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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:12 PM
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Talkin' Birch Tea Brood Blues
My normal brother called me last week. He had been going into a public building, when a group of Tea Bag Patriots momentarily blocked his way. Being less patient than myself, my brother told the people to move out of his way. A young woman – he estimated that she was in her early twenties – began telling him that he needed to join the struggle against the socialist plot being inflicted upon this nation by Barack Obama. Mt brother told her to “get the fuck out of my way,” and continued towards the building. She continued to yell nonsense at him as he walked away from her.

He said that years ago, when he lived in LA, he used to walk by a group called “Moonies” when he was at the airport. They used to flutter in his way, too. One kept asking him for a donation: “ten dollars, five dollars, one dollar, a half-dollar, a quarter, dime, nickle ….a penny.” So, he gave the fellow a penny. He said that at least the Moon-beams were polite, though the guy didn't actually thank him for that penny. The T-Bagsters were openly hostile, venom-dripping, and far more aggressive. No penny for them.

Later in the week, I logged onto a forum called “face book.” I communicate with, among a few others, an old friend who works in the region's largest news media source. A couple of his co-workers also participate on that forum, including on some of the discussions he starts regarding politics. These friends of his are T-Bagsters.

I meet my friend years ago, when he lived in an apartment in the building I inhabited (this was in my “single father” phase). He was a decent fellow, but he was far too invested in leading the life of an under-employed, overly-partying para-musician. Thus, our friendship was casual, until he became fully unemployed and desperate for money. I began to notice an increase in traffic at his door, with people going in and out rather quickly. I spoke to him about other options in life. He loved the media, so I helped him go back to college, get his degree, and find employment.

Like many people dealing with substance abuse/addiction issues, he had frequent cycles. Sober and employed; then high and fired. In time, he found “religion,” and has been gainfully employed and on the straight and narrow for years. However, as often happens, that “narrow” defined his perception and outlook. Hence, his friendship with the narrow, rigid thinking of his co-workers.

I find it curious that these people make decisions about what news is reported, and how it is reported. They do not work for Fox News, but the two friends definitely could. So, I ended up trying to engage them in an intelligent, factual, rational discussion on things political and social. Now, I'm at an age and state of mind where I rarely engage in “arguing.” I don't need to. No desire to make a contest out of something like a discussion or even debate on the internet. (I will, however, gladly engage in such a competition in the correct forum.) But these fellows found our conversation frustrating enough that they resorted to insults and name-calling, and the simply refusing to speak to me. My friend told me that they were “a couple of hot-heads.” Gracious! Was it something I said?

A month ago, I took a brief trip with my wife. I visited with an old friend, who I had worked with many years ago. He had earlier worked for then-NYS Assemblyman Charles Rangel in the late 1960s, and on his campaign when Rangel took Adam Clayton Powell, Jr's position in 1970. After that, my friend had a few jobs, usually on the state level, and over the years has not only been a good friend, but a heck of a resource for inside information and gossip.

When we were having lunch, he told me that he has joined the Tea Bag movement. I wasn't really shocked, nor repulsed, but I was wondering why? They struck me as an odd group, that were infected with nativism and Xenophobia. Plus, they listen to Glen Beck and Sarah Palin, and take them seriously.He said that there are a lot of “crazies” in the Tea Party, but that there are lots of them on the progressive left, too. I said that the difference, in my opinion, is that those on the left are at the fringes, while those in the Tea Party are the majority. He did not strongly disagree.

While we discussed a wide range of issues – in a discussion that continued over a few days – there were some areas where we were in agreement. The politicians in Washington, from both the Democratic and Republican Party, have betrayed their oath to uphold the Constitution. In doing so, they have clearly betrayed the public trust. And the public – both on the left and right – need to focus their trust today on two things: that Constitution, and on themselves. The Congress isn't going to go against the wishes of their corporate pimps, and stick up for you and I. And the US Supreme Court is not there to provide us with those protections that the Constitution demands – or they wouldn't have selected Bush/Cheney in 2000, or ruled that corporations are people.

The most interesting thing that my friend said was that the last best hop for this country is actually the intelligent, informed progressive/liberal left. He said that more than any other group in the country today, the democratic left has an understanding of, and appreciation for, what the Constitution is supposed to translate to in our modern society.

We agreed that there isn't going to be a unified front between the Tea Bag Party and the progressive/liberal left. Nor is that desirable. What we need to focus on is each of our groups acting in our own best interests. The truth is that the old labels really do not fit well any more. The Democratic Party isn't the coalition of interests, working for the common good, that it once was. It began morphing decades ago, and became stratified to a point where “unity” is only accomplished when everyone else supports the actions of those at the top. Certainly, elite democrats have more in common with elite republicans, than with you and I, no matter what they say when requesting our money, our time, and our votes.

