20yo gay Republican columnist calls date rape 'an incoherent concept'

[Newsjock]

Source: Washington Post

American University students are demanding that the campus newspaper fire one of its columnists and issue an apology after publishing a column Monday that called date rape "an incoherent concept."

The column in The Eagle newspaper was written by Alex Knepper, 20, a sophomore political science major. Knepper wrote that a woman who attends a fraternity party, drinks more than five glasses of alcohol and follows a guy to his room is indicating that she is willing to have sex and should not "cry date rape" the next morning.

... Not surprisingly, the column has already received more than 175 comments and several letters to the editor. Early Monday morning an unknown person or persons collected hundreds of copies of the paper from around campus and piled them in front of the student newspaper office, under a sign reading: "No room for rape apologists."

"I have a fun time stirring the pot," Knepper said in an interview Monday. "I don't mind being hated for my views."

Read more: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/campus-overload/2010/03/column_questions_date_rape_ang.html

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http://www.indegayforum.org/authors/show/131.html

Alex Knepper is an undergraduate at American University and a classical liberal Republican blogger.

[emulatorloo]

1. "I have a fun time stirring the pot" AND DAMN THE REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES

[skypilot]

13. "I don't mind being hated for my views."

I hate people like this. This shit is getting so tiresome. So many people thinks it's cool to be contrary, controversial, "edgy". They get off on "stirring the pot". The older I get, the more this kind of behavior strikes me as a kind of posing, especially from high school and college kids.

[JHB]

47. "I'm a cocksure, smarmy punk"...

..."and I know better than everyone, no matter what their experience is."

[skypilot]

63. "I'm a cocksure, smarmy punk...

...trying way too hard to be seen and heard among all the other cocksure, smarmy punks. Look, I'm gay! Look, I'm a republican. Look, I'm sardonic!"

:puke:

[upi402]

2. I was confused at 20

But not like this!

[BrklynLiberal]

3. ignorant or evil or a ridiculous combination of the two?

Or just a plain piece of shit??

"I don't mind being hated for my views."

[FLAprogressive]

4. the fact that he's a gay republican makes me dislike him

you already know he's a self-hating apologist.....but a misogynist too? Pretty low-life person.

[a la izquierda]

44. my mom's a gay republican...just sayin'

[alp227]

5. Congrats Mr. Knepper! Way to make a fool out of yourself!

Who knows if this guy really takes his perverted beliefs to the party?

He's a "liberal Republican?" :wtf: His mind is messed up as far as I read from here.

[Burma Jones]

6. Most "Journalism" these days is practiced by Outrage Parasites

I swear, it's like some sort of original Star Trek episode where some force creates anger in a host population and then feeds off of it to the host's eventual demise.

Fucking Weasels....and here's just another fucking weasel in training.

[walldude]

7. Great another one... "I have a fun time stirring the pot,"

In other words I really don't believe all the bullshit that comes out of my mouth, I'm just hoping for a big paycheck. Fucking Republicans..

[Iggo]

8. So if she drinks 4 glasses and follows him to his room...

...then it's rape?

[catbyte]

9. Blaming the victim is NOT "stirring the pot"

It's perpetuating ignorance.

Dumbass.

[Iggo]

18. Acting like you favor blaming the victim is, though.

He's fishing for outrage. We probably shouldn't bite (even though I already did...lol.)

[The_Commonist]

10. "...a woman who attends a fraternity party, drinks more...

...than five glasses of alcohol and follows a guy to his room is indicating that she is willing to have sex..."

OK, fair enough.
But then, when she says "No!" that means no.
And that should be the end of it.

[Lance_Boyle]

22. You'll find some here who claim that no "no" is necessary.

The mere fact that she had consumed alcohol renders her consent moot and turns her partner in the drunken consensual sex act into a rapist.

[Hello_Kitty]

30. So drunk women are fair game to you? eom

[fishbulb703]

45. The other party is most likely just as drunk...

However, I agree a sober person taking advantage of a person's drunkenness opens himself up to accusations of date rape.

[Hello_Kitty]

51. Wrong. I can tell you from my 10 years in the Navy and 10 more in a male-dominated industry

The "other party", i.e. most likely the male, is usually far less intoxicated than the female. I listened to guys brag about plying women with liquor to "get some" on numerous occasions. In one particularly awful case, a guy I was stationed with in Japan regaled the entire shop with his tale of the previous night where he spotted a young Japanese woman who was falling down drunk leaving the base enlisted club. What did our hero do when he was presented with this opportunity? Why, he led her to his car, took her back to his barracks room and had sex with her. Only I and one guy in the department thought this was appalling. Everyone else thought it was hilarious.

Deliberately using alcohol to wear down women's resistance is so commonplace and socially acceptable that it is often featured in movie plots.

[fishbulb703]

56. You have your anecdotes, I have mine.

I would guess that my experiences as a college student in a college town (and a high school student with access to the internet and a cell phone) are probably more representative of the most numerous occasions of "typical" sexual contact between individuals than yours. Plus I have the benefit of having experienced both gay and straight social scenes (not saying you don't, I don't know).

