Thank you, CODEPINK, for pulling the mask off the Turdmaggot

[omega minimo]

Thank you, CODEPINK, for pulling the mask off the Turdmaggot, at a theater in Beverly Hills. Next stop, Jay Leno Show. Lights! Camera! Treason! Fake Laughs! APPLAUSE on cue!!

Faux News, Meet The Press, corporate-owned cameras have to play along with the farce. Does the public? How would you feel in the presence of the nation's Premiere Traitorous Lying Slimeball, right up on the list with Limbaugh, Gingrich and Luntz? If you haven't seen the video, check out his readymade lies, as he attempts to accuse others of his own abuses, his own tactics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBH4lXAauDI

How would you feel in the presence of this Turdmaggot, knowing how much damage and deceit and DEATH and DESTRUCTION he is responsible for? Ya wanna sit and play nice and wait your turn and ask him to sign your book to your dead wife, your maimed brother, your PTSD'd father, your depleted uranium toxified daughter? Ask if he got any cool looted mementoes from the destruction of The Cradle of Civilization?

Didn't think so.

But this is BEVERLY HILLS! How did those clownish weirdoes even FIND this theater? Isn't this a gated community?

Doesn't matter what they are wearing. Whoever you are, sitting there fuming at the insanity of this man being taken seriously, as if the event is not in honor of his rewrite of recent, rancid history. You want to do it. You know you won't. But SOMEONE SHOULD DO SOMETHING!! Someone should say it! Someone should stand up! Someone should call his bullshit! Someone should SHOUT AT THIS BASTARD liar, slimy, sluglike death-dealer; pompous prick of the privileged class, enriching and engorging themselves on the BLOOD AND TREASURE of this nation; lying, cheating and stealing themselve into position to destroy the fabric of American life, create another Lost Generation and legion of future homeless wrecks, lying on our streets and sidewalks, whispering, "There were no WMDs........."

And damn STRAIGHT it should happen in bloody Beverly Hills, home of the star maker machinery, the razzle dazzle moguls of media magic whose toxic products include Ronald Reagan. Tricky Dick Nixon and Arnold Schwarzenliar.

People have worn a lot of colors, signs, props, silly things over the years, trying to make a point. The court jester may speak the truth, while the courtiers bow and grovel; the innocent child may point out that THE CLOTHES HAVE NO EMPEROR. Rove should be in handcuffs. His Hollywood red carpet is colored with BLOOD.

Code Pink speaks for me and they speak for YOU, citizen, patriot, lover of democracy, whether you like it or not.



http://www.alternet.org/rights/146231/why_i_tried_to_put_the_cuffs_on_karl_rove
http://www.codepink4peace.org/
 
"He wanted to do a book signing and she wanted to arrest him," was the lead on KCBS TV in Los Angeles. Dozens of activists attended the book signing in Beverly Hills of Karl Rove and his new book, Courage and Consequence. After almost an hour of his lies I leapt up with a set of handcuffs and my full page arrest complaint followed immediately by the event security. I managed to get very close to Rove, even tricking the security to let go of me, causing Rove to dash away while I reached for his wrist with the hand cuffs. My words followed him. But he only went a few steps and was greeted by Dede Miller, her nephew Casey Miller, son of Cindy Sheehan was killed in Iraq 6 years ago April 4th. She told him his lies killed her nephew while holding up a photo of Casey. Patricia Foulkrod, director of the Ground Truth stood by him with an Arrest the War Criminal banner as the event unraveled and he announced to the organizers it was over."

"We at CODEPINK refuse to stop working for accountability, we cannot turn our back on Justice, by doing so we empower more liars. Government, politics, Wall Street, the media are flooded with them."

[panader0]

1. "How would you feel in the presence of this Turdmaggot"?

I'm sure I'd end up in jail for assault.

[Ticonderoga]

63. I'm sure I'd be going to jail with you. n/t

[Bitwit1234]

120. What makes you so outraged is...the police are right there to

arrest Code Pink...while they let the racist tea bags call the democratic representative names and spit on them along with republican politic ans egging them on. Two set of rules America, a republican is still above the law. We need to clean out the Secret Service and FBI and put in loyal Americans who make no distinction between a person's political persuasion and arrest someone for breaking the law.

Maybe we should write letters to President Obama and ask him why he still has Secret Service and FBI Agents that discriminate against Democrats who let republicans walk free while the arrest a Democrat for a far less infraction.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. You rock Dede!!

:yourock:

[kas125]

10. I meant what I said this morning, it was a great thing to see

on my tv first thing in the morning. I saw the video last night online and I was really happy to see it on CNN. Do you think it would be okay to post Dede's note about what she said to him that we couldn't hear here?

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. Yes I think that's okay

[vanlassie]

3. Code Pink speaks for me.

[conturnedpro09]

21. They downright embarass me and every other Democrat I know. nt.

[kas125]

24. Sounds as if you don't know too many democrats. n/t

[Dr.Phool]

35. Bingo!

Maybe a few sheep and some DINO's.

[chervilant]

42. hmm...

What about Code Pink embarrasses you?  Maybe you should ask
yourself that question before you slam these Code Pink
Activists.

[Forkboy]

44. uh huh.

[hobbit709]

47. How many Democrats do you know?

Because about 90% of the ones I know would approve.

[rbixby]

59. I think they go over the line sometimes

but if I were an RW'er, I sure wouldn't want Code Pink on my ass! I remember seeing them chase Rove down the street at the RNC screaming "Criminal!! Criminal!!" It was hilarious.

[av8rdave]

66. I guess the real question is what constitutes "going over the line?"

I would think lying our country into an illegal, preemptive war and getting untold thousands of people killed and lives destroyed constitutes "going over the line."

Guess it's all a matter of scale and perspective.

[rbixby]

89. I just think that sometimes

their tactics are in poor taste. Not that they shouldn't keep doing it, just personally, I would do things differently. They're a brave group of people, and I have to give them a lot of props for doing what they do. I was definitely impressed with the way they conducted themselves at the RNC. The only thing that I thought was kind of lame when I saw them there was when some of their members crawled under the barriers and were immediately arrested. I have mixed feelings about whether that kind of protest has any real effect.

