. +1 Right on target.

Republicans like things just the way they are--going to hell in a handbasket. Anyone who doesn't take some steps forward, stands still with the Rs.

[Pithlet]

6. But interestingly enough, Repubs didn't propose such a bill a few years back.

Hmmmm....

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9. They were too busy with teh gay

[SemiCharmedQuark]

11. Funny that.

[FrenchieCat]

10. That's taking a giant leap into the "Speculative" cause I think so mode.....

I'm not sure if that really does anything......
since speculations about something that didn't happen
are hard to use as the indication of anything.

Maybe because we have big problems to solve,
and my aim is closer to have us as a country achieve
some positive end results that deviate from where things currently stand,
and just the billions in Community Health Services,
ending pre-existing conditions, and closing the elderly Drug donut hole,
by themselves are not something I would ever envision
the Bush WH as proposing or doing, since they had the chance,
but never did.

If you don't have anything better to do though,
I understand why you would write this op....
a thought came to you, and you've figured
that someone else needed to know what you were thinking;
that's what the Internet is for, so I understand it,
and I'm sure you will have some that agree with you,
because they also don't have anything better to do,
but as far as your thoughts helping this country in the long run,
well, I don't really think that this brain fart hits the spot for most....
although for sure, it will for those who really are always looking for
this kind of "stuff".

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13. You know you dont actually have to hit enter at the end of each line right?

[FrenchieCat]

17. Actually, I don't think that this matters

at all.

I'm sure that there are a lot of things I'd rather folks not do,
but in the end, that decision doesn't belong to me.

Kind of like this OP.

[Oregone]

12. It was. Google "National Health Insurance Partnership Act"

And the Democrats vehemently opposed it

[upi402]

14. true, lol k/r n/t

[harun]

15. Agree, this is Romney care. Only Dem part of the bill is the PO

which of course they removed.

[Little Star]

18. Stop telling it like it is! LOL

[Lorien]

19. Yep. Just goes to prove the power of advertising. nt

[tridim]

20. The Republicans are for the status quo, and they always have been.

Your post makes absolutely no sense.

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. What you fail to grasp is that this bill IS the status quo.

It furthers the privatization of health care, throws billions of taxpayer dollars at the private health insurance industry, and makes no real guarantees of reducing costs to the 'consumer' (known as 'patients' in civilized countries).

[depakid]

26. The Medicare Part D scam wasn't the status quo

[yowzayowzayowza]

22. No chance.

I'da fallin' over dead in utter amazement.

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24. Chuck Grassley on mandates in June 2009, he supported them

On FOX News: "But when it comes to states requiring it for automobile insurance, the principle then ought to lie the same way for health insurance. Because everybody has some health insurance costs, and if you aren’t insured, there’s no free lunch. Somebody else is paying for it... I believe that there is a bipartisan consensus to have individual mandates."

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/flip-floppin-chuck-grassley-mandates

[yowzayowzayowza]

30. How many things in this bill has Grassley never supported? n/t

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32. Im sure if I looked hard enough I could find him saying good things about exchanges

[Motown_Johnny]

25. a few years back I didn't have any health care. I would have loved the help

[Odin2005]

28. Sucky Fascist bills are OK as long as "our side" is doing it, doncha know?

:banghead:

[stray cat]

29. Most are ignorant is your point?

[LanternWaste]

33. All of my hypotheticals are 100% correct too.

All of my hypothetical, what-if scenarios are 100% correct too.

[mdmc]

34. no doubt

ditto with the bailouts..