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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:41 AM
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Unemployment hit 10.8% when I was out of work with Reagan in charge
I think after my initial 26 weeks of unemployment ran out I got one 13 week extension for a total of 39 weeks and that was it.

Little different today by comparison.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/29/will-congress-extend-unem_n_516905.html

Will Congress Extend Unemployment Benefits Beyond 99 Weeks?

Rush Limbaugh was on every day calling us unemployed people welfare recipients. I was an out of work autoworker and my neighbors were buying imported cars.

The bad old days.

Don

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/29/will-congress-extend-unem_n_516905.html

Unemployment Hits 10.8%, Presidential Approval Drops to 35%
by dasheight

Unemployment Hits 10.8%, Presidential Approval Drops to 35% Sat Feb 27, 2010 at 12:37:16 PM PDT

Yeah.

It's 1983.

And the president is Ronald Reagan.

Reagan came into office with initial job approval ratings as high as 60% by mid-March 1981. On March 30, Reagan was shot by John Hinckley and the resulting concern and sympathy lifted his ratings to 68% by May.

But even as Reagan recovered from his wounds, the public's concerns about the bad economy didn't, and his ratings began to fall as each month went by.

By the end of 1981, Reagan's job approval rating had drifted down to 49%.

In 1982, the public's view of the economy remained sour, and his ratings during 1982 fell even further, hitting the 40% range, ending his second year at 41%. In the '82 midterm elections, the Republicans lost 28 seats in the House. The cause? The economy and the voter's anger over it.

The unemployment rate in Reagan's second year - a full year after his tax cuts for the top 1% - rose to a post WW2 high of 10.8%. According to Gallup, only one third approved of the way he was handling the economy, with the deficit exploding due to his tax cuts benefiting the wealthy.

At the beginning of '83, his approval rating fell to a low of 35%.

The economy, and Reagan's approval, only started to improve in his third year.

01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% .... Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% *Reagan cuts taxes for top 1% & says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%
01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8%

For some contrast:

At the start of President Obama's second year, the unemployment rate has so far fallen from 10% to 9.7%, and in the BEA/U.S. Department of Commerce's now revised estimate for GDP growth in the 4th quarter of 2009, released on Friday, the number went up from the initial estimate of 5.7% to 5.9% - the best growth in over six years.

In addition, as some may have already seen, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office last week released its study on the impact of the Recovery Act so far:

The stimulus created up to 2.1 million jobs in the last three months of 2009.

It boosted the economy by up to 3.5 percent.

It lowered the unemployment rate by up to 2.1 percent during that period.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:47 AM
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1. My son in Seattle has been out of work for a year
He's in a "protected" work-class, so his benefits are enough for him to live on. he's not married and has a roommate to share expenses. he sold his nice Audi & bought a semi-clunker..

He is (was?) a crane operator at a steel fabrication place. They went from 3 shifts a day to 1.. He was the newest one, so he and the 2nd newest one got laid off.

he's talked about moving back here, but we advised him to stay put.. there's nothing here:(

he's been going to school and doing volunteer work, and astays in touch with his former boss. Things are starting to pick up, but he's afraid it won't happen soon enough for him.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:56 AM
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3. Where In SoCal Are You
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 07:16 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
My fiancee is from LA and she's having a huge problem in finding a job in Orlando. She's a senior accountant. She's thinking about going back to L A but only for a firm job offer. I'll go with her because my small business is moribund and shows no sign of recovering. This economy sucks!!!

BTW- I sold my 07 auto to raise cash and now I am driving my friends 1994 Cadillac with 135,000 miles that he loaned me. Friends and family have also pitched in with loans to help us pay our bills. If it wasn't for their beneficence we would be in even more dire straits. Oh, and we have sold some furniture and I pawned my deceased mom's wedding band.

I don't blame President Obama. He inherited this mess. But I can't look at this economy with rose colored glasses.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:58 AM
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4. near Riverside.. job market sucks
unless you want part time at big-box or fast food places..
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:00 AM
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6. CA Is In Worth Shape Than FL If That's Even Imaginable Because Of The State's Fiscal Problems
It 's the old saw. "Call some place paradise. Kiss it good bye."
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:48 AM
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2. We Will Be Lucky To Lose Twenty Eight Seats Or Less Because That Means We Keep The House
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 06:59 AM
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5. I posted a graphical comparison of this in Jan
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughMoran/5

Reagan actually made things worse, not better with his tax cuts. Why would anybody think he was anything more than an idiot?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:04 AM
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7. That Recession Was Much Easier To Get Out Of Than This One Because Ir Occurred On Purpose
Paul Volcker raised interest rates to astronomical proportions to wring the inflation out of the system. Once the rates were lowered there was so much pent up demand the economy recovered swiftly.