Its probably not something than can be statistically shown either way with reliability, but my opinion is that if you take a sexual hookup in modern day America at random, if one party is drunk or fucked up, there is a good chance the other party is as well.

[Hello_Kitty]

71. Like I said, the notion that drunk women are fair game is commonplace.

Which is why women who consumed alcohol prior to being raped are assumed to be de facto not raped and lying by a lot of people.

[fishbulb703]

94. If the woman is drunk,

willing, and actively engaging in the sex act. Then yes she is fair game. People make stupid decisions when they are drunk, it doesn't make the people they make those stupid decisions with or to liable for their injury. Again, not to say its ok to force sex on an unwilling or obviously incoherent or unconscious person ever.

[Zoeisright]

82. My facts trump your anecdotes.

My husband was the director of a women's shelter and women's rights group. He is very familiar with the concept of date rape.

If the woman is drunk, it's rape. She can't consent if she is drunk and the male performs the action. HE is the responsible party.

That's the law. Deal with it. And don't have sex unless you get ACTIVE consent or you may be in deep, deep trouble.

[Lance_Boyle]

87. The law is not so cut-and-dried, nor should it be. You're spreading falsehood.

What if the man is also drunk? Is it then a dual-rape scenario? What if a woman has sex with a drunk man? Has he been raped?

You may like to believe that the law is what you say it is, but you're entirely wrong.

[fishbulb703]

91. No because the man has the penis!

So therefore, he must do all the work in the sex act. No drunk man can just lay there and be stimulated to the point of orgasm. Every drunk man can not perform sexually. /sarc

[Odin2005]

100. +1

[Radical Activist]

119. So if a woman gets drunk with the goal of lowering inhibititions to have casual sex...

AND gives consent, then it's rape because she was drunk?

Please don't pretend that isn't a common occurrence.

[Hello_Kitty]

122. Is that what you assume the situation is with most rape accusers?

That they get drunk with the goal of lowering inhibitions to have casual sex and then turn around and "cry rape"?

Because I can't think of any other reason why you (and others) are bringing up these types of scenarios.

[Radical Activist]

133. Did I write that?

I think its pretty obvious why people bring it up. Because many people, at some point in their life, have had consensual sex with someone they weren't in a relationship with when both people were drunk. So, the suggestion that it's automatically rape in every case is alarming and offensive.

[Hello_Kitty]

134. So I guess I'm right then.

I think its pretty obvious why people bring it up. Because many people, at some point in their life, have had consensual sex with someone they weren't in a relationship with when both people were drunk. So, the suggestion that it's automatically rape in every case is alarming and offensive.

Which is why accusations of rape brought by women who were drunk when it happened must always be greeted with great suspicion.

[Radical Activist]

135. I think you're arguing with someone else

and filling in lines between what I wrote that aren't there.

I believe its possible to acknowledge the reality and seriousness of date rape with out reducing it to "the presence of alcohol=rape."

[Hello_Kitty]

136. I believe that acting like anyone is saying "the presence of alcohol = rape"

Is a strawman and red herring and phony disingenuous bullshit of the worst order.

Don't have sex with a drunk or high woman, or ply her with alcohol or drugs so you can have sex with her, unless you are willing to risk a rape charge.

[Radical Activist]

149. It's what I was responding to.

"If the woman is drunk, it's rape."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8052608&mesg_id=8053526

But aren't you repeating that here? "Don't have sex with a drunk or high woman...unless you are willing to risk a rape charge."
Since that could involve a woman who wasn't "plied" with anything but chose to drink on her own and pursue a man?

It's fairly hypothetical to me. I'm particularly non-aggressive with women and have always stayed far, far away from what any reasonable person would consider taking advantage of an intoxicated woman. I once stopped someone from raping a woman in college who had clearly said "no" earlier in the night but had reached the point of barely speaking coherently when someone tried to take her to her dorm room to have sex with her. Both people later thanked me for grabbing the floor RA and stopping them. There's no doubt that it happens and it's rightfully a crime.

I also remember the only one-night-stand in my life happened when a women pursued and pressured me when both of us had been drinking and she bought all of her own drinks. Neither of us were falling-down drunk but we had both consumed alcohol. The next day I wasn't sure I had made a good decision, but I would never accuse her of rape in a million years. It seems that you would call her a rapist. That makes no sense to me and I can't equate those two episodes in my life with each other.

You're right that my views are shaped by my own experiences, but not in the way that you're implying.

[Hello_Kitty]

163. I think in any situation where there is ambiguity about the presence of consent

The right thing to do is to err on the side of assuming there's no consent.

In the case of your one night stand, I'm sorry but that's not a valid comparison. By your own admission, neither you nor she were heavily intoxicated.

[noiretextatique]

140. legally, i don't think a drunk person can give consent

i think that's the point of the post. if two drunk people consent to have sex, i would not consider that rape, however, if there is an issue of consent after the fact...well, that could lead to problems. rape is forcing someone to have sex against her/his will, and there are varying degrees of drunkenness. having sex with a person who has passed out, for example, is clearly rape.