[liberation]

92. I know, when war criminals can't even have a staged book singing in peace

what is this world coming to?


Out of sight, out of mind. Right?

[rbixby]

94. Sometimes militancy is called for

other times it just makes your cause look bad. I'm not saying that interrupting the book signing is an example of that though. In some other cases I think they've gone a bit too far. Sometimes these kind of actions end up lending more credibility to the person that is being protested.

[liberation]

115. "I'm not saying that interrupting the book signing is an example of that though..."

Actually that is exactly what you are saying.

Typical misplaced "concern" to mask obvious doublethink trying have it both ways: rush to defend the sensibilities of an asshole like Rove, while pretending to have the moral upper hand by doing so.

I assume that trying to make a person like Rove, who is responsible for so much hubris, to be the actual victim... must require a lot of creative intellectual dishonesty, and sadly the new batch of "oh so concerned" posters in this thread is really not up to the challenge. It says a lot about these new democrats who consider people, with actual convictions and who are willing to stand by them, such a threat.

[rbixby]

157. You've got it all wrong

I think Rove is as much of a douchebag as the rest of you all. I'm not quite sure why you're using this as an excuse to get angry. I'm not denouncing Code Pink or anything. I think your anger is misplaced.

[sabrina 1]

171. Nothing could make our cause look bad compared to what

they are protesting:

The slaughter of over one million human beings.

Torture

Stolen votes from miniroties and the poor

The political prosecution of Don Siegelman

Revealing the ID of an undercover agent ~ treason

Those are just Rove's major crimes, he is guilty of a lot more.

How in the name of all the gods could anything we do to draw attention to such massive crimes and the criminals who committed them, 'make our cause look bad'??

[SusanaMontana41]

102. Well said!

You and Code Pink speak for me.

[omega minimo]

121. "their tactics are in poor taste." Whereas the taste of treason and toxic Bushco waste is SO SMOOTH

thanks to perception management and sanitized/censored real life events that CODEPINK's antics cut through to reveal real people, real opinions and real reality.

"Not that they shouldn't keep doing it, just personally, I would do things differently."

That's fine. Except you don't, do you. What would you do if you did and when will you start? :thumbsup:

[activa8tr]

125. So well stated, made me laugh in a way.

Of course, it's not a laughable issue, because it's so true

[omega minimo]

126. laughter's good

the court jester's know this :evilgrin:

[av8rdave]

151. History shows that tactic can be very effective

The code pink folks show more guts doing that than turd @$$hole ever showed in his whole miserable life.

[Scruffy1]

104. Rove has been over the line for years

How can one equate Code Pink with war criminals. Roves list of crimes would fill a book and the
indictment would have to be put on wheels. How many are dead because of this immoral coward? Did Code Pink steal elections, help turn the US into a fascist state, leave a trail of over a million dead, rob the American workers of their home and jobs. These cowardly warmongers deserve a much worse fate. Think of the dead babies, the depleted uranium and then tell yourself its "just politics". Thats the American way.

[Raineyb]

83. Might I suggest a spine.

Assuming that you and all the other "Democrats" you know are indeed Democrats rather than DINOs.

[HughBeaumont]

85. Vichy free-traitor Third Way Dems embarrass me more than anything.

At least Republicans tell you up front they're perfectly happy being corporate loveslaves.

Opposition should be just that. I am a fan of teh CodePink, thanks.

[Barrymores Ghost]

134. Thanks for your input. Enjoy your short stay.

[UpInArms]

139. you must know very few Democratic people

:shrug:

[fascisthunter]

159. no they don't... you embarrass yourself

[sabrina 1]

170. I thought you were going to say that Karl Rove embarrasses

you. Did you know this is a Democratic board?

Code Pink are HEROES!

Karl Rove is a war criminal.

There, now you have the facts!

[barbtries]

113. they speak for me as well

i'll have to go search for a chapter in raleigh again - sadly, i haven't found one yet.

[sabrina 1]

4. They speak for me also. And for all the victims

and their loved ones from the war in Iraq, for the minority voters whose votes he stole, for the undercover agents whose lives he endangered. And for Don Siegelman whose life he destroyed because he dared to raise questions about the stolen election Rove was involved in.

Our government and fake media doesn't have the integrity to treat him the way he deserves to be treated. Wasn't he subpoenaed by Congress to appear to answer a few questions they wanted to ask him? Didn't he just thumb his nose at them?

Thank YOU Code Pink. At least someone is not sitting down and letting him distort history without a challenge.

[laughingliberal]

6. Perfectly stated.

The number of lives destroyed by this man is beyond comprehension. Thank you for reminding us.

[omega minimo]

7. All the victims. Well put. I hoped people would add to the list ..........

and Siegelman is a great call. ALL the victims... of the genocide in Katrina/NOLA. Speaking of media scams.

[sabrina 1]

11. The list is long. He represents all that is wrong with this country.

There can never be a way to compensate for the evil this one person, I hesitate to call him a 'man', the word just does't seem to fit, is responsible for, going all the way back to his college years. His friendship with Abramoff, Ralph Reed and most of all, George Bush.

And he is responsible for the training of dirty tricksters O'Keefe and Breitbart and their ilk. He is dangerous to this democacy and yet, he is treated with respect, as the OP points out so well, by our media who either are afraid of him, or agree with his tactics. I don't know which is worse, but he is a blight on this country and to see people on this board defend him, under the pretext that they defending free speech, is just sickening.

Thanks for this OP. We can't be reminded enough of how evil this person is.

Oh yes, and once again. Go Code Pink! If only there were more of them.

[omega minimo]

12. including his own apparent self delusion that he is not the scum of the earth

Bought his own slimy lies?

[sabrina 1]

16. What was hillarious was to see Karl Rove demand Constitutional

rights! I laughed my head off when I heard that. The guy who doesn't believe in the Constitution at all!

The video is great, it shows what a coward he is. He can't stand up to a few women dressed in pink and runs away whining like a baby. Another chickenhawk Republican who can facilitate the slaughter of innocents while hiding behind the power of the U.S. government.

Sorry, I guess by now you know, I just can't stand the guy, and all he does is remind me that this country no longer operates under the rule of law.

