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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 05:57 PM
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Program Reminder: Part 1 of "The Mormons" by FRONTLINE/American Experience is on MONDAY (tonight!)
Part 2 is on Tuesday, during Frontline's regular time slot.

Here's the link to the web site and video preview: <http://www.pbs.org/mormons />

Please Note: I personally do NOT know enough about the Mormons to make any judgments about them, not that I would anyway, and I have not seen this show yet. I do know that FRONTLINE and American Experience usually produce excellent documentaries and usually treat their subjects extremely fairly, so I do not know if this is a good and fair program yet, but I suspect it will be.

Here is the PRESS RELEASE about the show:


<http://www.pbs.org/mormons />
PRESS RELEASE

FRONTLINE and AMERICAN EXPERIENCE Profile a Religion That Is One of the Great Neglected American Narratives


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is one of America's fastest-growing religions and, relative to its size, one of the richest. Church membership, now at 12 million and growing, sweeps the globe. But from the moment of its founding in 1830, the church has been controversial. Within a month, it had 40 converts and almost as many enemies. In the early years, Mormons were hated, ridiculed, persecuted and feared. Yet, in the past several decades, the Mormon Church has transformed itself from a fringe sect into a thriving religion that embraces mainstream American values; its members include prominent and powerful politicians, university presidents and corporate leaders.

Mormons have always had a peculiar hold on the American imagination, but few know who the Mormons actually are, or who they claim to be, and their story is one of the great neglected American narratives.

This spring, AMERICAN EXPERIENCE and FRONTLINE, two of PBS' most acclaimed series, join forces to present THE MORMONS, a new documentary series about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In two, two-hour episodes, filmmaker Helen Whitney ("John Paul II: The Millennial Pope" and "Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero") explores both the history and the current reality of the Mormon faith. Whitney gained unusual access to Mormon archives and church leaders as well as dissident exiles, historians and scholars both within and outside the faith. "Through this film, I hope to take the viewer inside one of the most compelling and misunderstood religions of our time," says Whitney. The two-part film airs Monday, April 30, and Tuesday, May 1, 2007, 9:00-11:00 p.m. ET on PBS.

Devout Mormons believe that in 1827 in the town of Palmyra, New York, 21-year-old Joseph Smith dug up a set of golden tablets that contained the seeds of a new religion. According to Smith, he was guided to that spot by an angel who appeared to him in a vision. "The kind of revelation that Joseph describes is the scandal of Mormonism, in the same way that the resurrection of Christ is the scandal of Christianity," says Terryl Givens, the author of several books on Mormon history. But Smith's visions, which reportedly began when he was 14, are central to Mormons' faith. "We declare without equivocation that God the father and his son, the Lord Jesus Christ, appeared in person to the boy, Joseph Smith," says Gordon Hinckley, LDS president. "Our whole strength rests on the validity of that vision."

THE MORMONS begins Monday, April 30, 2007, with the turbulent early history of the Mormon faith, from Joseph Smith's astonishing visions and the creation of The Book of Mormon through the Mormons' contentious and sometimes violent confrontations with their neighbors and the founding and ultimate abandonment of three major religious communities a in Ohio, Missouri and Illinois. "The persecution of the Mormons was officially sanctioned by at least two different state governments," says Dallin Oaks, elder of the Mormon Church. Adds Truman Madsen, author and historian, "House burning, rapings, abuse, taking over land and possessions, all that was part of it, but it was also denunciation from every other level, from state houses to pulpits."

"Why would they be so hated?" asks Jon Butler, professor of religion at Yale. "It has to do with ... fear of unknown personal practices, polygamy, fear of unknown beliefs, the fear of power and hierarchy a did the Mormons really think for themselves or did Joseph Smith think for them?"

The cycle of violence climaxed in 1844 in Nauvoo, Illinois, when Smith was killed by an angry mob. Following Smith's death, Brigham Young led the faithful across the continent to the Great Salt Lake in what would become modern-day Utah, now the seat of the Mormon Church.