[Lance_Boyle]

155. your subject and message body are in conflict

"legally, i don't think a drunk person can give consent" does not mesh with "if two drunk people consent to have sex, i would not consider that rape"

I should also point out that there is no such thing as "an issue of consent after the fact." There is consent or there is not consent at the time of 'the fact.' That some people think this can change *after* the fact is problematic. People can make errors in judgment and regret decisions made. But they cannot make those errors in judgment and bad decisions into someone else's *crime.*

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

58. So drunk women are too stupid to make decisions for themselves?

[Lance_Boyle]

64. I think the lesson is that only men are responsible for their actions when drunk.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. Extending that logic, women should be allowed to drink and drive.

It's not their fault, they're not in control.

[Hello_Kitty]

76. More tiresome red herrings.

Believe me, HFCS, I know where you stand. Any drunk woman is fair game for whatever any man wants to do to her. Full stop.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

78. "Any drunk woman is fair game for whatever any man wants to do to her."

If the woman consents, then yes.

In the same way that any reasonable adult who hasn't enjoyed consensual sex while drunk, stoned, or in someway chemically inebriated is probably some teetotalling loser.

[Hello_Kitty]

85. Even if she's someone you barely know, or a stranger?

And absolutely stone cold falling down drunk?*

What if you are, if not sober, not nearly in the intoxicated state she is?






* (Any reasonable adult who has enjoyed drinking, smoking, or being in some way chemically inebriated who cannot reasonably ascertain when someone else is at that point is probably some teetotaling loser. Or a rapist.)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

88. Consensual sex is consensual sex.

It doesn't matter if you've been married for fifty years, or just met.

Seems to me we're trending pretty hard to prudery right here.

Also, why should differences in inebriation matter?

"*Or a rapist"

If both parties consent, then there is no rape.

[Hello_Kitty]

92. If being anti-rape makes me a prude, so be it.

I happen to be a fan of enthusiastic consent. You appear to be a fan of young Mr. Kneppler.

Fortunately, the law is on my side. Intoxicated people are not capable of giving consent.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

102. You're not really anti-rape.

You've got this old-fashioned "men taking advantage of women" thing going on. Like men are some sort of big bad wolves and women are virginal fairy princesses, and they can't be trusted to make their own decisions. It's really very sexist, only a few steps removed from the Burqa types.

"Fortunately, the law is on my side. Intoxicated people are not capable of giving consent. "

Nonsense. The law treats drunken people just like they do sober people- responsible for their actions.

"You appear to be a fan of young Mr. Kneppler."

Mr. Kneppler is talking about drunken women who do not give consent. So there's no comparison. You seem to be a fan of making false claims. Hmm, false claims...

[Hello_Kitty]

112. "Hmm, false claims."

Do you believe that women regularly make false claims of rape?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

114. Regularly, no.

Do you think that there aren't women who regularly get drunk and have consensual sex?

[Hello_Kitty]

118. Of course not.

Do you think a woman who accuses a man of rape is more likely to be lying if she was drunk when it happened?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

123. Wait, wait, wait... hang on a minute...

you really don't think there are millions of women that don't get drunk and then have consensual sex?

Really?

[Hello_Kitty]

126. Of course there are. That's how I answered your question.

You asked: "Do you think that there aren't women who regularly get drunk and have consensual sex?"

I answered: "Of course not."

Now, enough of your red herrings. Please answer my question. Do you think a woman is more likely to be lying (or perhaps mistaken) about being raped if she was drunk when it happened?
I

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

129. I don't see why she would be.

And good on you for finally admitting the obvious.

[Hello_Kitty]

132. What if the person(s) who had sex with her and bystanders thought she was consenting?

What then? Is she still lying, or mistaken?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

147. Well then she'll probably have a tough time in court.

:shrug:

[Hello_Kitty]

166. Yes, she will, but that's not what I'm asking.

Do you think that a woman who claims she was raped while drunk is lying or mistaken if the person(s) who had sex with her and any possible bystanders believe she consented?

Also, do you know what an alcohol-induced blackout is? Have you ever experienced one?

[laughingliberal]

137. Actually, that is the opposite of the point

If someone is not considered to have the proper judgement to drive a car, are they in any capacity to consent. I'm wondering if I would have a person in that condition sign an informed consent to have surgery? And, if I did, would it stand up to a legal challenge? No? Might be best not to have sex with them.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

156. If a person was not in proper judgement...

why hold them responsible for their actions?

Their are considered responsible for their judgements, regardless of their motor skills.

[Hello_Kitty]

74. So you agree with the writer in the OP?

If a woman has five drinks at a frat party and goes into a room with a man, she has consented to sex with him?

[Hello_Kitty]

69. HFCS, just answer this one question:

Are you okay with what the guy I was stationed with in Japan did? It's reply #45.

Is his behavior acceptable to you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

80. If she consented to it, then sure.

If she didn't have an issue with it, then why would you or I?

[seabeyond]

95. a passed out woman works for you, per a thread on that movie a guy fuckin a passed out

female.

i am sure you line is... well not there.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

104. The passed out woman gave consent. In your movie.

Woke up to gave consent, then passed out again.

