UNIVERSAL SINGLE PAYER

[hatesthegop]

While this HCR bill is historic and a giant first step (I am jumping up and down for joy) ...I am eternally grateful to all the activists and elected officials who have worked tirelessly over the past decades to get to this point..I am still in favor ultimately for a universal single payer system. So my question is when and if? do you think we will enact a single payer system?

[amborin]

1. passage of this bill forecloses on any chance of Universal payer

[Justyce]

6. +1.

[RaleighNCDUer]

7. for another generation. In 25 years or so, when this SC is gone and

their appalling decisions are reversed, and the industry has sucked the corpse of the American economy dry, THEN there will be a CHANCE for single-payer.

But I'm not holding my breath.

[area51]

15. +1

Parasitic, for-profit, serial-killer health insurance companies now have more right to life than Americans.

[Iggo]

2. NOW!!!

It wasn't on the list.

[provis99]

3. this bill finished off any hopes for a single payer or public option system.

the correct answer is never.

[kestrel91316]

5. How so? Are we magically forbidden to amend it or repeal it if it doesn't do

what we want to improve people's lives??

[Oregone]

12. Well...

It legislates multiple tiers, actuarial models that promote economic rationing to the poor, subsidies for private industry, etc, while resting on a foundation of capitalism.

The entire reform, more or less, has to be repealed to move in the direction of single-payer.

If anything, this will massively waylay reform in that direction, if not kill it entirely. People will be content with their subsidies hiding the true costs of health care, so where will the movement for an egalitarian system come from?

[Nite Owl]

13. This bill is based on entirely different

economic model. There wasn't even competition introduced so it would take generations to change this. It did not establish the right to health care, just the right to be able to buy health care. No money, no care, those subsidies mean nothing in changing that model when they are only for the basic plan not covering deductibles which would still be unaffordable.

[Birthmark]

4. Never.

It's what *should* happen. It's what makes the most sense. But until we drop the national obsession with capitalism as an economic cure-all, there can be no universal single-payer health care in America. I don't see that happening anytime in the next 30 or 40 years. After that time, the effects of anthropogenic global warming will require virtually all of our discretionary resources (and possibly more), pushing HC waaaay down the list of priorities.

So, sad to say, "never" is the answer.

[LWolf]

8. I can't pick a number of years, so other: not in my lifetime. nt

[Sebastian Doyle]

9. First thing we need is an ACTUAL Democratic majority

As opposed to the theoretical majority we have now. Eliminate the DLC cancer from this party, primary the existing DINOs out, and don't allow any others to be elected.

Until that's done, there won't be any REAL reform in Health Care, or likely anything else.

[Echo In Light]

10. Never. Also, two nurses at my wife's foot dr this a.m. say the 'reform' is horrible

...precisely b/c of no SP/PO

[Oregone]

11. Never. Liberals are happy with expensive, capitalistic, for-profit, multi-tiered private insurance

Not.Going.To.Happen

[Edweird]

14. Never, or at least not for a generation.