"Mormons have a very complex relationship with their own sense of persecution," says Sarah Barringer Gordon, historian. "It is unfair to say that they courted persecution. On the other hand, it is fair to say that it brought them exhilaration and conviction that what they were doing was the right thing because God's prophets have never been welcome in their own lands."

THE MORMONS continues on Tuesday, May 1, 2007, with a look at the contemporary realities of the Mormon Church. Whitney explores the massive missionary program, how the church has entered the mainstream of American culture, the intricacies of Mormon theology and ritual, and the excommunication of those who challenge church doctrine or who do not follow its teachings.

"Being gay in that culture is beyond hell ... I wanted to be cured so badly," says Trevor Southey, artist. "The family is the center of Mormonism a it is the sacred, potent unit. ... It is a great failure that family can only be the family almost by the Ozzie and Harriet definition, and anything outside that is not family at all."

"The only marriage sanctioned by God is of a man to a woman," says Marlin Jensen, official LDS historian. "In the case of a gay person, they really have no hope. ... And to live life without hope on such a core issue I think is a very difficult thing."

The Mormons' protection of their view of family life also became political. "The Equal Rights Amendment was threatening because it changed the role of women ... from a nurturing housewife staying at home, taking care of the children, to someone who could now make decisions for herself," says James Clayton, professor of political science. Author and feminist Gloria Steinem says Mormon involvement in the ERA issue of the 1970s was pivotal: "If the Mormons had supported the Amendment, it would have passed. They were enormously powerful in opposing it because there are certain key state legislatures which they control."

"On the one hand have this long tradition of encouraging knowledge and education, and yet at the same time there is a real anti-intellectual strain," says Margaret Toscano, one of many ex-Mormons whose questioning of the status of women was punished by excommunication. "To be a Mormon intellectual means that you are opening up yourself to being called into a church court." But Elder Dallin Oaks sees the church's position on these issues as the fulfillment of a sacred duty: "The scriptures speak of prophets as being watchmen on the tower with the responsibility to warn when an enemy approaches," he says in the film. "The watchmen on the tower are going to say intellectualism is a danger to the church ... and if people leave their faith behind and follow strictly where science leads them, that can be a pretty crooked path."

THE MORMONS traces the Latter-day Saints' transformation in recent decades from the status of outcasts to mainstream players in U.S. politics and culture and into a global religion with as many as 240,000 converts annually, thanks to the efforts of Mormon missionaries. Each year, 50,000 Mormon teenagers join "God's Army" and march across the planet from Latin America to Mongolia to Zimbabwe. "You go," says Bryan Horn, a returned missionary. "Dad went. Grandpa went. And Grandpa, who's a descendant of Wilfred Woodruff, who was taught by Joseph Smith, went on missions."

The mission can be dangerous; missionaries have been kidnapped, tortured and killed. This crucible can provide a profound spiritual strength to the missionaries for the rest of their lives. "That was the moment really when my hope and my tender belief turned into something really solid, which has been the foundation for the rest of my life," says Jensen. "So when people say, 'how was your mission?,' I say, 'it was everything.' Because I've never been the same since."

Underwriters: The Park Foundation, Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, Liberty Mutual, The Scotts Company, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, Public Television Viewers and PBS. Co-producers: FRONTLINE and AMERICAN EXPERIENCE (WGBH/Boston) and Helen Whitney Productions. FRONTLINE executive producer for special projects: Michael Sullivan. FRONTLINE executive producer: David Fanning. AMERICAN EXPERIENCE series producer: Sharon Grimberg. AMERICAN EXPERIENCE executive producer: Mark Samels. Producer/director: Helen Whitney. Writers: Helen Whitney and Jane Barnes. Editor: Ted Winterburn. Format: CC Stereo DVI Letterbox/HD where available.

copyright © 2007 wgbh educational foundation · all rights reserved <http://www.pbs.org/mormons />
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 06:00 PM
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1. Thanks for the reminder! n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 06:09 PM
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 06:12 PM
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3. After reading your post, I mistrust Romney more than I did before!
He apparently is a BAD Mormon, AND a lying politician too, interested in one thing only...HIS OWN ADVANCEMENT!