More to the point, when she finally came to she did not consider it rape. Ergo, it was not rape.

Here's a hint- the person having sex decides whether or not they want to have sex. Not some third person.

[seabeyond]

106. ya boys.... walking up to a room and passing out... free game. dontcha feel like a man

so hawt... dude.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

107. A passed out woman cannot give consent.

But she can give consent before or after.

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

111. ya dude, like i say... hawt. fuck a corpse, wth. feel the man. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

113. What's worse... fucking a corpse...

Or wrongfully accusing/charging somebody with rape?

I mean, as disgusting and fucked up as having sex with a corpse is, I'd have to go with the latter.

[seabeyond]

121. well hi, since you are so damn scared of false rape charges against you

and many many men can go thru life pretty damn sure about the person they have sex with, maybe it is a good thing you never get it, ... or stay with only a corpse

have at it haus

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

125. I'm not afraid of women making false rape charges against me.

That's another thing that yo're imagining.

"and many many men can go thru life pretty damn sure about the person they have sex with, maybe it is a good thing you never get it, ... or stay with only a corpse"

Maybe you didn't get the point. Even if I was the kind of person did have sex with corpses, I'd still be a better person than the type who imagines rape where none exist.

[seabeyond]

127. how about a simple, hi.... you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

really

you want to lecture me on imagination of rape.

again

and almost always

you are clueless.

but keep you hyped up illusionary defense up to protect you from all those evil, bad, females out to getcha.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

130. Well, that is what you're doing.

More woo woo.

[seabeyond]

142. what i am doing, is chatting with you. that is about it. well

and talking to son and getting dinner ready, and and and

so whatevah

[muffin1]

151. WHATTT??

So, you're with a woman. She says "Yes, let's have sex". Then she passes out on the bed. What do YOU do?

[seabeyond]

153. as per the movie, as per that post.... fuck her, and fuck her good. i guess whatever a man wants

to do to her at that point, it is all good. she consented. does that mean bring ten other guys in to fuck her.... sure, have at it.

just a cum receptor to be fuck, and thank you she will say

dontcha know, it is all about women empowerment in their sexuality.

lump laying there, she is exploring her sexuality

[muffin1]

158. Thankfully,

I live as far away from HFPR as possible in this country. Good lord.

I wonder if he has any sisters. I'm assuming he had a mother at some point. How would he feel if...oh, never mind.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

157. That would depend.

[muffin1]

161. Depends on...

what, exactly? Go on, then.

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[fascisthunter]

186. if she passes out, I STOP!

To continue while a women is passed out is sick and yes, I as a man would consider that rape. It's bad enough that judgement is impaired and that the person you sleep with may regret it the next morning... I usually stayed away from such events. Only had two one-night stands while drinking... not worth it.

[Hello_Kitty]

169. "...or after"?

:wtf:

[Odin2005]

99. Wow, I surprised it took this long for the original DU date rape apologist to show up.

[seabeyond]

101. he is here..... scoped in on the thread. the drunker the better, maybe, just maybe, he might

be able to get something

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

103. I'm not a rape apologist, Odin2005, I just debunk your goofy notions.

You, on the other hand, have approved of prison rape.

Not imaginary rape, but real rape.

So you're really in no position to talk.

[Odin2005]

That was before my friend was raped, I don't joke around about rape any more.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

115. No, no. It was well after.

You just didn't expect anybody to notice.

[Odin2005]

117. Bullshit.

[noiretextatique]

144. alcohol does indeed impair decision-making

and it does make people stupid. you query is probably as accurate as claiming drunk men are too stupid to make the decision not to rape. but i do believe alcohol (along with rape drugs) can be a tool in the rapist's arsenal. i think there is a huge difference between people who go out looking for someone to "hook up" with and people who go out to find someone to rape. i don't think date rape, like any other rape "just happens."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

167. Impaired? Sure. Stupid? Sure.

Should stupid, impaired women still be considered adults who can make their own decisions? Of course.

[Hello_Kitty]

139. ***THIS IS WHERE THE THREADJACK BEGAN!***

Bullshit strawman.

The mere fact that she had consumed alcohol

Because consuming alcohol and being drunk are one and the same.

renders her consent moot

Because "consenting" after you've had 15 tequila shots is totally the same as consenting after 2 or 3 glasses of wine*.

turns her partner in the drunken consensual sex act into a rapist.

Which is the situation in every rape accusation where the victim was drunk or had been drinking.





* Yes, I realize tolerance levels vary between people.

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[Hello_Kitty]

28. Well, aren't you just charming.

:puke:

[muffin1]

54. Mmmm...

I'll bet a night with Whoknows44 would be a night to remember. Although something tells me that if his date is not a blow-up doll, he would not be able to perform. What a tool...:evilfrown:

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[devilgrrl]

90. "What if my employer now thinks I'm a scumbag" - you're not convincing us that you aren't!

:popcorn:

[MineralMan]

57. Nah. That just sucks.

Sex requires mutual consent. Being inebriated doesn't imply consent. It never has, and never will. What you said is moronic.