[crazyjoe]

50. what about the victims of afganistan? oh yea, fuck them right, that's

the good war.

[omega minimo]

71. what about them?

why not honor them by adding them, rather than try to piss on the thread? gotta problem, "crazyjoe"?

[sabrina 1]

81. Who said Afghanistan was a good war? I for one have

opposed it from the beginning. What about you? He wasn't in the position of power he was later appointed to when the decision to engage in that travesty was made. I prefer not to make sweeping accusations without being able to back them up. Not that he opposed it, but blame for that goes to others who were directly responsible for starting it.

Also, as you point out, it was presented as a 'good war' so it didn't need much selling as the lust for revenge influenced the American people to support it, for which they too are responsible, as far as those victims are concerned.

There is enough to blame him for, enough that he could be prosecuted for, without that war for which he could not be prosecuted for. Otoh, the torture victims from Afghanistan are victims of his support for those policies.

[Ignis]

62. Thanks for stating this clearly.

Despite all the claims of "media-whoredom" and such that are flung at CP, I don't see many other groups out there doing the simple, effective act of protesting our very own war criminals.

[sabrina 1]

137. That's what really is a shame, that there are so fews

standing up for justice. Odd that the outrage of a few here is not at the war criminals, but at the tiny group of voices trying to get justice in a country that has already stated 'there will be none, we must look forward'.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. Let this continue

[kas125]

9. Don't worry, it definitely will continue. We plan to

confront the war criminals wherever and whenever they appear in public for the rest of their lives or until they're actually arrested and tried for their crimes. Poor little Rove hasn't had a single stop on his tour that hasn't been met by CP, this was just the first time it made the news.

[chervilant]

43. Well,

if this war criminal ever comes to Houston, I'll be available
to assist Code Pink in any way I can.

[femrap]

56. I just checked out Turdmaggot's

tour schedule.

He certainly is avoiding the Beaten Path. Meijer's? In Ft. Wayne, IN? Also going to be in Noblesville, IN. Where's that?

For those who don't know...Meijer's is a major grocery store in MI, OH, KY, IN similar to a Walmart.

I don't see how a red-blooded Democrat could resist grabbing a nice tomato and taking aim at Turdmaggot.

And he's going to be at a Costco in AZ. I think I'll write Costco and ask them to cancel.

Lancaster, PA? Does he have a big following with the Amish?

eta: http://www.rove.com/book

Washington, PA at Sam's Club?

[omega minimo]

72. push the books via Big Box stores, push the rewrite of his/story, before it hits the thrift stores

[rurallib]

77. Noblesville, In. is just north of Indianapolis.

My kids live in Carmel which is right between Indy and Noblesville.
My daughter isn't as activist as me, but she might want to go and give him the finger.

[barbtries]

117. not only that,

but the "crowd" he was able to muster in one of the most heavily populated areas of the world was, according to the newscast, "about one hundred people." :rofl:

[activa8tr]

127. Wow great! I hope he calls off his book and the publisher loses

millions of dollars for daring to publish it, when no one will buy it.

And THAT will foretell what will happen when Bush gets his payoff, and tries to actually speak..altho I'm sure he won't be seen in public, only on the teevee Fox and CNN thingy.

[Melusine]

8. Yes, thank you.

What a vile piece of pond scum he is.

[Dinger]

13. K & R

[Turborama]

14. K&R I'm surprised so many DUers are saying they wish CP would shut up

It's bordering on Turd Blossom apologetics.

[kas125]

17. I don't get it, either, but I can tell you from experience that

CodePink is usually vilified here. Believe me, as an active member of CodePink, I pay attention to what people say about us here and it's definitely shocking sometimes. I don't participate much because of it, but I do find myself coming to DU several times a day just to read.

[Turborama]

28. Don't worry

It seems like they are just a keyboard pounding small minority (see my reply to Sabrina below). You shouldn't let them shut you up, I'd personally really like to hear 1st person accounts of protests you've been involved in, for example.

BTW I reckon you should take a screenshot of the front page to share with your colleagues, CP seem to have risen to the top of the Greatest Page and the video I posted is currently featured there.

Nice to meet you. :hi:

[kas125]

31. Aww, thanks! It's nice to meet you, too! I've done a bit of

protesting... This was one of my favorites - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzOHexHyu44 We went to a Palin rally! Those legs in the middle of the banner at the beginning are mine. The one yelling is Lori Perdue, who is a veteran and is pretty famous for some of the things she's done. I adore her! I had to pretend to be a Palin fan and go to their campaign office to get the tickets. Oh, boy, was that a treat. At the rally, people started getting violent, which you can't really see in the video. A kid who was trying to pull the banner out of our hands actually raised his fist to punch me in the face. I just looked him in the eyes and said, "You better think about it. Is this what you really want to do, hit an old lady?" Suddenly, his entire demeanor changed and he looked embarrassed and walked away. Those people really are nuts.

Then there was this - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2183321 I did get a letter from my congressman which included a copy of a letter he got from the CIA. Their supposed reason was a lie.

I was at the RNC in St. Paul. Scary! There are lots of videos on youtube of that. I was standing on the corner when the police attacked during the Poor People's March. I got out of there fast! When they really attacked the crowd the second night, I was stuck in a car with four other pinkers. We were dressed up and intended to attend a speech that night. But they had the roads blocked with snow plows and lines of riot police and we couldn't get there. We heard the explosions and smelled the cordite, but we weren't in it. We did a planned march through town, singing peace songs and stopped where we were supposed to, holding signs and singing. We were accompanied by police officers the entire way. After thirty minutes or so, we noticed that they had totally surrounded us. There was a wall behind us and a ring (actually three sides of a square) of police in riot gear.

But my best day was the day I went to DC and met with my congressman and my senators with four other CodePinkers. We do that, too, but most people don't know that, I guess. No protesting, no yelling, just talking with them about the war and sitting in the cheap seats watching Congress vote. We got a guided tour of the building and got to ride the little train thing in the basement that's usually only for members and staff. Three times!

