No One Should Be Above the Law -- That's Why We Should Have Punished the Iran-Contra Traitors.

[Octafish]

During the Iran-Contra affair, George Herbert Walker Bush and the Alzheimer's and bullet-addled Ronald Reagan were not just negotiating with terrorists -- they were doing BUSINESS! Few today talk about these greedy warmongers who traded arms with hostage-takers and mass murderers. Some of these "moderate Iranians" helped kill 261 American service members as they slept in their barracks at the Beirut airport.



Terrorist Bombing of the Marine Barracks, Beirut, Lebanon, kills 240 Marines, 18 Navy and 3 Army personnel.

Negotiating with the nation's enemies and then using their official powers to advance their own interests, Poppy Bush and his circle are TRAITORS. And because Congress and the media were most dedicated to their dereliction of duty, Bush and his cronies have managed to escape Justice. And because they are treated as though they are above the Law, many of these crooks have been able to retain power and public office. From there, they were able to use their authority to commit further treasons, including foisting Poppy's idiotic son George Walker Bush upon the USA with a 5-4 SCOTUS electoral victory in 2000.

If there was Justice in America, Reagan and Poppy Bush would have been prosecuted and wouldn't have been able to continue their corruptions. If they were subject to the law, they would today be in a Federal Penitentiary. Unfortunately for us, life for them in the Supermax is far better than what traitors deserve.

[Initech]

1. I swear we live in bizarro world.

By all rights Raygun should have spent the remainder of his years behind bars (although succumbing to one of the very diseases he denied funding for is a pretty appropriate punishment) but why do the Bushes get away with it? Where's the justice?

[Octafish]

9. Poppy was the ''brains'' in the White House for 12 long years.

Pruneface could hardly remember what year it was. He signed over to GHW Bush almost all authority over covert action, anti-terrorism, counter-narcotics and government de-regulation. What a coincidence! Those just happen to be the world's biggest money makers.

George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of ‘Counter-Terrorism”

By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Information Bulletin

A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.

During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.

Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.

The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.

The Reagan‑era National Security Council (NSC) used NSDDs to formulate high‑level policy on political and military matters. The directives ranged from presidential orders for testing nuclear weapons to negotiating strategies for US representatives at various international summits.

Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.

CONTINUED...

http://covertaction.org/content/view/137/75/

Thank you, Initech, for understanding the deep doo-doo we are in, due to the actions of a certain set of players.

PS: Sorry this is so late in reply. "Lights Out!" means "Lights Out!" at my reform school.

[chill_wind]

19. Yes indeed.

The return of the alumni in GW's reign of terrah.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bushcontra.htm

They have been a vicious and persistently toxic strain of pathogens in our government for decades, haven't they? Like the wrong or weakest antibiotic prescriptions (sham investigations), we never seem to knock them out. They just recolonize and return more immune and virulent and lethal than ever.

The only real and effective treatment for such sepsis is stiff prison time, at the minimum.

[Initech]

20. So if Poppy was pulling Raygun's strings, who was pulling his?

[kenfrequed]

25. ?

Why would Bush senior need someone to be pulling his strings? This isn't the friggin X-files. Poppa Bush's father Prescott was a damned fascist sympathizer for crying out loud.

[Octafish]

33. Only a few people have more pull.

Baron de Rothschild and Prescott Bush,
sharing a moment together.

Old Money's servant, an executive in Capitalism's Invisible Army.

[noise]

2. There is some ugly manipulation at work

For example, convincing the public that betraying the country was in fact some sort of high minded act of patriotism.

When politicians say things like "We need to move on for the good of the country" they are in fact putting the interests of some corrupt individuals above the country.

[Octafish]

11. Well said, noise. Iran-Contra was Treason.

For those new to the subject, here's an excellent summation with examples:

The Other Iran contra Cases

By David MacMichael
Covert Action Quarterly #35

With the conviction in June of former National Security Adviser John Poindexter and the subsequent federal appeals court actions effectively reversing the conviction of Oliver North, it might appear that the so‑called Iran‑contra cases have been completed. This is not true.

The Office of the Independent Counsel, headed by Lawrence Walsh, continues in existence. Its federal grand jury remains empanelled, and indictments against several prominent contra‑gate figures are believed imminent. Among those who may be charged are current U.S. ambassador to South Korea Donald Gregg and former assistant secretary of state for inter‑American affairs Elliott Abrams. On September 18, 1990, onetime CIA officer Thomas Clines was convicted of four income tax charges arising from his part in the "Enterprise" of General Richard Secord.

In many ways more interesting are the cases which do not fall under the jurisdiction of the Independent Counsel, but which do relate to Iran‑contra and are being, or recently have been, dealt with in federal courts around the U.S. Many of these concern individuals convicted of shipping or conspiring to ship military goods to Iran. Understandably, those so convicted find it unjust, or at least hard to understand, why they are doing time for committing precisely the acts which the Reagan administration was secretly doing, even as it prosecuted them. The Iran‑contra revelations inspired a number of appeals for vacation of sentence. These so‑called 2255 motions are filed on the ground that since the government had withheld evidence that would have been relevant to the sentence imposed, the sentence must be vacated.