A century and a half ago, there were far more than two political parties. At times, some cooperated with others – those times being when it was in their common interests. That is, in my opinion, about where we are at today. I'll work with like-minded democrats any time; with like-minded folks on the progressive left any time; with local republicans on a limited basis (for example, after the 2006 flood in our region; and with elite republicans never. I can deal with someone from the Tea Bag Party on an individual basis, such as having lunch with my old friend. But the vast majority of them strike me as angry and delusional at this point in time. Sadly, the vast majority of democrats in DC have exposed themselves as prostitutes, and I am not particularly interested in working for them, when they consistently ignore the needs of people like me, and betray the Constitution.

Strange brew, politics.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 05:16 PM
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1. I've thought of trying to infiltrate that group for laughs. Like that one group that interviews them
Edited on Tue Mar-30-10 05:17 PM by krabigirl
but I'm obviously not as good with cameras and such. However, I find nuts like this fascinating.
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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 08:16 PM
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2. recommend - agree 100%


especially about the Xenophobia, or just going with the culture you grew up with or perceived. I think many of these people are spoon fed their opinions, and couldn't write out what they actually think because it wouldn't make any sense. For instance, you can't think you are kind to animals and see them as equals when you subjugate or treat them cruelly.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 09:56 PM
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3. I wish there were a liberal progressive party.
But since there isn't, both can fail with their corporate politics and blame imaginary ones. Yes, politics today is a very strange brew. Two parties closer to each other than people realize and propaganda out our ears keeping people divided with delusions and no useful information to inform them. I have felt like a stranger in a strange land this last decade. And I really can't hold many conversations with people on the political situation in this country because I require a conversation that has some basis in reality. I'm not well suited for arguing about imaginary concerns. Makes for few useful conversations but maybe there are other ways for people to come together.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-30-10 10:54 PM
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4. Heard An Interview With Peter Beinart That Surprised Me
Edited on Tue Mar-30-10 11:32 PM by Me.
I almost fell off my chair when he said the real winners in the whole HRC mess were the progressive democrats. Really? Where was the public option? However, he said that those that wanted it stopped altogether failed and without the push from the lefties nothing would've gotten done. I also read that the number of progressive dems in the house is far larger than it used to be. Interesting. If progressives, who have been treated like ugly stepchildren, would realize they are a group with powerful potential, some really amazing changes could come to pass in this country.


I have no interest in, nor any respect for the slogan shouting teabaggers. They strike me as willfully uninformed. I think of them as bullies who, unhappy with their lives, are taking it out on others rather than facing their reality. There's an army of villains out there right now willing to whip the fools up. Palin, Beck and all the rest of the liars are having their day in the sun but I count on the ever proven maxim of 'what goes up. must come come down, spinning wheel got to go round' being right.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:08 AM
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5. .
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 08:25 AM
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6. Kick
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bulldogge Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:25 AM
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7. This may not
be the most popular idea to present on this forum but in my opinion the progressive left party is the Green Party. Time and time again, even on this forum I have read comments or heard people say, "I probably have more in common with the Greens than the Dems but I don't want to throw my vote away." I bet if everyone who felt that way stood behind that particular party it would pale the tea baggers in comparison.

As for the tea party it is really, once again in my opinion, a new label for an old idea. It is nothing more than the Libertarian party trying to cleverly disguise themselves as a new movement. I think that it is like any group though in that there may be some people involved who are simply frustrated and looking to voice their opinion and feel it is the best method available while willingly overlooking the less than savory majority of their group. The problem is that it discredits those individuals by taking part in a formation like that.

I think what should be of concern to the Democrats is that it may be difficult to find any reason to be impressed with the Tea Party's ideals or ethics but it is gaining enough exposure and momentum where it could easily effect voting outcomes in states where the numbers are close and there are a large number of "undecided" voters. All it is going to take is a Republican, or more likely an Independent, to harness the energy of that frustrated group and ride the wave to Washington.

It is difficult because the current administration took over a job that no one in their right mind would want and of course bushes errors are conveniently being overlooked by the tea party but those in office right now are not exactly going out of their way to change course and limit the tea baggers arguments.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:59 AM
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Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 11:59 AM by G_j
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 11:59 AM
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8. K&R!
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:12 PM
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9. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, H2O Man.:thumbsup:
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:13 PM
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10. If Teabaggers only had a grasp of facts, it would be different
Complicating things further is the lying right-wing press which gives these people their marching orders, along with the mainstream media which gives them way too much credit and exposure in their quest to show "balance".
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 12:48 PM
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11. Good comparison.
Actually, reading about many of the protests I've noticed many old Birchers who now call themselves Tea Baggers. As I said in another post, while there may be certain people within their "Big Tent" that I might find common cause with, (I'll stand together with anyone who opposes the Patriot Act and the Bogus War on Terror; plus I'm no fan of the Federal Reserve or any non-transparent institution), the Tea Party is by and large fueled by racism. Not just the overt racism we see in some of the nastier signs as well as hurled epithets, but underlying the very ideological fabric of their primary pied piper, Glenn Beck. When you get the chance, if you haven't read this already, this is a good article about Beck's ideological hero, W. Cleon Skousen:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/16/beck_skousen

Hope you're doing well, H2O Man. Always great to read what you have to say.
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