[sabrina 1]

33. Wow, I so admire you for all you do!

But this was brilliant! It made my day to see the little weasel exposed for the coward he is. Thank you and your friends for having the guts to confront him: :applause: :applause:

Oh, and don't worry about the few DLCers here, they are in the minority but tend to post manically whenever they see a thread where the War Criminals are being exposed by good citizens like yourselves. Who knows what their problems are? I think they're comical myself. Imagine anyone trying to defend Karl Rove's 'rights' when the war criminal is still walking around free, selling books filled with lies and being treated like a normal human being on TV? It's hilarious!

As Turborama pointed out, the OP about Rove being confronted by Code Pink made it to the greatest page.

Keep up the good work and stay safe ~ turd-blossom is probably not very happy about what happened today :rofl:

[Duval]

99. Thank you, kas125. n/t

[G_j]

34. you are correct

it has happened many times in the past. There seems to be a vocal contingent of people who will try to knock down anyone who pokes their head up and takes the initiative to actually confront the war crimes and war criminals.

[Dr.Phool]

36. Code Pink fills a necessary role.

They're pretty tame by my standards, but I'm an old Yippee from the 60's and 70's. I still proudly remember the time we threw over 10,000 dead lab rats at Nixon and his mototcade, at his second coronation.

[barbtries]

119. fwiw

i love what you do. thank you for what you do. i wish i could be with you when you do.

[omega minimo]

19. what are their excuses? I imagine unfamiliarity with protests at all or pranks or reality, stuck in

a proper prudery that disallows the human element, style over substance ...

EVEN WITH SOMEONE THIS VILE?

[kas125]

22. Yep, that's pretty much it. We should be quiet, respectful,

stop disrupting, we're an embarrassment, we hurt our cause rather then help it, etc. It gets old, especially when it's something like Rove and war crimes.

One of the people in that video is Dede Miller, Cindy Sheehan's sister. She held up a picture of Casey to Rove's face and asked him how he can say he and Bush met with the families when they wouldn't meet with any that didn't agree with their agenda. She also asked him how he can sleep at night. He stammered, twice, "I'm responsible..." before he left the stage.

[sabrina 1]

79. How sad. Rove gets richer while those who lost

loved ones like Cindy Sheehan will never 'get over it' as they foolishly thought. The arrogance they have, to profit from their crimes, knows no bounds.

Good for Dede for reminding him of the consequences of his lies which he clearly gives little thought to.

Anyone in this thread who objects to a family member taking an opportunity to face those responsible for their tragic losses, is not worthy of responding to.

[barbtries]

129. wow i just remembered,

i met Dede years ago, in front of Feinstein's LA office. do they still go out every Friday? i'm in Raleigh NC now, but am still a member of MFSO and count Pat Alviso did i get that right? as a friend.

it's hard to believe that these wars STILL go on. and that rove, cheney, bush etc will probably never face justice for their crimes.

[sabrina 1]

25. Hey Turborama!

It's only a few DUers actually, the same five or six who defend Karl Rove's 'rights' but do not recognize the rights of ordinary citizens to express their opinions also.

Strange to see it here though. But the DLC eg, hates liberals who stand up and cannot be restrained by an angry call from Rahm. He has no control over them.

They made the news which was great! Now when people see him on CNN they will have second thoughts about who he really is.

[Turborama]

27. Hiya!

I guess so. Judging by the front page at the moment they do seem to have a lot more supporters here than the flaming in the threads suggest.

Also, if you compare current recs the 2nd highest rated OP on the http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=greatest_threads">Greatest Page has compared to the actual recs in the http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=greatest_threads&topten=1">Top Ten, you can see it's only 8 unrecs and I reckon that's within the margin of error of your guess, lol.

:hi:

[sabrina 1]

82. Thanks for doing the math Turborama ~

A lot of people used to be silenced by those who claimed to worry about what the right might think of us. But those old talking points are pretty ineffective anymore. The magnitude of the crimes requires that decent people everywhere speak out against the perpetrators. Sadly, our political parties and media are a long way having the conscience or the courage to do so, except for a very few.

Which leaves it up the people and which heroes out those who have the courage to do it publicly, like Code Pink.

[Dr.Phool]

58. Well, we are just "fucking retards" after all.

What do they expect?

[Greyhound]

29. As Sabrina said, there are only a few here

but they are given extraordinary latitude, especially now that the mask is off.

Just keep pissing them off and causing as much trouble as you can!

[kas125]

32. Will do! Thanks!!

[Ignis]

61. It's people like you who cause unrest. Keep it up!

:patriot:

[Greyhound]

65. Can't stop me!

I've been causing trouble so long, it's like breathing anymore.

Go Code Pink!
ETA;:patriot:

[Ignis]

78. Right on. Couldn't stop if we wanted to...and we don't.

:thumbsup:

[BrklynLiberal]

15. Code Pink is a group of dedicated, courageous and intelligent women.

I am in awe of them and what they do!!

[omega minimo]

20. +

and their website is "CodePink4Peace"

[EFerrari]

18. K&R

[G_j]

23. Thank You Code Pink!

:loveya: :hug: :applause: :thumbsup:
:loveya: :hug: :applause: :thumbsup:
:loveya: :hug: :applause: :thumbsup:

[Kitty Herder]

26. K&R

[truedelphi]

30. Codepink - you give me reason to live.

Watching this on TV was refreshing.

[H2O Man]

37. Recommended.

Very good!

[malaise]

38. Bravo Code Pink

:yourock:

[Hubert Flottz]

39. Karl Rove makes maggots sick.

He's one turd blossom that a fly would avoid.

[omega minimo]

70. LOL

:rofl:

[activa8tr]

128. I wonder if maggots really WOULD avoid his dead body....the image in

my mind...or was that a pipe dream?

[The Wizard]

40. I anxiously await the news report

of Karl Rove's beating at the hands of someone who lost a loved one while the Bush cartel made a profit on their loss. Someone, anyone step forward and teach Rove a lesson he'll never forget. Or, throw bags of shit at him when he makes a public appearance.

[omega minimo]

87. Accountability is what's called for. Peace and justice, not violence.

[truth2power]

45. Code Pink speaks for me. Thank yu for your comments, Omega...

I am appalled that there are those who would castigate people for speaking out against that worthless POS.