[BlueIris]

66. Ew. This nasty pile of rape apology is just as bad as the column we're posting about.

And it hurts me that you've chosen my beloved John Kerry's face as your avatar.

[devilgrrl]

83. I bet chicks just can't keep their hands off of you!

[BreweryYardRat]

152. Exactly.

They're allowed to change their minds, for Christ's sake.

[CurtEastPoint]

11. Wait...wait...wait. His FB page lists his fiancee, another 'libertarian' dweeb.

But he says about himself: "Virtuous, classically liberal, religion-hating, same-sex-loving, sardonic, misanthropic, Republican, elitist intellectual. Got that?"

What an asshole.

[skypilot]

16. "sardonic, misantropic..."

I wish I'd seen this before I posted upthread. It really fits in nicely with what I was trying to say up there.

[Downtown Hound]

46. Cut him some slack

I happen to be a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, liberal, Republican, cross-dressing, transsexual, red blooded gay straight man myself.

Now, let's see how many other completely contradictory things I can say about myself.

[patrice]

12. I taught highschool seniors: The heaviest of "petting" is a strong expectation that is

often exceeded.

[Berry Cool]

14. Wow. I think this is the first gay guy I ever heard of who ever tried to justify rape.

Obviously, he's an asswipe.

A woman who attends a fraternity party, drinks more than five glasses of alcohol and follows a guy to his room is, if she doesn't want to have sex with him, exhibiting poor judgment. But nobody ever deserved to be raped as a punishment for poor judgment.

The young man should read the student handbook at his university. I'll bet anything that it mentions nothing about a woman's ingestion of alcohol, or of her following a guy to his room, as a mitigating factor in a rape case. On the contrary, deliberately getting a woman drunk so as to lower her defenses and facilitate rape is considered A Bad Thing.

Of course, if this loser considers himself a "classical liberal," he may not believe in government or laws. You know...he may believe that people are free to rape other people if they so choose and they can get away with it, and if you don't want to be raped, then preventing the rape is up to you, not to the potential rapist or to any law forbidding or punishing people for rape. Well, if he believes that, I will speak my mind and say I believe he is an asshole.

Edited to add: He sounds like he's not only an asshole, but a guy who gets off on being an agent provocateur and enfant terrible, with an emphasis on the "enfant"--because he's obviously not very mature. Then again, if he were mature, I doubt he would have the politics he does.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

15. "I have a fun time stirring the pot,". Well that's what this is about. If you can't get

a reality show. Say some hateful ignorant shit and you're guaranteed at least 5 minutes of fame. In the more successful cases like Dan Coulter and some of these republitard celebrities you can get 15 or more.

[laughingliberal]

138. I think we have ample evidence inflammatory rhetoric is genetic in Republicans

Seems to be a favorite with some on our side of the aisle, as well.

[Lyric]

17. He belongs at Liberty or Bob Jones--not AU.

What a sick son of a bitch.

[Prism]

19. Not sure what the gay thing has to do with this . . .

Assholes are assholes. This kid is an asshole. Reading his FB page, it seems like trolling people was very much his intent.

This being the internet, people will naturally feed him.

Everyone's outraged and passes along links and makes sure as many people see it as possible, he gets visibility and gets to take on the "Evil Liberal Establishment" with attending Republican money and appearances. Everyone wins!

I call it the Coulter model.

And damn if we don't hold up our end of the bargain every single time.

[smoogatz]

20. Another attention-starved Republican twerp, acting out

to get attention. Whatever, pinhead.

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[EOTE]

27. Do you go about deflowering women often?

Not that I find qualms with your story or anything. I'm just having a bit of a hard time believing you often find yourself in the position of taking a girl's virginity and then worrying about the legal consequences when she decides that her first time wasn't the best and regrets it. You should know that while false accusations of rape are indeed horrible, the legal consequences for making a false claim are also very, very bad.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

42. Only on message boards and in his wet dreams.

I find qualms with The Mattress King's story.

[MineralMan]

60. Perhaps he just hopes to one day.

:shrug:

[EOTE]

70. I suppose that could be the case.

I, for one, lay awake at night worrying that one day I will become an incredibly rich factory owner. It all begins well and good, but then one of the peon workers at my factory falsely files for disability after getting injured on his own time! He thinks he's gonna defraud my company, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna let him do that! At least that's how it works out in my head.

[dalaigh lllama]

29. Wow, what country do you live in?

That doesn't sound like any likely scenario here in the States.

And how many women have you "deflowered"?

[MineralMan]

62. I'm pretty sure it's just anticipation of such an event.

[Hello_Kitty]

31. I have a feeling you have no idea what enthusiastic consent looks like. eom

[RedCappedBandit]

33. Maybe you're doing something wrong if you're afraid the women you sleep with are going to cry rape

LMFAO


"all a woman has to do is cry rape and the prosecution almost automatically favors her word over mine. "


You're clearly too ignorant to discuss this subject intelligently.