As for Reagan's huge tax cuts I saw a liberal economist/business writer from Business Week make a decent case that "Reagan's tax cuts were Keyneseism in drag."
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:13 AM
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8. The first foreclosed house in my subdivision they had his and her Audis
They had a beautiful young daughter about 7 years old too and I get no joy from their predicament.

But the only thing I can think of is the people who built those Audis weren't purchasing the goods and services my former neighbors were providing around here before they both lost their jobs. And in the process they help put some American autoworker out of a job who lost their house too. Its a vicious cycle.

Sad all the way around.

Don
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:23 AM
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10. Well Since My Business Relied On Folks Buying Good Old Made In The USA Homes
And vacationing in good old Orlando my hands are clean.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:21 AM
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9. same here.....
my family moved in with my parents for a year. my wife still worked and we started a small business. it was`t till 88 that i got a full time job.


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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:38 AM
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11. Remember Limbaugh calling the unemployed and even the disabled welfare recipients?
And back then there was no other side like we have now. We didn't have Ed, Keith and Rachel giving us any support. Limbaughs daily crap went out as fact without any help from the media.

We were on our own back then.

Don
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:39 AM
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12. So, the bottom line is that unemployment under Raygan was HIGHER than under Obama.
Remember that fact and use it liberally.

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:50 AM
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13. By the unrecs it appears some people don't want us to remember that
Edited on Sat Apr-10-10 08:21 AM by NNN0LHI
I wonder who that could be?

I have a feeling we have some folks around here that would like to see us go back to the maximum of 39 weeks of unemployment too. Even if it takes a Republican president and Congress to do it.

But the real story is that not only was unemployment higher back then but unemployment benefits lasted less than half as long as the do now under Democratic administration.

Don
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 07:57 AM
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14. So it is no longer bush's fault?
Back in the day repubs blamed carter for the first few years, said give ronnie time.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:01 AM
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15. me too and I remember when he started taxing it
it was a Thanksgiving weekend!
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:41 AM
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16. 1982 - we were living in Houston
My husband lost his job at Texas Instruments and I quit my job. We packed up the car with our camping gear, canoe and dog. Put everything else in a storage unit and we traveled around the U.S. and Canada for 8 months. Best time of my life.....but we saw a lot of pain in the U.S. on our travels. People were living in campgrounds all over the U.S. We settled back in Pgh. in Jan. 83 just in time to watch the steel industry implode. Ended up in MN for a couple of years as my husband got a job with Sperry then. Things were definitely bad all over.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:38 PM
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17. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 02:45 PM
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18. I saw a graph/chart posted on DU the other day...
... that showed how different the two situations are. The recession we are now in is much worse, according to the graph/chart I looked at. The bad times came on faster and the unemployment is higher.

If anyone knows the chart I'm referring to, please post it again.

TYY
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 03:04 PM
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20. I found this...
... but if this is the chart I was referring to, (and I think it is), then I remembered it wrong. This chart tells a different story about how fast the different recessions came on and the resulting unemployment figures. (I'm posting the link to the chart, because the chart is too big.)

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/04/employment-comparing-recessions-and.html

TYY
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 03:08 PM
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21. Here's the DU thread the above chart came from...
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KILL THE WISE ONE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 03:02 PM
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19. is it time to rework the "stay the course" and "morning in america" propaganda
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 03:10 PM
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22. This IS A LTTE I Wrote And Had Published In The Orlando Sentinel In 1982
As the United States moves inexorably deeper into its latest recession we are counseled by the Republican party via its television advertisements to stay the course. With capacity utilization at less than seventy percent, unemployment at more than ten percent, and depressions in the housing, automobile, and steel industries, it is time we change the course before we all run over by the Reagan juggernaut.

Americans should deliver a collective vote of no confidence in "Reagonomics" by voting against members of both parties who support the president's misbegotten economic programs. The next job you save might be your own.
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