I think this place is infested.

[Echo In Light]

46. Rec 50 !

[crazyjoe]

48. Thanks code pink!! For making asses out of yourselfs and the

anti war folks.
the memo is, war is ok if there is a democrat in the whitehouse. Where the fuck is Tim Robbins? where is his girlfriend Susan Suranden ?
Iraq rages on, people are dying, but that's ok, we won the whitehouse!!!
We look like total hypocrites, and this will come back to bite us.

[unapatriciated]

144. you didn't get this memo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQE2wqRBwQQ
or this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq3AC7eyBRs

The majority of us do not support these unending wars no matter who is in the White House.
Can I sign you up for the next march?

[Agony]

49. CODEPINK ROCKS!

[conscious evolution]

51. K&R

[seattle_blue]

52. Another total outrage!!!!!!!!!!!!

This morning I had on MSNBCs morning joe. I don't know the blond woman's name, but she had the freakin nerve to compare Code Pink to the Teabaggers. I was on fire. The fact that she did that is pure BS.......I am outraged!!!!!!!! I am simply lost for words!

[sabrina 1]

86. Don't worry about it, you could expect nothing more from

the corporate media. Ignore them and keep spreading the truth. Best thing decent citizens could do is to boycott our corporate media which many do already.

Fortunately we have other avenues of getting the truth out. I understand your outrage, though. Notice the talking point is the same one used here by pro-Rove commenters. It means nothing, the truth is that it will take time to inform everyone, but giving up is not the answer. And Code Pink are leading the way and the more support they get from the public, the less impact the liars will have.

[Vidar]

53. K&R.

[femrap]

54. I love Code Pink!

The only organization that ACTS against war mongers.

Rove takes the $$$ and runs....what a coward!

K and R

[Bluenorthwest]

55. Love Code Pink!!!

They do it right, they do it in pink.

[Boxcar Johnson]

57. Good stuff

Rove is a creep.

[pgodbold]

60. I am honored to be alive in the same century as CODEPINK. Bless you each.

[Uncle Joe]

64. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, omega minimo.:thumbsup:

[ConservativeDemocrat]

67. Codepink - Teabaggers of the Left

I really wonder how people would react if some Teabagger tried to make a "citizens
arrest" of President Obama for "violating the constitution" by "imposing socialism"
and "maybe being an illegal immigrant".

Would anyone here be screeching on about free speech rights of those teabaggers?


I tell you I am ever so glad that Democrats don't encourage wackjob wingnuts like
Republicans do theirs. It's downright embarrassing, not to mention being
counterproductive.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Greyhound]

68. False premise from a 'conservative', what a surprise.

"violating the Constitution" is not a charge, nor is "imposing Socialism". Lying under oath, OTOH, is a crime, and only one in a very long list.

:kick:

[ConservativeDemocrat]

73. Neither Code Pink nor Teabaggers are prosecutors

And this nation does not allow for privatized prosecution for political reasons. It
never has.

And for your information, I am on the conservative end of the Democratic party, which
ranges from moderate to nutcase lunatic leftists who think they are both judge and jury
(though thankfully very rarely, executioner - there are more McVeighs out there than
William Ayers).

I am simply repeating basic facts about how the vast majority of Americans view these
things. It is up to you to decide whether you want to see it.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Greyhound]

80. Again with shifting the issue to fit your narrative. This was an attempt to make

a citizen's arrest which is perfectly legal in CA under CA Penal Code Sec. 837.

The qualifying circumstance is twofold;

The person arrested has committed a felony, although not in the citizen's presence.

A felony has been in fact committed and the citizen has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested has committed it.

One thing that we should all have learned as we go through this life is that the majority is usually wrong. Do I really need to quote Margaret Mead for you?

[ConservativeDemocrat]

90. Alright, I'll humor you for a moment...

Not withstanding the fact that I think we both agree that Rove is odious, though popular with the Fox news set, to make a citizens arrest, Rove must
have been known to committed a California felony. Though it is rarely pursued, Perjury can be technically prosecuted as a felony in California.

That leaves only these three questions:

1. Under what California court proceeding did Mr. Rove testify?
   
2. Why, if he committed an indisputable felony, did the courts not arrest him?
   
3. Why did the people attempting to make this "arrest" not simply inform the police?
   

Please understand that the Courts look very dimly on people trying to privatize justice by misuse of the citizens arrest statues. You are allowed to make a
citizens arrest only when police are not available, not to substitute your own opinion for that of the courts when the courts do not do what you want.

These Code Pink loons got off easy. If they had actually managed to grab Rove, they would have certainly ended up convicted for third degree assault or false imprisonment.

And worst, from my perspective, is that the resulting embarrassment would move moderates to actually sympathize with Rove.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[liberation]

93. Nothing "real" about logical fallacies being used as arguments...

"Reality" most certainly does not mean "taking the path of least resistance due to your lack of principles."

[omega minimo]

114. and here is the reason Dems must keep moving Rightward, from a "Reality Based" Conservative

"... from my perspective, is that the resulting embarrassment would move moderates to actually sympathize with Rove."



Any one calling themselves a Democrat who is this clueless about the whole matter, anyone who would fall for this obsequious and phony appeal to kneel before the Turdmaggot, have no business criticizing THE TEABAGGERS, let alone CODEPINK.


:evilfrown: :rant:

[liberation]

122. Yeah, a lot of conservatives label themselves "democrats"

now that their GOP brand is damaged beyond repair. And I am sure once they are done driving the Dems into the ground, they will jump ship and will label themselves something else.

I have seen sports fans in LA being with more loyalty than some of these "New Democrats."

[ConservativeDemocrat]

131. I was a Democrat when you were just a twinkle in your daddy's eye

I can tell just by the way you talk, child.

Just as I say to my Republican friends, "Before you go bashing gays you ought to meet one",
I suggest that you try moving out of San Francisco (or whatever monoculture liberal community
you live in), actually meet someone you don't agree with in person, sit down, and have
coffee with them. Civilly, without screaming.

You might learn something. Grow up a little too.

Eventually, you might even be able to understand Americans enough to actually persuade them,
like I do.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Forkboy]

143. Yes, you're clearly good at the persuasion thing.

[omega minimo]

146. .