[seabeyond]

34. you are so full of shit. i bet you are one of those locker room, look how big i am, boys.... nt

[muffin1]

49. I call bullshit.

On you being a 'man'. Or 'honest', or 'taking home a woman', or knowing how to spell protocol without help.
DEFLOWER? :wtf:

Whoknows44 - you really couldn't come up with anything less obvious?

[Missy Vixen]

53. Really?

>There needs to be major federal reform of accusation protocol because all a woman has to do is cry rape and the prosecution almost automatically favors her word over mine.<

Your comments are interesting. Here's some facts:

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

Thirty-nine percent of rapes are reported to police.

Fifty percent of the attackers are arrested.

Even with a felony conviction, there is a sixty-nine percent chance the rapist will actually go to jail. Six percent of known rapists actually do even one day behind bars.

Fifteen out of sixteen of those rapists will walk free.

We might also mention the revictimization of EVERY rape victim in court -- the defense attorney in question will focus on the victim's dress, was she drinking, her sexual history, anything at all to plant reasonable doubt.

What was that you were saying again about "all a woman has to do is cry rape"?

[MineralMan]

59. Nice of you to be honest, I guess.

Here's my question: Under what circumstances would you have sex without the full, conscious consent of the other person? In my experience, any time I have had sex with another person, consent wasn't an issue. The sex was enthusiastically wanted by both parties. If that were not the case, it wouldn't have taken place. I'm not into sex with passive partners, even if they consent.

I've never understood the attraction in having sex with someone who was too inebriated to fully participate. Do you?

[MineralMan]

67. My suggestion to you is that you keep it in your pants.

You don't appear to have a very good understanding of sexuality or consent. You're just begging to get yourself in a jam.

BTW: "No!" does not mean "Try a little harder."

And stay away from my sister.

[devilgrrl]

81. Deflower her... so all the women you bed are virgins?

Cad.

[Book Lover]

84. Then maybe you should only have sex with people you trust (nm)

[stanwyck]

89. Wow. you have some crazy notions about rape convictions

You need to spend some time in police stations, hospitals, and in courtrooms. Claiming rape and getting a conviction is not the scenario you've portrayed here. Back in the real world, a woman has to prove her case. She has to undergo a medical examination. She hss to convince the police to make an arrest. And our CSI loving jurists expect evidence, including evidence that she fought back.
Plus, there is the emotional trauma of letting the world know the circumstances.
You, as the accused, have legal recourse, the same as the victim.
But, you seem to like playing the victim, don't you?

[devilgrrl]

97. Enjoy that pizza you sick fuck

:nuke:

[seabeyond]

98. meh... he is still hoping against all hope to be "deflowered". these type men (boys)

are pretty obvious

same with most of the mouths here on this thread puffing out their chest.

i have just concluded they never get any and just all mouth

[muffin1]

105. I would love to see

him share it with one or two other posters on this thread.:banghead:

[seabeyond]

109. they just like to "stir" things up. at least one poster, every position that is negative he takes

for fun. no one could be so less.

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[DevonRex]

35. So, you're implying that DUers disagree with him only because he's a republican?

[RedCappedBandit]

36. So you agree with people who think it's okay to rape women..

so long as they're not republicans?




Ooookayyyy

[DevonRex]

108. That's how I read it.

:shrug:

[Paladin]

25. Fair Enough, Mr. Knepper. I Hate You For Your Views. (n/t)

[grace0418]

26. Well, a gay Republican is an incoherent concept to me. A gay man who attends the

average Republican fundraiser, listens to the bigotry and hatred being spewed towards anyone who is different in any way (especially gay), drinks more than five glasses of that shit kool-aid, then follows the politician to the voting booth is indicating that he has incredibly questionable judgment and shouldn't be writing commentary on any subject whatsoever.

[muffin1]

73. Seems to me the democratic party treats GLBTers

almost as poorly as the repukes. Dems are just a little more subtle about it.

[The Genealogist]

148. I've long thought of gay republicans as truly self-loathing people

I have known a few gay republicans. Two different ones I know illustrate the types. One comes from a very rich family in whose interest it is to be Republican (make more $$$). The other comes from an Assemblies of God background and still clings to his theological heritage. In my own case, I was raised in a Republican (my dad was a Rush Limbaugh fan, mom died when I was 8, stepmother a democrat who cared not a fig for politics on the ground) and stuck to it until I was about 17, when I actually started looking at politics instead of perpetuating what I was spoon-fed. I came out at 22, so I had about 5 years to steep in liberal juices. I was a raging liberal by the time I felt comfortable enough with myself to come out.

[bullwinkle428]

32. Hey, Tucker Carlson...are you concerned about a new sheriff in town?

:evilgrin:

[Deep13]

37. I find conservatism an incoherent concept. ...

Well, this guy is only speaking theoretically since there is essentially no chance that a girl is going to follow him to his room.

[aikoaiko]

38. I never liked the term either, but not for his reasons.

The term was initially used to convince people that if you were on a date with someone and your date raped you, then it was rape and not just sex.

Unfortunately, for some people the modifier led some people to believe that date rape wasn't, as Whoopi might say, rape rape.

Rapes that occur on dates are legally equivalent to rapes that involve strangers.

