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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 11:54 AM
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Banks Are Likely Winners in Obama's Latest Foreclosure Prevention Program
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 11:55 AM by amborin
Economist Dean Baker: Banks Could Be Big Winners of President Obama’s Foreclosure Prevention Program

"....So, if we have a homeowner who’s underwater, their house price is going to fall further, we get the federal government to give some money to the banks to allow them to stay in their home another year or two years. Well, odds are that we aren’t really helping that person. They’re paying more on their mortgage than they would to rent the same house. And on top of that, at the end of the day, they’re going to end up with no equity in their home anyhow. So I don’t quite understand what’s wrong with people in this town, that you had an $8 trillion bubble, it wrecked the economy, the worst downturn since the Great Depression, and people still can’t talk about the bubble. It’s bizarre.


AMY GOODMAN: So talk about exactly what the plan is, who it will help and who it won’t help.


DEAN BAKER: Well, it’s a—first off, I mean, the important thing to understand is everything here is voluntary on the part of lenders, so it sets up a formula where, if lenders reduce principal, in some cases, that the government will issue a new mortgage, or I should say guarantee a new mortgage, at a lower principal. So say someone currently owes $300,000 on a home that we’ll say is worth $250,000.

If the bank is willing to issue a new mortgage at, let’s say, $250,000—it’d be a little less, say $240,000—then the Federal Housing Authority will guarantee that new mortgage. So that would mean the person will be paying less than their mortgage each month. In principle, they could come out ahead. But again, in many of these markets, prices are still falling.

So let’s say the home’s worth $250,000 today. A year from now it might be worth $225,000. And at that point, the person is again underwater, and the taxpayers are on the hook for the difference. Haven’t helped the person, you’ve helped the bank.


AMY GOODMAN: Who is weighing in? Who has the President’s ear on this?


DEAN BAKER: I can’t really say. I mean, the fact is there are easy things you could do if you wanted to help homeowners. The policy I’ve been advocating for over two years, almost three years now, is simply give people the right to stay in their home as renters paying the market rent for five to ten years, some substantial period of time. That will also give banks an incentive to renegotiate mortgages, if they can’t just throw people on the street. But the key thing there is that that would give people stability in their housing that this plan doesn’t give them.


So, why President Obama’s team is not looking in that direction, obviously, the banks don’t like that, because, again, everything—it’s important to understand—everything been proposed to date, entirely optional on the part of the banks. If you said that people had the right to stay in their homes, they couldn’t just be thrown out following the foreclosure, well, you’ve given a big bargaining chip to homeowners. And for whatever reason, President Obama’s not looking in that direction.

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http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/29/economist_dean_baker_banks_could_be
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SolidGold Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 11:56 AM
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1. Wrong. Lawyers are the winners.
If people only knew how much money there is in FC, BK, and EV it would blow their minds. People are getting crazy rich off of this housing crash.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:12 PM
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6. I believe the banks have made out much better than the lawyers
Sure, there's some money being made handling all the bankruptcies. Most foreclosures are not involving attorneys because those being foreclosed on can not afford attorneys to defend them. And I didn't notice any of our tax payer dollars handed over to any attorneys.

People are getting crazy rich but it's still the people at the top who created the crisis.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 11:57 AM
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2. What a shock.
:eyes:


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 11:59 AM
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3. "A year from now it might be worth $225,000"
That's not likely, that's could, and highly speculative.

What happened to facts?

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:06 PM
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4. Inconvenient Fact: Housing Price drops are highly likely, according to all reputable studies
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:13 PM
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7. Yes, not stabilizing at all in our area. Our house lost another 5% in value last month. nt
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:14 PM
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9. yep
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 02:29 PM
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24.  Not in ours either.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:23 PM
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14. Link?
Because there's evidence that it has stabilized and is expected to improve.

