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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 12:50 PM
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Ratcheting up the Rhetoric in Afghanistan:
Obama’s Rhetoric in Afghanistan Prolongs US Role in Civil War There

President Obama showed courage in going to Afghanistan to talk to the troops, but he's just getting the U.S. in deeper over there.

The rhetoric he used on Sunday was at times distorting, and the thrust was distressing.

Like Bush, he summoned the 9/11 attack, saying, "We did not choose this war." And he added: "This is the region where the perpetrators of that crime, al Qaeda, still base their leadership."

That's clever phrasing, to use the word "region" and not "country," since Al Qaeda's forces are no longer in Afghanistan. They're in Pakistan.

So the U.S. is not waging a war against Al Qaeda anymore-and hasn't been for years. It's taking sides in a civil war, with the Pashtuns and the Taliban squaring off against warlords from the north and Karzai's government.

But that's a harder sell, so Obama didn't make it.

Instead, he told the soldiers: "Your services are absolutely necessary, absolutely essential to America's safety and security." And he said, "The United States of America does not quit once it starts on something. You don't quit, the American armed services does not quit, we keep at it."

So how does he square that rhetoric with his previous declaration that we're going to bring troops home from Afghanistan starting next summer?

It's all but impossible for the U.S. to "defeat and destroy Al Qaeda and its extremist allies," though that's what Obama said our goal is. It will be difficult to root out Al Qaeda's leadership in Pakistan, and even then, Al Qaeda would still flourish n its offshoots around the world. It will also be very difficult to "defeat and destroy" Al Qaeda's "extremist allies." Obama seemed to recognize this in another part of his speech, where he said part of U.S. strategy was to "reverse the Taliban's momentum"-not vanquish it. Then there are Al Qaeda's other "extremist allies," ensconced in Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI. And the United States to this date has not put enough pressure on the Pakistani government to sever this alliance.

Sixteen months from now, the odds are that the civil war in Afghanistan will look much the way it does today. And because Obama asserted that the outcome in Afghanistan is "absolutely necessary, absolutely essential to America's safety and security," then there is no way the U.S. will be able to leave.

So prepare for a longer war. Obama's rhetoric guarantees it.


http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/30-10
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 12:54 PM
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1. Would have gotten the same shit from Bush.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:00 PM
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2. "It's all but impossible for the U.S. to "defeat and destroy Al Qaeda and its extremist allies,"
See this is the problem I have with articles like this one. This writer is utterly unqualified to write on this subject matter. Yet that didn't stop the author from making bold proclamations that are not followed up with supporting facts and reason. If you are not a subject matter expert it's incumbent on the writer to support their statements.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:03 PM
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3. easy to find massive amts of supporting data, however, so your point is invalid
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:11 PM
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5. It appears you completely missed my point
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:28 PM
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9. no, you missed mine; there's no room in a short summary article to present huge data sets
anyone who's read even the bare minimum on Afghanistan, realizes it's folly for us to be there, and worse yet to be escalating
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:05 PM
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4. The new rhetoric just makes it possible for war profiteers to keep hauling in our money...
No different from previous presidents who ran bogus, and sometimes secret, wars.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:11 PM
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6. Al Qaeda is in Pakistan!!?? No Shit
Who wrote this enlightening analysis. :rofl:

No shit Al Qaeda is in Pakistan. No shit faction in Afghanistan are fighting each other. We've been helping them in that fight for decades. It is not, however, a civil war. It is much more complicated than that.

And yes those who have been paying attention have been prepared for a long war for quite a while.

I'm supposed to take someone seriously who didn't know that??
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:17 PM
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8. it's a morass, a quagmire, and brave US troops are being sacrificed for a corrupt regime
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 01:13 PM
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7. Get.Bin.Laden. ....n/t
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