Alex Knepper, on the other hand, is playing word games at the expense of rape victims.

[FreeState]

39. Who cares that hes gay? Its not relevant to the story and not even in the articles title?

Nothing like a little underhanded gay baiting...

[muffin1]

43. Makes him even more unlikable.

Being OK with rape? Nah, not bad enough...maybe if we mention he's GAY!!1!

[FreeState]

48. Shhhh theres no homophobia on DU! n/t

[Hello_Kitty]

40. I usually expect to see rape apologists on these threads but some of y'all aren't even being subtle.

Just saying, and I'm not just talking about the obvious troll.

[laughingliberal]

141. +1000 nt

[Missy Vixen]

41. I predict Alex Knepper is going to have a tough time getting a date

What a charmer.

:eyes:

[Echo In Light]

61. Sadly, you're likely waaaay off with that.

[Orsino]

50. Calling date rape an incoherent concept is contrary to fact. n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

52. I wonder how Alex Knepper would feel if he went to a party at Glenn Murphy's house

For those who forgot, Glenn was the former Young Republicans leader from Florida who was so far in the closet that he could only blow guys who were unconscious.

http://wikiality.wikia.com/Glenn_Murphy,_Jr.

[EOTE]

55. Pshaw! If that young man didn't want oral sex...

he wouldn't have fallen asleep on Glenn Murphy's couch.

[JerseygirlCT]

68. Sounds like an immature twerp to me.

Guess the women at American ought to be glad he's gay.

[CurtEastPoint]

72. Someone on his FB page wrote about his 15 minutes and he said only 20 seconds were gone. That smarm

y little MFSOB. I'd like to smack his face.

[CurtEastPoint]

75. And HERE'S the lovely Mr. Knepper now!

[seabeyond]

86. omFUCKIN'g.... laughin my ass off. like he cant even find his

dick to use it...

[bullwinkle428]

182. Maybe he thinks he can make a living as a Bruce Vilanch impersonator!

:rofl:

[Rabrrrrrr]

77. Sadly, they want him gone for his political views, not his ignorant misuse of language.

I mean, fucking hell - first off, fire the guy for being a journalist who clearly doesn't even know English.

THEN fire him for being a thickheaded asshole.

Seriously - "'incoherent' concept"? What the fuck is that?

[Zoeisright]

79. Date rape is strictly defined. There's nothing 'incoherent' about it.

No means no. Even if you're in a relationship.

And you're being hated because you're a smarmy little asshole who probably has committed rape.

[ladywnch]

93. glenn beck's heir apparent. n/t

[Odin2005]

96. So this asshole thinks my friend with cerebral palsy wasn't raped? FUCK HIM!!!

:grr:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

110. Wasn't there a jury that didn't think so either?

[Odin2005]

116. Quit being an ass.

She's certainly not making up the PTSD.

[Hello_Kitty]

120. OJ's jury didn't find him guilty. Doesn't mean he wasn't. eom

[zbdent]

124. I wonder what the columnist's views on date rape would be

should he be "roofied" (sp?) and "date raped" ... I mean, he wouldn't have been able to really give his consent, right? And if it was violent ...

but ... I'm not advocating anything of the sort ...

[seabeyond]

128. look, it is clear. a female dares to drink any already opened beverage, she is consenting.

dontcha know

[kiranon]

131. Wonder if he would he feel the same way if he had the 5 drinks and a fraternity

brother raped him?

[seabeyond]

143. good and healthy to shift the discourse a bet, and see if maybe people

can experience a little empathy, insight, think outside the box.

[BlueIris]

146. Wonder how he'd feel if his mother or sister was raped after having drinks at said party.

Why do posters here just. not. get. it??

[seabeyond]

154. because we as a culture have allowed all and sundry to be ok to do to a woman, and we

feel good about it.

cnn has an article on rape games from japan, that get on internet and down loaded for free. cant be sold in any other country, but is out there to "play" on the net. what got me in the article is a guy and gal saying, .... it is out there, you cannot stop it.

in translation

it is all ok

cause it is out there

mainstream rape

and anything else we can do to women to demean, degrade is empowering women sexually.

major network cbs, corportation, hooter show. have girls eat food off plate like animal, girls do it, staged or not.... to entertain men. cause after all, you are no more than an animal.

just have had a bit much of whorin all us women of late.

[Bluenorthwest]

145. Why did you put his sexual orientation in your headline?

What is it that you think that has to do with this story? Shall we start pointing out the heterosexuality of various scum? We could.
Why did you take that bit from the story and make it your headline?

[joeybee12]

160. That struck me, too...it would be akin to saying someone was black

or Hispanic...makes no difference that the guy is a major asswipe, but including seems to imply being gay is part of the reason he's a twit.

[FreeState]

164. + 1000

IMO it goes to show you the latent and blatant homophobia that is present on DU - its here subtly and in your face.