When he ran against Kerry, he supported gay rights and pro-choice, now he's in a different race, so he changed him mind????? BS!

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 06:16 PM
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4. Thanks for the reminder, i totally forgot and it's on--after---Heroes.
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pbsperson Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:00 PM
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5. PBS
This is in response to your outburst against the Atlanta PBS station for not carrying the Bill Moyers show last week. Your post was a great example of talking out of your ass, as you don't know the circumstances behind the reason that PBA30 COULD NOT carry it. Since Atlanta has two PBS stations, they had gotten alot of shit over running the same programs...sometimes on the same night. So, PBA30 decided to do something about it and made an agreement with Georgia Public Broadcasting to air shows on different nights...as well as airing some programs exclusively, while GPB would air other shows exclusively. The whole point was to give the Atlanta market more of a choice. Anyway, the Moyers shows were to be aired exclusively by GPB. Thus, your rant on PBA30 was unwarranted. The fact that GPB chose to air it on Sunday instead of Wednesday was out of PBA30's control.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:06 PM
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pbsperson Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:37 PM
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9. Just trying to set the record straight.
But, hey, if you want to make up some conspiracy theory...go ahead. But you should know that PBA30 is run by liberals...the president is black, the board is predominately black, and the license is held by the predominately-black Atlanta school board. Whereas the GPB board is headed up by a conservative from Southern Georgia. So there were no political undercurrents for it not being on PBA30...it could only air on GPB.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 12:19 AM
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11. Ah! My use of my Constitutionally Guaranteed Right of Free Speech is "...talking out of your ass"???
Edited on Tue May-01-07 12:58 AM by Up2Late
Well, you would know, I guess.

Thanks for proving my point!:spank:

And what the Hell does the Management of PBA30 being "predominately black" have to do with the Censorship of Bill Moyers' Journal, "Selling the War," by replacing it with a stupid show about the "Red Hat Ladies Society," there by NOT showing it at all??? That's awfully Racist of you, don't ya think? Apparently not.

PBA30, Atlanta's Public Broadcasting's Station. The one who is Censoring the any PBS content that threatens the Corporation Controlled Atlanta News Media by SELECTIVELY not shows select shows from FRONTLINE at all or just moving them to Sunday afternoon at 2:30pm when the fewest people will see them like Georgia Public Broadcasting did with the "Selling the War" documentary by Bill Moyers?

That PBA30???

Who are you and who do you work for?

Who's your Boss?

I'd just like to thank your Boss personally and ask if him/her if he/she approves of his/her employees going on-line and insulting PBA30's viewers (and one of the few here who regularly defends PBS) for using my Constitutional Right of Free Speech.

WOW! You really have been drinking the Cool-Aid. :banghead: :crazy:

And while your at it, how about filling in some profile information, it helps your credibility.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 01:26 AM
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15. Liberals, shmiberals.
You, friend, are rude and condescending. I doubt you were chopped to post this, especially in this manner, by management of your station.

Now, by putting yourself forward as a spokesman for your station in this manner, you have succeeded in doing nothing more than giving your station a black eye. That is very unwise public relations. I strongly doubt that customer relations is in your job description. If it is, then I suspect you have been doing this job for a period of time measured in days. Very few days.

I suggest that apologies are in order. Or perhaps we should approach the management of PBA30 and ask them if it is station policy to address viewer concerns in this way?