The case of U.S. v. Lemuel M. Stevens is instructive. Stevens pleaded guilty in 1985 to one charge of conspiring to violate the Export Administration Act of 1969 and another of exporting an article on the U.S. munitions list to Iran. On September 26, 1985, Stevens was sentenced to 3 years and a $10,000 fine on the first count and 2 years and a $10,000 fine on the second, sentences to run concurrently. However, the judge postponed final sentencing to January 30, 1986.

On March 30,1988 District Judge Robert L. Vining Jr., acting on Stevens's appeal, vacated the sentence. Vining acted on the ground that since Attorney General Edwin Meese had been informed of the administration's Iran arms dealings on January 6, 1986, Meese had a duty to inform the court of that fact prior to final sentencing. This had not been done; hence, Judge Vining ordered Stevens released pending a new trial, should the government wish to prosecute again. Stevens, it should be noted, made no attempt to claim that he was working with, or even thought he was working with, the U.S. government or the CIA.

CONTINUED...

http://covertaction.org//content/view/155/75/

When these turds can wave "national security" to a judge they appointed, who needs a "Get Out of Jail Free Card"?

This history that is missing from school texts in more states than Texas.

[Gman2]

3. That is SOOOO stupid, Nixon should have been behind bars.

We dont have the stomach for partisan prosecution of Rebublican pres'. Rethugs on the other hand, will prosecute a ham sandwich.
We allowed the cancer that John Dean talked about, and it still grows. If we get a Rethug into office, they will end voting. They are now talking about how voting is bad, cuz the riff raff, that dont pay taxes, will tax the rich. This is where Fox is going presently. And in fact, we see in polling, that people are good with increasing the taxes on those above them. Just not them.
And if we get another couple EXTRA Dems into congress, or God forbid, Obama gets his second term, they will attempt to do a Honduras. They liked the original plot. Send Obama packin for Kenya. And we hear about soldiers being tortured, to get PD diagnosis, so they can dump soldiers, without any health care for their extensive expensive conditions. And no dis payments. And owing for signup bonus. The cancer grows.

[Octafish]

13. LBJ accused Nixon of treason

The cancer goes back a long ways.

Did Nixon Commit Treason in 1968? What The New LBJ Tapes Reveal.

By Robert "KC" Johnson
History News Network
Mr. Johnson is a professor of history at Brooklyn College and a contributor to HNN's Cliopatria

EXCERPT...

President Johnson: I want to talk to you as a friend, and very confidentially, because I think that we’re skirting on dangerous ground. I thought I ought to give you the facts, and you ought to pass them on if you choose. If you don’t, why, then I will a little later.

Sen.
Dirksen: Yeah.

(Break.)


President Johnson: (with Dirksen assenting) Both Thieu and Ky stressed on us the importance of a minimum delay . Then we got some of our friends involved, some of it your old China (Lobby) crowd.


Here’s the latest information we’ve got: the agent says that they’ve just talked to the boss (Nixon) in New Mexico, and that he says that you must hold out, that . . . Just hold on until after the election.


Now, we know what Thieu is saying to ‘em out there. We’re pretty well informed on both ends.

(Break.)


President Johnson: Now, I’m reading their hand, Everett. I don’t want to get this in the campaign.


Dirksen: That’s right.


President Johnson: And they oughtn’t to be doing this. This is treason.


Dirksen: I know.

CONTINUED...

http://hnn.us/articles/60446.html

More Video:

LBJ accused Nixon of treason

Good memory and analysis, yours, Gman2. Very much appreciate that you understand.

[patrice]

4. And people wonder why some of us don't identify a whole lot with "America"

Well . . .

[Octafish]

14. Compassion and the Unspeakable in the Murders of Martin, Malcolm, JFK, RFK

My Friend, this hasn't seemed like America for a long time. I trace it to November 22, 1963.

Mr. Charles Drago on Education Forum reminds us of James Douglass, who summed up the situation for us:

James Douglass and Thomas Merton on the Death of JFK

More on the subject:

http://www.thejefffariasshow.com/?tag=james-w-douglass

Thank you for knowing that We the People are more than just a bunch of commas, fodder units or whaterver, patrice.

[csziggy]

5. Nixon should have had a trial, Reagan and Bush I also

If those crimes had been punished, maybe the country would not have been so willing to forgive GWB. And maybe the sexual misadventures of Clinton would have been seen for the minor escapades they were rather than being treated worse that circumventing the express will of Congress (Iran-Contra).

I find it ironic that the zero-tolerance crowd has so much tolerance for crimes by their anointed leaders.

[Octafish]

15. Iran-Contra gangsters resurface in Bush administration

Birds of a feather...



