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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:01 PM Original message |
Obama Adopts Bush-Era Mining Rule (to dump waste on federal land) |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. One day soon... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yes, "George W Bush" would have definitely pushed through landmark HCR and the CARD act. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Yeah, the GOP loved HCR & are totally supporting Obama's finance reform & climate change bills too! |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
86. You mean the "Health Insurance Industry and Big Pharma Protection Act"? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Considering Obama severely restricted mountaintop mining and raised mileage standards last week... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. The restrictions only apply to new operations. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Lovely, sacrificing the environment for political gain |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. You are expresing my point of view. Plus no matter how many times |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Without political gain, the environment will be sacrificed by a GOP majority. n/t |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. We should sacrifice the environment so we don't have to sacrifice the environment? nt |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. We keep our powder dry until the midterm election, then move on this issue afterwards. nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Is that satire? nt |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. forum theater |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. No, it's smart long-term strategy if you want minimize the odds of a GOP majority. n/t |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Why do you think not dumping toxic waste on federal land would cost the Dems an election? nt |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I'll answer you tomorrow. It's late. n/t |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Any mining issue controversy is going to be a momentum killer during a tough midterm election. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Anti-mining stances do well in Montana. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Not sure about that but in any case, Harry Reid is not from Montana. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
50. Deleted message |
MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Umm, gee, Dems have the majority now, what are they doing? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Funny that you ask... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:54 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Well, I lot of that is "attempted", a lot of that is in the future tense, |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. A lot of it is a done deal and a lot of is in the past tense, so I have answered your question... |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
49. oh you mean like drilling our pristine shorelines..over 1 million miles of them .. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Um, no one is "drilling our pristine shorelines..over 1 million miles of them" right now, so chill |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. The west coast is already littered with them..ever been to Santa Barbara? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. That's not President Obama's fault. He has banned offshore drilling off the ENTIRE West Coast. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #66 |
81. And opened the big enchilada The biggest portion of the east coast and most of Florida! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. According to Ron Reagan, Jr. - an opponent of off-shore drilling - drilling won't start until 2034. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. And if you believe that ..you must believe in pink pigs flying! eom |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
74. What's the right thing in this case? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. Unrec'd for posting information |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I have to get some work done so will have to take my lumps in abstentia for a few hours. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Information, bad; message discipline, good |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Comrade, you just wandered off message. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. Of course he did. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. K&R who did we vote for again? one bushism after another with this admin |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Yeah, HCR was such Republican thing to do, not one of them voted for it! |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. and that's what's so sickening! just like the stimulus bill! HCR was from the Heritage Foundation |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. "HCR was from the Heritage Foundation"? Did they write it for Nancy Pelosi? I had no idea. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. the Heritage Foundation came up with the idea of the mandate |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. So what? Edwards' and Hillary's HC plans both had mandates. Did you rail against them, too? |
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Smashcut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Well, Obama certainly did rail against it |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Moving the goalposts? You're exaggerating Obama's position & you obviously didn't read my posts... |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. more mental gymnastics to try, in vain, to defend the mandate, straight from the Heritage Foundation |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. That's false. Answer my question: Did you rail against Edwards' and Hillary's HC plans, too? |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. sorry, but |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Why won't you answer a simple question? Hmm? Why the "mental gymnastics"? |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. "white house spokesperson" |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Still avoiding my question? Lemme guess, you did NOT rail at Edwards' and Hillary's HC plans. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. sorry! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. So now you're saying you support an "enforced mandate" - that Heritage Foundation idea?! |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Yes, I railed against them and that was a deciding factor for me |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #64 |
79. I was speaking to amborin, who was against the mandate before she was for it, not you. n/t |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. Nothing has votes until the leadership |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. "The PO did have the votes"?? Prove it. Give me a credible source for your claim. n/t |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Sanders: Senate has the votes to pass public option via reconciliation |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Be honest now. Sanders did NOT say that, as per your source. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Not surprising you would attempt to spin what he said. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. I am not the one who is leaving out a very important qualifier from Sanders' statement. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 01:11 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Funny how those who couldn't say enough |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Kucinich praised President Obama for "trying to do what he felt was best for the nation." |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #78 |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
90. + |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
51. and 70% of it was written by the former VP of Wellpoint no less!! eom |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Really? Do you have a credible source for your polemic? n/t |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. google is your friend..try it..google : former VP of Wellpoint wrote of health care bill |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. that should shock "ignored' lol! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Hillary was on Wal-Mart's BoD for far longer than Fowler was at Wellpoint.Is Hillary suspect, too? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Hillary is not the point, who was talking about Hillary? Not me..read the damn bill and look |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I am making a point about Fowler using Hillary and Sen. Gillibrand's past employ as a comparison. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:02 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Hillary isn't credited with the Halth care bill as the Author ..Liz Fowler is! eom |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Fowler is not HCR's "Author"; what's in HCR are not her ideas. She's just a Senate staffer... |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
75. Sadly so. nt |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
19. Obama appears pretty clueless about the environment |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Really? He just took the "biggest step the federal government will have ever taken to save oil" |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Bush implemented that requirement in 2007; Obama was tardy in pushing it; otherwise Drill Baby Drill |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Do you have a credible source for your claim? n/t |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. yep |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. lol! You just proved yourself wrong. The two laws are different. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Bush legislation in 2007 for 35 mpg |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. That legislation did not limit greenhouse gas emissions and did not kick in until 2020. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. same legislation, just a different enforcement date |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Um, it is NOT the same legislation. Did you not read what I just wrote? Obviously not. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-05-10 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
30. K/R |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
38. The business of America is business |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-06-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
46. k&r |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
89. disgusting |
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