The REPUBLICANS have spoken..."Impeachment would hurt the Democrats."

[Atman]

Anyone watching "Fucker Carlson?" The message is clear from all the Republicans...the Democrats should just leave George alone.

:eyes:

I sure wish I could find this "liberal media" they're always talking about. Sounds cool!

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[aquart]

1. Obviously, then, the Republicans should help us do it..

Right?

[Roland99]

4. I think you're on to something!

[indie_voter]

10. BWHAHAHA! Excellent!!! I love this response. n/t

[grytpype]

21. Logical.

[The Count]

2. Wow! Someone is running scared! I wonder who whispers in HIS year?

(see thread with Tweety's whisperer)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x791186

[cassiepriam]

3. Yep, doing the right thing sometimes hurts. Doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.

[Jackpine Radical]

5. The amazing thing is that all of a sudden TALK of impeachment, at least,

is on the table everywhere. Murtha's getting the word out there. Fucker's saying it. Apparently, according to another thread, Fucker even said that if McGovern's right about the yellowcake story, it's an impeachable offense.

It's in the air. I love the smell of the air in spring in Wsconsin. Apple and chokecherry blossoms, cowshit, and now the delicate dor of impeachment wafting on the breeze.

[calimary]

18. On Wisconsin, then! Yes. Your point is VERY well-taken. What is

INDEED significant here is that IMPEACHMENT is suddenly on everyone's lips. It is LONG PAST being taboo. IMPEACHMENT is no longer That-Which-Must-Not-Be-Discussed. Those days are OVER.

I think it's because a really significant critical mass point has been reached. It's a combination of things: tenet, IMPEACHMENT WEEKEND and all the activities, large and small, from coast to coast, Murtha, Kucinich, Waxman's hearings - particularly the Tillman hearings, gonzales, Pelosi and Reid standing firm, the suspicions about rove (and the purported new investigations into what he's been up to), the US Attorney scandal, the Democratic candidates' first debate and how well they all looked, overall, AND also the fact that more people are protesting openly, and those keep-em-outta-sight "First Amendment Zones" aren't religiously enforced anymore. The protest against bush at Miami/Dade over the weekend had some 600 people out in force - really close to the action, completely peaceful, with a handful of sad little isolated pro-bushies on the side, feeling grossly outnumbered. And the police were VERY hands-off. Plus, little unexpected bonus extras, like Stephanie Miller on nationwide TV - MSNBC in the mornings, in a high-profile fill-in for the dear-departed Don Imus. She was up front and out loud with a lot of things that no one would have dared bring up, much less joke about in such a freewheeling manner, saying the things that needed to be said. And from the watching/listening that I did just this morning, I could hear she won converts and new fans. Plus, the switchboard people at MSNBC sounded awfully excited and envigorated. In fact, they were welcoming input from viewers. (201) 583 - 5000 is the phone number there.

[Joe for Clark]

6. They think - you know - that america would never

go along with it when the country was engaged in a war. They think that.

Well, they have been wrong about everything else, too.

Sure we would. This is only a war for a few. Their reasoning is fundamentally flawed.

If B*sh is counting on such reasoning - I predict he is about to have a really bad day.

Joe

[ChairmanAgnostic]

7. YE OLDE LAST RESORT DEFENSE - (pathetic offense)

I wonder whether Sucker's name happens to be on the DC madam's list.

he is awfully nervous about it.

[endarkenment]

8. Well indeed it could.

Doing the right thing frequently has risks and unpleasant consequences.

[Joe for Clark]

12. Maybe -

DOing the popular thing - that thing the country agrees on - doesn't.

This country has no vested interests in this war as a whole.

Kind of changes the dynamic - doesn't it??

Joe

[patrice]

9. Why does anyone think Repuglycans say anything to or about us

for our own good?

Remember Rove saying how much he hoped we would nominate Howard Dean?

Get a clue Folks: if "slam dunk" means the case is weak, Impeachment hurts Dems means Impeachment is GOOD for Dems.

[Joe for Clark]

11. I think you got it just right!!

[patrice]

19. Think of how many people are angry about family suffering for this

damn war. People WANT Justice and we're not going to find it in Iraq!

I just really hope it all results in a deep discussion of how WE allowed ourselves to be lied to and duped for our own self-serving reasons.