:spray:

[omega minimo]

148. Ah a good old diehard smug sexist been there done that spit in your eye Democrat

You consider your insults -- from the very first post onward -- persuasive?


"You might learn something. Grow up a little too. Eventually, you might even be able to understand Americans enough to actually persuade them,
like I do."


Yeah, right. You understand Americans enough to actually persuade them..."

You persuade them to be smug and certain in their social safety net, their solid citizenship based on never rocking the boat and never challenging authority or conformity?

There are differences in perception of CODEPINK that do seem regional/generational.

If you are of-a-certain-age, you recall marches and movements of the past, which CODEPINK is affiliated with and the last remnant of.

If you think San Francisco is a "monoculture," you are not as well informed as you pretend.

The coasts and/or the West may be more diverse than certain mentally monolithic areas of the country whose demographic you may identify with. Even in the diverse Bay Area, there may be many whose homes/bank accounts/egoes are as large as yours.

Nowhere in America, is there a citizen, lover of democracy, patriot who is unaware that this legacy requires that the individual stand up or all is lost, which is exactly what CODEPINK embodies, your smugness and longevity, aside.

[Greyhound]

165. I'll kick this again, you're arguing a case for prosecution, this would have been

an arrest. There would have, of course, been consequences for their action which they are willing to accept. It is the consequences of that action which are being prevented so that the crimes are never investigated. This is, at it's root, obstruction of justice by those entrusted to dispense justice, a case of special protection being extended to a known criminal due to nothing other than political corruption. We have not been "a nation of laws" for many years and it just keeps getting worse as people like you come to accept blatant criminality.
:kick:

[Scruffy1]

103. Having been at both the RNC and DNC

These are great Americans.

[sabrina 1]

75. So you believe that war criminals should not be

held accountable? Okay, Republicans agree with you which is why Rove and Cheney are still free to attack Democrats and lie about their own crimes.

I love what Code Pink does, they have more guts in their little pinkies than the 'always-worried-about-what-the-right-will-think-of-us' wimps that Democrats have listened to for far too long.

People with your fears have helped people like Rove and Cheney and Bush gain respectability in this country. But not anywhere else in the world. I will not be silent or condemn anyone who refuses to forget the war crimes, the torture and the lies that led us down that dark road.

Sorry you care more about appearances than the sheer magnitude of the crimes committed by the Bush administration. I doubt the Iraqi mothers whose babies were blown to bits as a result of the lies told to Americans, would find Code Pink's actions even close to adequate to deal with those injustices. But it's something.

Don't waste your time trying to manipulate people with those talking points that were the death of justice being done in this country. I despise them, I despised them when they first began to appear on Democratic blogs, meant to blunt the outrage against war criminals for some inexplicable reason.

And if a Democratic Administration were to engage in similar crimes, are you saying they ought to be ignored? Shame on anyone who would allow party loyalty to ignore human rights injustices such as were engaged in by the Bush Administration.

I hope Code Pink's actions are a reminder of how shameful it is that the U.S. has yet to deal with these crimes.

[Ignis]

100. "Republicans agree with you"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test

[omega minimo]

112. "Sorry you care more about appearances than the sheer magnitude of the crimes committed by the Bush"

"Sorry you care more about appearances than the sheer magnitude of the crimes committed by the Bush administration."

:kick:

[tekisui]

76. Oh boy.

You said: I really wonder how people would react if some Teabagger tried to make a "citizens
arrest" of President Obama for "violating the constitution" by "imposing socialism"
and "maybe being an illegal immigrant".

Would anyone here be screeching on about free speech rights of those teabaggers?

-----------------------------------------------

I'll leave to the side that you are comparing unfounded claims of the teabaggers with the very real crimes of rove and his gang that lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

I support the free speech of everyone, including teabaggers, code pink and rove.

[G_j]

84. FOX news

redux..

[omega minimo]

88. Rove, his book, his tour, his TV shows: that's not REALITY

Are you for real?

CODE:PINK brings reality to the playacting of TPTB.

Teabaggers were created by Dick Army and his ilk.

Why are you making false claims against the president that teabaggers would make?

"Screeching" :wtf:

Your post is "downright embarrassing, not to mention being counterproductive."

[omega minimo]

105. .

[Doremus]

136. Oh, so sorry to have offended your tender sensibilities!

My, my, whatever shall we do? ConservativeDemocrat is feeling uneasy and slightly embarrassed that Code Pink may have made a (gasp!) spectacle of itself! And in public of all places!

Better Code Pink should go home and quietly think about all the lives stolen by the Bush Cabal. After all, ConservativeDemocrat's tender sensibilities are sooooo much more important than the lies and thievery that resulted in the deaths of so many.

:puke:
:puke:
:puke:
:puke:

[mzclinton05]

141. Democrat Ideas

I like codepink and i'm more of a moderate democrat, I have to say this

The 2010 elections are coming soon and us democrats have to be ready to save our congress seats. Here's an idea for all across the country, we need a democrat pep rally for 2010. Show them republicans we mean business, if they can do it so can we! If it's a good idea, place your comments and or state your ideas as well. Make sure that we stand up for this country and keep our power in washington! Give A Shout Out!

[omega minimo]

149. Extra Anchovies, Table 11!!!111

A BIG FUCK U TO "DEMOCRAT" BULLSHIT :hi:

[fascisthunter]

160. conservative democrat... enough said

[Michigan-Arizona]

69. Keep up the good work CP, you rock!! N/T

[mckara]

74. Thank You!!!!!!!

I wish somebody would actually arrest that worthless bastard and make him stand trial as a war criminal!

[Autonomy]

91. Code Pink does not speak for me

Harassing Karl Rove at this point does nothing to improve the world.

Note: This statement does not imply that I am concerned with Karl Rove's well-being.

[liberation]

95. If you have to provide a disclaimer...

You know what does nothing to improve the world? Those passive individuals who haven't moved a finger to actually improve things. And who only "act" when it comes to throw under the bus those who are actually doing something to improve the world.