Your call. Ball is in your court.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 02:12 AM
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19. Thank You.
And none of that makes any sense either, unless they are trying to run PBA30 into the ground by only showing delayed re-runs of what GPB already showed and lame shows with limited appeal. I guess they figure High Ratings are over-rated.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 01:28 AM
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16. disabled profile?
check. no links to prove who they are? check. Have fun while you last motard.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:02 PM
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6. Part One starting (East Coast) Kick n/t
:kick:
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 08:28 PM
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8. I doubt that this show will touch on it, but the really frightening thing about Mormonism...
from a political stand point, is their views on the environment. It's not just that they think the earth is here for the benefit of man, that's standard Christian rhetoric, they are actually looking forward to the type of devastation brought about by global warming. It's a condition of their "end time" scenario. If a Mormon pol has ever supported Kyoto, I'm unaware of it. (Has anyone heard Sen. Reid make a definitive statement of support? If so, post it, I'd like to see it.)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 01:16 AM
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13. Climate Change Statement - 2000
Way before it was cool to get on the climate change bandwagon. My sister is Mormon and I've never heard end times rhetoric from her or any other Mormons I've ever known. Reid doesn't seem to be looking forward to environmental devastation based on the linked remarks.

"The Kyoto treaty notwithstanding, a growing body of scientific evidence suggests that climate change poses a very real threat to the global environment. Failure to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions would be foolhardy."


http://epw.senate.gov/107th/rei_0223.htm
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 02:03 AM
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18. Hardly an endorsement of Kyoto, but at least he's said something on the subject
Edited on Tue May-01-07 02:05 AM by ToeBot
(Couched in the usual pro-business supplication. Also, the year 2000 would only be considered early to those that don't pay attention to environmental issues.) As far as the Mormon concept of 'end times', I use that terminology only because it's more accessible to gentiles (non-Mormons). The portion of their proper name, 'Latter Day Saints' is indicative of how they see them selves in God's chronology. It's not the environmental perturbations they are anticipating. These disturbances are viewed as a 'sign of the times' or an indication that Jesus is about to make his second appearance. I'm sure your sister could expound on this, I'm drawing on memories from seminary and the particulars are a bit faded.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 03:32 AM
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20. I didn't do a 20 year search
It's what popped up quickly. It's earlier than the current bandwagon, which indicates to me he's sincere, whether an early leader or not.

Most, if not all, Christians have some kind of end times prophecy. I'm not surprised to learn Mormonism does too. I don't consider that the same kind of doomsday rhetoric of the Jehovah's and the like. I thought that's what you meant. I've never noticed Mormons to be dismissive of environmental concerns. They've always seemed to respect nature, spend a lot of time outdoors, etc. I am much more concerned about the patriarchal attitudes than the environment. That and they're just too damn happy for my taste. If people think Disneyworld is the happiest place on earth, they haven't been to Utah! :)
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 05:33 AM
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22. At the Local level they are environmentally benign...
Edited on Tue May-01-07 05:37 AM by ToeBot
They are not the type to foul their own nest, so to speak. But if there is profit to be had they wont hesitate to extend their 'stewardship' over a resource, aesthetics be damned. The main point I want to make is that they see the world ending*, and soon. And by soon, I mean within the span of our lifetimes (roughly). That kind of belief makes long range environmental planing unnecessary or even foolish. It's no coincidence that Romney is getting allot of backing from the Oil Industry, It's not that he doesn't acknowledge the effects of fossil fuels, it that it just doesn't matter.


*By ending, I mean the fruition of God's plan, according to Mormon dogma, not the literal destruction of the earth.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 02:14 AM
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28. Complete bunk - Church warned of Golobal Warming in 1991
Edited on Wed May-02-07 02:38 AM by FreeState
I was raised LDS (Mormon). I was taught to take pride in the earth and to take stewardship in the earth. In-fact, if you at all understand basic LDS beliefs, you would know the church teaches that the earth is Gods creation and we must treat it with dignity and respect not taking more from it than we need and always returning the earth to its natural state. While it has never been official church doctrine, in the early days of the church they taught that the earth has a sole very much like the Native American religions. This is echoed in much of LDS beliefs such as the flood of the earth (baptism).

Look at the new conference center the church built in Salt Lake almost 10 years ago. Guess what it has a green roof - this is way before it was fashionable.