[The Genealogist]

150. What an idiot

Wow...20, a college sophomore and he has already gulped down the Kool-Aid of Reich-Wing politics. I have heard this kind of tripe from reich-wingers before; it usually comes with a heavy dose of "women should be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, seen and not heard." But with this guy, you get a side of elitist college douche nozzle to go with the shit sandwich. What a cynical, wrong-headed, pseudo-intellectual, ignorant piece of schlock this "piece" of writing is. It makes my heart go out to women who have been raped and have to cope with the attack on their humanity. What a slap in the face.

[seabeyond]

159. we seem to have a number of those men, right here, on a liberal, progressive site, too. nt

[The Genealogist]

165. The "she was asking for it" meme, wherever it is found, in whatever form...

is a morally bankrupt position. That it happens on DU is particularly alarming to me. I wonder how many women never report rape just because they question whether they were "asking for it?" Depressing thought, to suffer a crime against humanity, only to be forced to wonder all the time if it is somehow one's own fault. And to have people on DU reinforcing it...truly alarming.

[seabeyond]

168. i know 4 women raped. girls really, they are ones preyed on. 4 rapes unreported

there is not a chance in hell those girls would do a damn thing about it. there was not a bit of confidence the guys/men would get in trouble, let alone the girls believed.

4 rapists did not suffer any repercussion. left to rape again.

the men on this thread reducing it to females lying about rape are delusional, and i have to believe they do it to be able to ignore the reality of rape for any given reason.

i do not know of one female that has reported a rape

rape is not something us women talk about. i had to point blank ask those women around me, because i was curious. was not volunteered. it is something experienced and put away

and guys know it

there was a report on college boys if they would rape if they thought they could get away with it. like 63% said they would

[Odin2005]

170. People want to deny the problem, and obsess over the minority of rape cases done by strangers.

Stranger rape can be dismissed as sick monsters doing it for the power trip, bringing up date rape forces people to examine misogyny in our society.

This is why I reject the dogma that "rape is all about power", that might be the case for stranger rapes, but for date rapes the reason is much more obvious, men thinking they are simply entitled to sex whether the woman wants it or not. I fear that the "all aboput power" dogma is just another example of people ignoring date rape because they don't want to examine the misogyny, and putting the blame on "a few monsters" instead.

[seabeyond]

178. simply entitled

i agree with all of your post odin....

[Odin2005]

179. Thanks.

[Odin2005]

172. I find it disturbing that so many of my fellow liberal males are OK with date-rape.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

171. Name one.

[Odin2005]

173. LOL, says the poster thank thinks raping a passed-out drunk women is OK!

:rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

174. It's not rape if they give consent.

Maybe that's hard for people who joke about prison rape to comprehend, but it's true.

[Odin2005]

175. How can they give consent if they are passed out?

:eyes:

And I NEVER joked about prison rape in the last year, prove it or STFU.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

176. They can give consent before hand, and afterwards.

As was the case of that movie you pretended to be offended about.

Hell, it's OK for a woman to scream no and try to fight off the guy, assuming she still gives consent. How does that work? Well, if you must know, there are S&M fetishists who are into that sort of thing. They decide what they want to do before hand, they should probably agree to a safe word, they have their fun, and their that's that. Fully consensual. No rape.

"And I NEVER joked about prison rape in the last year, prove it or STFU."

Don't you remember, Odin? There was some thread about some guy who had committed some rather vile crime. Omega Minimo commented about how it would be justice if the guy got raped in prison. You replied that you agreed. It wasn't so much of a joke, as much as an endorsement.

[Odin2005]

180. If it was before you were drunk then it IS consent.

But there is no such thing as consenting after the fact.

And Post the damn thread or it didn't happen.

[EOTE]

185. Post the damn thread or it didn't happen.

I can't believe I'm in the position of defending HFPS here, but you're being incredibly dishonest. Why is it that you can make these horrible accusations and everyone is supposed to take you at your word, but HFPS brings up a very real instance of you approving rape and you claim he's lying because he can't find the particular post? I saw the post he's referring to, and yes, you not only approved, but tacitly advocated prison rape. I'm also familiar with the post you're using to accuse HFPS of thinking that raping a passed-out woman is ok. Within the context of that movie, it was definitely NOT date rape. It doesn't make what the character did a good or noble thing, but it was incredibly far removed from rape. For you to conflate that with rape demeans those who have really experienced it.

[Blue-Jay]

177. "Source: Washington Post" = did not read.

yawn.

[lame54]

181. it's more coherent that "gay republican"

[guitar man]

183. What a vile pile of puke

Just because a woman gets drunk, that doesn't mean she's suddenly a slut. Just because she goes to your room drunk that doesn't necessarily mean she wants to have sex. There is no inherent right to have sex with somebody just because they are impaired and in your room,period .

Back before I was married and I was on the road playing with bands I wound up after the show in the company of women who had been drinking many times. No matter how drunk they were, I always treated them with respect. Sometimes we had sex and sometimes we stayed up talking about Jerry Garcia or Eric Clapton all night, and sometimes they passed out. When they did pass out, I would always make sure they weren't lying on their back so they wouldn't aspirate if they threw up and did anything else I could to make sure they were taken care of.

Just because they had a little too much to drink at the show was no excuse to not treat them like a lady. ;)