[arthritisR_US]

97. OMG! +1000, TY, TY, TY:-)

there's not a thing I can add to what you have said. Your eloquence and poignant remarks said it all :-)

[Autonomy]

101. Yes, it's sad I had to provide a disclaimer

Because a couple ppl claimed criticizing Code Pink was supporting Karl Rove in another thread this morning. And all the dead logicians rolled over in their graves. :(

The opportunity cost lost by "arresting" Karl Rove instead of using that energy to do something for someone is enormous. I liked them when we were protesting the Iraq War, but as far as I am concerned, Code Pink has outlived its usefulness. And that's the point: Code Pink is not actually improving the world. Are they harming it? I don't know. I am willing to consider the point someone else made that they give Democrats a bad name, but I don't believe for a second they are making the world a better place at this point.

[omega minimo]

108. Yes, please do tell Casey's aunt that she has "outlived her usefulness"

:sarcasm: :thumbsdown:

The problem with your logic is that you are in no position to judge how someone else is "using that energy." Particularly if you are doing nothing yourself "to do something for someone." What "opportunity cost lost"? Are you armchair- AND Monday morning-quarterbacking here?

The OP made the point that it looks a bit different perhaps to those who lost loved ones in Rove's War of Lies. You don't think Casey's aunt being brave enough and committed enough to do what she did is "doing something for someone" -- not only her family, but countless others? Wonder if Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame and all the covert agents who were endangered or killed because of Karl Rove think CODEPINK has "outlived its usefulness."

This sort of impotent attack on them reminds me of the woman I heard in the market during the first Bush Gulf War I, complaining that there was nothing but the war on the TV and she couldn't watch her soaps. Now, they scrub the war from the TV entirely -- and CODEPINK has the AUDACITY to remind people in their cocoons that apathy has "outlived its usefulness."

"And that's the point: Code Pink is not actually improving the world. Are they harming it? I don't know. I am willing to consider the point someone else made that they give Democrats a bad name, but I don't believe for a second they are making the world a better place at this point."

Who are you to say "CODEPINK is not actually improving the world." Because you say so? What do you base that on? Unfamiliarity with history/protests/democracy/what? Honestly, this type of attitude just speaks of apathy and conformist snobbery.

It's those types, who take their rights for granted and let other people put themselves on the line on all our behalf, that "give Democrats a bad name."

[kas125]

156. "What I said to Karl Rove that you could not hear..."

written by Casey's aunt, Dede -

What I said to Karl Rove that you could not hear...
Tue at 2:14pm

Karl began his talk by saying that one of the hardest things he had to do was meet with families of the fallen with Bush. Honestly…I didn’t hear much of what he said after that…

We waited patiently. I continually raised my hand to ask my question. He never looked our way. When it became apparent that he was not going to acknowledge us Jodie took matters into her own hands and tried to handcuff Rove. At first I thought she would be escorted out so I sat waiting for my opportunity.

Then things got crazy…when Jodie began to yell that he was responsible for so many deaths I took that as an invitation to join the fray. I walked straight up to Karl holding Casey’s picture. I told him that my nephew was killed in Iraq and he and his boss would never meet with my family or any other families who did not agree with his agenda. I had his total attention. He told me that wasn’t true. I told him it was…I got closer to him…pretty much toe to toe and told him to look at Casey’s picture and I held it closer..he put his hands on it and asked me if he could have it. I told him no and that I didn’t even want him to touch it. I told him that I felt dirty even standing so close to him. I then told him as the self-proclaimed architect of the New World Order that he was responsible for Casey’s death..he repeated a few times..”I am responsible”..not sure if he was being facetious or if I was scaring him. I said, my question is…with all the death, destruction and bloodshed you have caused, how do you sleep at night??? Things got suddenly very quite…and that’s when I yelled..I only take comfort in the fact that you will rot in hell…as I started to walk out he was saying “this is over” I went outside and cried…

[sabrina 1]

172. You should make that an OP. It sounds as if she got to him.

That's why he left. She shamed him. He was lying again, to make money using the dead troops. Good for Dede not to allow him to get away with that. No wonder he left. Maybe for once he had a brief moment of clarity, or maybe not. I hope the rest of the audience heard that exchange. How tragic it all is.

Thanks for posting that ~

[liberation]

118. I personally think it is sadder that you thought that obvious red herring of a post

was actually a valid argument.

How have "code Pink" outlived their usefulness exactly? And what is this "usefulness" you keep talking about?

How exactly are they not helping? I mean, they are obviously not helping Rove have nice docile staged appearance. Is that what you are concerned about? that they are "not helping" Rove's peace of mind?

[omega minimo]

123. they're "not helping" people forget that Bushco has not been held accountable & we are still at war

[kas125]

153. "I liked them when we were protesting the Iraq War"

Well, gee thanks, we're so thrilled to hear it! But when did "we" STOP protesting the Iraq War??? Has it ended and nobody told me or the troops who are still there? So, since you don't approve, what, pray tell, are YOU doing to "make the world a better place at this point?"

[kas125]

155. Oh, and you're wrong about one more thing - we do not

"give Democrats a bad name." CodePink is and always has been non partisan. We've been outside the White House as much this past year as the year before, so please don't pin "giving Democrats a bad name" on us, they've proven that they're perfectly capable of doing that themselves!

[omega minimo]

107. O NO you Di 'nt!!!

:bounce:

[liberation]

116. Oh yes I did ;-)

I never thought I would ever see the day in which I would be reading posters in DU actually trying to portray Rove as the victim, while trashing liberal activists... It seems we're stuck in a bad episode of the Twilight Zone or something. Good grief...

[omega minimo]

124. Beyond the Outer Limits

when Rove tries to turn it on them and accuse them of "totalitarianism" and his own BS! :freak:

[omega minimo]

106. They are on the right side of history, on your behalf. They speak for you

if you care about the well being of the truth.

They bear witness to the truth and the history he created, which he is campaigning to literally rewrite. Calling him out on it certainly does "improve the world."

Aren't you tired of being lied to?

[sabrina 1]

132. Who speaks for you?

Actually it isn't about you. It's about people who lost loved ones in the illegal wars started with Rove's expert assistance. People like Cindy Sheehan's family. Do they not have the right to approach this war criminal, as her sister did, and remind him of what his lies actually did to real people?