"Because the building sits near the base of Salt Lake City's Capitol Hill, the roof is landscaped for attractiveness. About 3 acres (12,000 m²) of grass and hundreds of trees dot the roof. 21 native grasses were employed to conserve water and showcase local foliage. The landscaping is meant to echo the mountains and meadows of Utah." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LDS_Conference_Center


Also the church publishes a monthly magazine that all members are encouraged to read and study. Here is an article form 1991 (in part)

"Evidence for this global warming also comes from studies made by the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration, which analyzed records going back to 1860. The studies showed that the greatest global temperature increase has taken place in the last decade. Carbon dioxide and trace gases produced by our industrial societies were considered to be the cause. (See R. A. Haughton and G. M. Woodwell, “Global Climatic Change,” Scientific American, April 1989, p. 37.)

Another consequence of our burning large amounts of fossil fuels has been a condition called acid rain. Forests, streams, and lakes have all been seriously damaged in regions where pollutants in the atmosphere are converted into mild acids that are brought back to earth through rain and snow. As the acid accumulates, it kills both plant and animal life.

At the same time, we are combining that indirect and largely unintended attack with a more direct attack: deforestation. As forests are cut in many parts of the earth, the effect they have on slowing global warming decreases, and the loss of animal and plant habitat increases.

In Doctrine and Covenants 104:17, the Lord said, “For the earth is full, and there is enough and to spare; yea, I prepared all things, and have given unto the children of men to be agents unto themselves.” My impression on reading those words is that the Lord is an ample provider—but he did not plan that we waste the gifts he has given us. The scriptures make it clear that we have dominion over the earth, but they also make it clear what that dominion means: We are to care for our planetary home and use its resources wisely. It was never intended that we abuse it."
http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem.b12f9d18fae655bb69095bd3e44916a0/?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=3613b850e318b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1



Just because the Church does not live up to what you think they personally should be doing does not make them into the evil greedy people your bigoted comments make them out to be.

Romney is a politician he never has, and most likely never will speak for the church in any capacity.
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 03:56 AM
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29. I didn't portray them as evil, they are greedy, and you haven't debunked my assertions
Edited on Wed May-02-07 04:47 AM by ToeBot
In fact, I was being generous. They have acknowledged Global Warming since 1991 and yet they haven't pushed for any measures to avert the situation? None of the numerous Mormon pols have championed Kyoto or something similar? I'm forced to maintain my position, they don't care.

As for Romney, like it or not, he will be the face of the Mormon Church just as are Orin Hatch and Bob Bennett. Every member a missionary!
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 01:40 PM
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30. What?
Did you even read the article I sent?

You are asserting that the church at the local level is not doing enough because the handful of national politicians who happen to be LDS have not supported Kyoto? Do you even know the structure of the LDS church and who actually runs the local wards and stakes?

Wow, can I apply the same logic to every church or just the mormons?

Every member a missionary - yep thats what the Church teaches - that every member should spread the Gospel - last time I checked Kyoto was not the gospel but international politics.

Just read up two posts and you painted LDS people as greedy and selfish. That kind of bigotry is uncalled for here. I am LDS, and while I might not be active or even a believing member, I take great offense at your sweeping generalizations.
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-02-07 02:24 PM
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31. No I don't think the Church leadership is doing anything with regards to Global Warming,
I don't think they care about it. I don't think it's an issue the general Mormon population cares about either. If it were, it would play a more prominent role in their politics. I didn't paint them as selfish, I do maintain that they are greedy, I've spent a good portion of my life in Utah and it is a culture very much obsessed with money. But I can't say that they are any worse than the average Republican. Your own post states that Mormons believe that the Humans have dominion over the earth and that the earth is full. This is not a philosophy of conservation. It is a recipe for consumption. What's more it will lead to disastrous results. But what does that matter, Jesus will be here soon to save us all the righteous.