[Joe for Clark]

20. Yeah, I guess I know about that.

I hope that happens - RIGHT AFTER the kids are pullled out of there.

This is so bad. It is hard for me to believe this is even happeneing.

Joe

[patrice]

24. I'm not sure I understand why my nephews in Iraq need W.

Are their officers going to abandon them? Are we going to abandon them?

It's not exactly as though things could be any worse for them.

Maybe once we actually change course and honestly try to do the right things, including the kind of diplomatic approach that Bill Richardson is advocating, something might get a little better over there. Why would the Sunni, Shia and Kurds punish us for doing what they want?

[Joe for Clark]

26. But their officers did abandon them - they did that the day

they knew the truth.

I totally exempt the juniors from that condemnation - but I hold everyone accountable above that.

Cause they knew - and they went along with this non-sense.

I think we are in very much the same boat. Makes me crazy sometimes. It does all of us.

It is not a two way or a three way fight. It is a lot more than that.

We do understand each other though.

Joe

[yurbud]

13. that's like Karl Rove saying he HOPED Howard Dean would get the Dem nomination in '04

reverse strategery.

Therefore, get the klieg lights, congressional fluffers, and let's roll!

[Poiuyt]

14. Impeachment would HELP the Democrats

But is impeachment really a political loser? Not if history is a guide. There have been nine attempts since the founding of the republic to move articles of impeachment against a sitting president. In the cases in which impeachment was proposed by members of an opposition party, that party either maintained or improved its position in Congress at the next general election. In seven instances the party that proposed impeachment secured the presidency in the next election.

snip -

The benefit of an impeachment fight to an opposition party comes not in the removal of an individual who happens to wear the label of another party. Rather, it comes in the elevation of the discourse to a higher ground where politicians and voters can ponder the deeper meaning of democracy.

When the whole of a political party finally concludes that it must take up the weighty responsibility of impeaching a president, as Democrats did in 1974 but Republicans never fully did in 1998, its language is clarified and transfigured. What Walt Whitman referred to as "long dumb voices" are suddenly transformed into clarion calls as a dialogue of governmental marginalia gives way to discussion of the intent of the founders, the duty of the people's representatives, and the renewal of the republic.

When a political party speaks well and wisely of impeachment, frustrated voters come to see it in a new way. It is no longer merely the tribune of its own ambition. It becomes a champion of the American experiment. To be sure, such a leap entails risk. But it is the risk-averse political party that is most likely to remain the permanent opposition.

more -

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1109-27.htm

[butterfly77]

15. This is their message for today...

I heard Michael Medved saying this earlier and he was taking callers who were debunking this...

[Frustratedlady]

16. Would they prefer criminal charges?

[Initech]

17. Translation: Bow to your sensei!!!

[grytpype]

22. "CONCERN TROLL" ALERT!!!!

They are VERY CONCERNED that we might HURT OUR OWN CAUSE.... sure they are.

[RL3AO]

23. Yeah. Leave poor Georgie alone...hes in pain.

[symbolman]

25. The dems might be scared to death of what Bush would do

in the process.. Iraq would light up like a Christmas tree, maybe CIA blowing shit up everywhere, gotta make the point that if a REpig is NOT in office that the world is a very scary place indeed.

He'd think NOTHING of blowing troops up, or putting them into really bad situations, he's already threatened that he'll KILL THEM if Dems don't toe the line, and in Public.. Imagine what he'd order in Private while he was being impeached..

LIke the Aliens in the film, with ACID for Blood, everyone else dies if they cut the Monster.

[zonmoy]

27. or more likely they will fake another terror attack.

declare martial law. and end all power of anybody willing to stand up to the cabal.

[Joe for Clark]

29. He already did the deal here.

Look, I don't like the idea of impeachment generally. Should only be done in the most dire of circumstances.

But we are there.

The concept that the country could pull apart - over this issue - should frighten anyone.

We may have no other choice now - I wish it were other -

Joe

[guitar man]

28. so what if it does?

How many Democrats passed on the right thing to do when they voted for this war? If they did the wrong thing then, afraid of hurting their political careers, they now have the chance to redeem themselves. If it's the right thing to do, it's the right thing to do, period.

Impeach.