It's about who speaks for Rove's and his criminal bosses' victims? The tortured, the dead, the maimed? If you can point me in the direction of someone who is seeking justice for those victims, Code Pink won't need to do the job themselves.

[omega minimo]

147. There is no one

and every war has the same human fallout, "collateral damage," shuffling/mumbling/dispossessed homeless.

Those of every generation who know this, seek to prevent the NEXT generation, sent for no reason, for lies, for convenience, for capitalist profit in blood.

[fascisthunter]

161. sorry... it's their civil right to try to arrest him... you call it "harassing"

I call it a civil right and duty to go after criminals.

[mistertrickster]

96. I cheered too. But if we can do it to them--shout them down, disrupt their meetings--

then we're saying they can do it to us.

It can't be okay for us to do it, but not for them.

[omega minimo]

109. Wrong.

Teabaggers were manufactured by Dick Army, their hatred whipped up by Limbaugh and his clones. The health care forums where they started their hate campaign were participatory. Those people WERE allowed a voice in those forums and they used the opportunity to scream and shout and disrupt the occasion.

CODEPINK -- and the doctor's who protested during Congressional hearings -- do what they do where the public is NOT allowed a voice, where the truth is censored, where embodying the 1st amendment in all its messy glory is the ONLY was to be heard.

[mistertrickster]

158. I still have to disagree. It sounds as though you and the others are saying,

we have a right to disrupt them because they are so bad.

Which is the same motivation that fueled a thousand years of religious wars, among other atrocities.

I believe in protest, and I protest a lot actually. But I don't believe in shouting matches that simply harass the opposition.

If it's fair for us, then it's fair for them.

On edit--they would have been more effective with some media-friendly event to get their message out. Instead they did what we complain about when the T-baggers do it to us.

[omega minimo]

168. There's no comparison.

Please think that through and apply your own logic, considering what Teabaggers are foaming at the mouth about vs. what Karl Rove should be in prison for.

In your "thousand years of religious wars, among other atrocities," what compares with the recent 8 year reign of unelected, criminal and unaccountable administrations.

IF CODEPINK doesn't get in Rove's face, who will? Why is the Turdmaggot inflicting himself on the public, why is he protected and enabled by the complicit media.

As the OP said, how would you feel if you were present? This ain't a spectator sport. This is a lying sack of shit that should be kicked out to the fucking curb, not honored and fellated on his way up the red carpet.



"Instead they did what we complain about when the T-baggers do it to us."

Show how the two are in ANY WAY equivalent.

[sabrina 1]

133. When we have war criminals selling books that are distorting

history, and as many victims (about 1.4 million dead and unknown numbbers of tortured and maimed and in refugee camps, their lives destroyed) I will join rightwingers in denouncing them.

But rightwingers don't generally bother war criminals, so I doubt we have to worry about it.

[kas125]

152. There is a difference. THEY yell and scream and disrupt for

the sole purpose of disruption and making sure nobody else is heard. WE speak up at congressional hearings when people like Petrayus are sitting there telling lies so it will be recorded in history that there were people opposed to the insanity. We don't act like teabaggers and take over the hearings and we don't prevent others from speaking or listening, but we do make sure a truthful voice is heard as well.

[Duval]

98. Yayyyyyy for Code Pink!

When I saw this on TV, I literally got chills! They are so brave and speak for so many of us.:toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[mod mom]

110. kkkarl needs security to protect him from pacifist women. poor baby.

[activa8tr]

130. A very insightful observation! WOW those

WOW, those ugly fuckers can't stand it when the heat is on. They never served in the military either.

TRUE CHICKENHAWKS!!!!

[alstephenson]

111. The CODE PINK ladies ROCK!

[Barrymores Ghost]

135. BRING IT, GIRLS!

I loves me some Code Pink!!!!

[PatrynXX]

138. code pink is a little too violent for my tastes

Mom's been a member of them for awhile but their recent email has her canceling her membership.

Greenpeace is cool. But Code Pink's tactics are not cool

[omega minimo]

145. "Violent" in a strangle-you-with-a-boa, konk-you-with-a-tiara kind of way... or what?

Please, do explain :popcorn:

[kas125]

150. Please explain. Please provide links to prove your assertion

that CodePink is violent. You are making this accusation, in public, about me and people I deeply care about. So, I will be waiting to see the proof. If you can't provide it, then you owe me and every other CodePink member a huge apology.

[sabrina 1]

154. Lol, nice try ~

Speaking of violence, how do you feel about torture? Or bombs dropping on civilians? How do you feel about the people who lie to get support to murder over one million people? Odd that you would claim to abhor violence, yet direct your barbs at those who tried to stop it.

I don't believe you. You are protecting a very violent man so it is amusing that you would believe anyone would take your claim that you dislike violence, seriously.

I can't wait until there are more people joining Code Pink in their brave, courageous attempt to obtain some justice for the victims of people like Rove. The children whose fathers were tortured, the women who were raped in front of their own children, the innocent people who were tortured into insanity for years and then released to live with the horrors inflicted on them by those Rove facilitated and defended with lies and denials and justifications.

Come back when you sort out a better way to defend war criminals, meantime imho, if all these criminals ever have to face are a few conscientious (I know a bad word in the society we live in) women reminding them that even if our government will not seek justice for their victims, their crimes will not be forgotten, they will be very fortunate.

Personally I'm still hoping Rove and his terrorist bosses will, one day, be prosecuted for their crimes.

[fascisthunter]

162. violent? Want to back that up?!

[EFerrari]

167. LOL

[unapatriciated]

140. k&R

love the color of pink.

[unkachuck]

142. K&R....n/t

[fascisthunter]

163. anyone on this board poo-pooing Code Pink

do us all a favor, STFU and just stay out of our way. We don't need you to tell us anything...

[Bryn]

164. Can someone tell TY to create CodePink Beanie Baby Bear?

:) I still like to collect them.

[omega minimo]

166. That's gonna be a DIY project, right?

Pink bear, pink tulle, pink T shirt, whatever you think pink, tiny signs. Good idea!!

[Gabi Hayes]

169. code pink has about as much right to do what they do as this guy did (after he got out)