Again, like it or not, Mormon politicians are seen as examples of Mormonism, it just an unavoidable fact.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-30-07 09:40 PM
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10. Watching it now. The Fancher massacre was a story I had already
heard about. I'm wondering if they are going to talk about the weird practices and cultish discipline used to keep people in line.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 01:01 AM
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12. I think that's in Part 2 on FRONTLINE Tomorrow night at 9:00pm
It's another 2 hour show and they said in the Preview that it's about Mormonism today.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 01:25 AM
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14. Watch ONLINE starting Tuesday
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 01:54 AM
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17. Thanks. n/t
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 04:41 AM
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21. I hope they bring up the Holy Salamader
Edited on Tue May-01-07 04:49 AM by symbolman
I know I DO everytime I see a Mormon.. There was a guy years ago who was creating FAKE Mormon Historical papers, he had it down, crispy paper, aged with old wine or whatever, so it passed the antiquities tests.

He created JUST FOR FUN, one paper what mentioned Joseph Smith TALKING to a Holy Salamader, and the Church went GONZO over it. They were PAYING this guy Big Money to HIDE documents, that NEVER EXISTED in the first place!

He sold tons of them, they'd pay and promptly hide them. It's hilarious. I think it was called "The Mormon Papers", a paperback..

I never laughed so hard in my life.

Studied them for a long time, totally bizarro religion - if you want to have some real fun, order some of their stuff.. get the animations, real cheesy.

Shows God at the table, and Jesus and SATAN are BROTHERS, argueing WHO gets to sit with Daddy. They don't care about the planet, at least THIS ONE, because when they die they get THEIR OWN. At least the Men do.. the women continue to be SLAVES..

I've never been able to figure out the motivation for the women, they really get nothing out of the deal, not even more husbands :)

I watched it, great series, will watch Number 2 tomorrow, thanks for posting!

*************

Here's the scoop on the book:

The Mormon Forgery Murders

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/mormon_forgeries/14.html

He described how he had removed blank pages from 19th century books, learned how to age ink, and then developed a way to forge someone's handwriting from other extant samples or from that person's signature. He immersed himself in the other person's perspective and trained himself to write without hesitation. So many documents came from him that when the FBI later used 17 samples to authenticate one of his "historical signatures," Hofmann had done fourteen of them. He removed paper from a book of the right date, so that paper testing would show that it was the right age, and pressed his plate onto that. To get the right ink, he burned a leather binding from another antique book. He let mold grow on the paper and then oxidized it to fade the ink.

It was impressive enough to get an offer from the Library of Congress after they subjected it to many tests. (In the end, an expert on printing presses had declared this document to be a fraud because things did not align as one would expect and the border was incorrect for something actually set in type.)

Among his many significant religious forgeries was the salamander letter. To get the right "voice," Hofmann had read old newspaper accounts and letters from the time period. He made up the salamander itself, and he included in the letter references to some of the people who "authored" his other forgeries. It was clever, painstaking and certainly amusing to him. He had written the poem in the back of the prayer book to authenticate the letter. So much for the FBI's analysis.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 03:12 PM
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23. I'm still just blown away in regard to the reading the plates by looking into a hat.
I thought they had made that up when SouthPark did their Mormon show in Season 7 (2003) because it was so absurd, but no, that's part of the story.

They printed the transcript from the show at the Rick A. Ross Institutes's website at the link below, but it does loose a lot of the humor when you just read it:

<http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon134.html>
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 03:26 PM
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24. www.ex-mormon.org
Yes, there is such a thing as an ex-Mormon.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 07:59 PM
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25. Part 2 Starting Now Kick n/t
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 08:10 PM
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26. What I'm getting from the series,
although they are trying to be extra-"fair" to the Mormons, is that Joseph Smith was a 19th century equivalent of L.Ron Hubbard, and that Mormonism in that century was like Scientology, but with more power and threat even. No wonder non-Mormon Americans in the 19th century saw the religion as a threat to the country and to their lives in the places where the Mormons became predominant! Today I'm sure most Mormons are good people, and that sincere devotion does as many good things in Mormons as it does in those of other faiths. But clearly, it started as a cult.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-01-07 11:06 PM
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27. Yeah, it does sound like they fixed a lot of the major problems they had in the first 150 years...
Not that surprising really, seeing how it took Christianity more than 300 years to jell into the church we more or less have today.

They still have some strange ideas though, but it doesn't sound nearly as scary as it's been made out to be.
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