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:41 PM
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20. I'll just bookmark this and we'll talk again in about a year.
No one in my area expects the drop in values to stop any time soon, here. And, no, I'm not giving you a link to the report I got showing my home value dropped another 5% last month.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:07 PM
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5. But at least it's a WIN!
K&R
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:15 PM
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10. maybe even an historic "WIN"
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 12:15 PM by amborin
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:21 PM
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13. Yeah, I love that 'historic' thing
People fail to recognize that Dred Scott was 'historic.' Lots of 'historic' policies have not been good.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 02:06 PM
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22. yep, things can be 'historically' bad
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 04:14 PM
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26. When they say "Historic" I get
Hysteric!!


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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 06:04 PM
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27. LOL
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:14 PM
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8. You know what would hurt the banks? Foreclosures!
Let's cause more foreclosures! And runs!

Nothing helps the common man more than losing their homes and bank failures.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:20 PM
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12. Know what would really hurt them? Making it mandatory for them to participate in the program
As long as these programs, some of which are good, remain voluntary they will participate when it benefits them and only when it benefits them.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:26 PM
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16. The program is what is expected to help improve the market.
The claim is ludicrous. Baker is making a point based on a speculation that housing prices will continue to drop.

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:38 PM
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19. It's the same speculation anyone involved in the housing market in our area is making
I've met no one in the business who doesn't expect housing values here to continue dropping.

And none of that disputes the point I made that the banks should be required to participate in the programs. I like the proposed programs but making it voluntary for the industry that is responsible for the problem to begin with is bullshit. They will choose to help in the cases where it benefits them and choose to foreclose in the cases where it does not. I don't remember getting a choice in whether the entire effing market crashed and brought down my husband's business and the value of our home with it. I don't recall being asked to voluntarily pay the tax money we handed these crooks.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 02:32 PM
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25. his point is NOT based on speculation, but rather on concrete facts
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:17 PM
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11. I think it's clear who will benefit from programs which remain 'voluntary' on the banks' part
I have no specific objection to the program recently announced. But the banks will cooperate in the situations where it benefits them and no others. With billions of dollars of our money, they will continue to make sure none of it gets back to the masses who are not of the top 1% unless they reap more of the benefit. Anyone who thinks the people will see much benefit from a program that is voluntary on the part of the banks is dangerously naive.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 07:27 PM
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29. It's the bad TARP dream that never ends...
:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:24 PM
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15. Wow! There's a surprise!
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Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:31 PM
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17. It's a Huge Assist
The way the program works, the bank will take a direct loss now, but it will hand off the risk for the rest of a highly dubious loan to FHA (the taxpayers). FHA is already in bad shape, and will have to increase insurance premiums.

But it is optional for the banks. The big battle now is how the home will be appraised. The banks want a BPO, FHA wants a real appraisal, which would limit FHA's losses.

So what banks will do is sort out their bummers, take some of the loss now, and foist the rest on the FHA. That will allow the banks to remove some money from reserves against the loan.

It's a real good deal for big banks. It may not do many of the borrowers any good. It will probably end up inflicting even more damage on FHA, which means that persons who would be buying years from now with an FHA loan will have to pay a lot more for that service. And probably the taxpayers will end up having to bail out FHA.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:37 PM
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18. It'll also shoot the hell out of lien priority for that mortgage.
Come on folks, attack the rates not the principal. Knock the rate down to slightly below current prime (like 2.75%) and if the govt REALLY insists on getting it's money involved, let the banks borrow more at the discount rate. Saving every home is never going to happen. People who are unemployed (it's the jobs, stupid!) for two years are likely screwed, regardless of interest rates. But, knocking all these loans down to a very reasonable rate would be advantageous for both the borrower and the lender. AND it doesn't screw with the loan priority.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 12:46 PM
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21. Most experts I've read have felt all along that if we don't attack the problems with principal
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 12:49 PM by laughingliberal
we're not going to save many homes. I have no problem attacking both the principal and the interest but attacking the interest without addressing the problems of principal isn't going to cut it. This is why there were many calling for the cram down provision for bankruptcies in the House bill. But, once again, the banks won.

Saving every home isn't ever going to happen. But saving enough to start stabilizing the markets somewhat could
happen.

edited for spelling
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 07:24 PM
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28. + 1. n/t
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 02:17 PM
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23. Renter's are the losers n/t
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