Country wants Justice for these chums. Corporate McPravda, however, foists another agenda. Here's something that should've had legs:

Iran-Contra gangsters resurface in Bush administration

By Patrick Martin
wsws.org
1 August 2001

The Bush administration appealed to Senate Democrats July 27 to move ahead with the confirmation of two top-level diplomatic nominees whose appointments have been delayed because of their role in defending right-wing dictatorships and death squads in Central America.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joseph Biden (D-Del) said through a spokesman that a hearing for John Negroponte, nominated for US ambassador to the United Nations, would be held as early as next week. No hearing has yet been set for Otto Reich, nominated for assistant secretary of state for western hemisphere affairs.

Negroponte and Reich are two of the three Bush administration appointees with direct operational roles in the Central American counterinsurgency campaigns of the 1980s. The third is Elliott Abrams, named as director of the office for democracy, human rights and international operations at the National Security Council, a White House position which is not subject to Senate confirmation. Abrams was convicted of lying to Congress about the Iran-Contra affair, but was later pardoned by Bush’s father in 1992.

Negroponte was US ambassador to Honduras during the years when the right-wing Nicaraguan Contra forces were based in southern Honduras, just across the border from Nicaragua, supplied and armed illegally by the Reagan administration. Abrams was assistant secretary of state for western hemisphere affairs during that period and worked closely with Oliver North in organizing the illegal arms supplies to the Contras. Reich headed the Office of Public Diplomacy, a State Department agency which illegally funded pro-Contra propaganda both in the US and internationally.

The convicted liar

The selection of Abrams is the most provocative appointment by Bush since his nomination of John Ashcroft as attorney general. Appearing frequently at press forums and congressional committee hearings in the 1980s, Abrams was one of the most belligerent defenders of Reagan’s policy of arming the Contra fascists, who waged terrorist assaults on the Nicaraguan population for nearly a decade, killing an estimated 10,000 people.

As Washington Post columnist Mary McGrory recalled, “Members of Congress remember Abrams’s snarling appearances at committee hearings, defending death squads and dictators, denying massacres, lying about illegal US activities in support of the Nicaraguan contras. Abrams sneered at his critics for their blindness and naiveté, or called them ‘vipers’.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/aug2001/cont-a01.shtml

Without the TV brainwashing, it'd be odd how so few caught on -- even on DU. Thanks for being one of the informed, csziggy.

[pinboy3niner]

6. So what else is new?

We can find plenty of "above the law" exceptions in our recent history alone. How about kidnapping and imprisoning a head of state (Noriega)? The Iraq War remains a glaring example.

Not surprisingly, the "above the law" exceptions usually are advocated by the same people who shout the loudest about responsibility and accountability. And some of these miscarriages of justice can be chalked up to the notion of American "exceptionalism."

Of course, history is written by the victors . . .

[Octafish]

34. That's how and why the pen is mightier than the sword...

...And both depend on the hand that yields each.



Almost forgot: Some reading material for those new to the subject:

Crimestoppers! Know your Bush Family Evil Empire

Henry Paulson, Banker to the BFEE

Know your BFEE: Cultkeepers

Know your BFEE: It wasn’t Obama who Looted the Treasury and Banks. It was Bush and his Cronies.

Know your BFEE: John McCain, Dim Knight Errant of the War Party

Know your BFEE: Goldmine Sacked or The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One

Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.

Know your BFEE: The Corrupt Bastards Club… with Lipstick

Know your BFEE: Olympic Games Show Who’s Best Friends Forever with Authoritarians and Dictators

Know your BFEE: 1984 Death of Outstanding Congressional Staffer Buried Poppy-Moon Relationship

Know your BFEE: Forget Rev. Wright! It’s Bush and His Cronies Who Owe an Apology for Rev. Moon!

Know your BFEE: GW Bush Covers Up His Lying America Into War

Know your BFEE: Bush and His Crooks with Badges Sent an Innocent Man to Jail

Know your BFEE: They Looted Your Nation’s S&Ls for Power and Profit

Know your BFEE: War and Oil are just two longtime Main Lines of Business

Know your BFEE: Bush has Killed a Million Innocent People for Their Oil.

Know your BFEE: Scions of the Military Industrial Complex

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

Know your BFEE: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ford Covered Up CIA Murder of American Scientist

Know your BFEE: Money Trumps Peace. Always.

Know your BFEE: They kill good soldiers like Col. Ted Westhusing for profit.

Know your BFEE: America’s Ruling Gangster Class

Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and "Conspiracy Theorists" at Ford Funeral

Know your BFEE: Robert Gates did more than keep the doors open at BCCI

Know your BFEE: The Fellowship ‘Preys’ for America

Sink the BFEE: Foley gives us Congress. Condi sends 'em to prison.

Beat the BFEE: Poppy’s CIA warned about terror plots and did not stop them

Know your BFEE: Los Amigos de Bush

Know your BFEE: Neil Bush hangs out with Russian Mafiya Godfather

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party

Know your BFEE: Lies Are the Currency of Their Realm

Know your BFEE: Cheney & Halliburton Sold Iran Nuke Technology

Know your BFEE: The Stench of Moussaoui Permeates the Octopus

Know your BFEE: Moussaoui Must Die for Bush and 'His' Government

Know your BFEE: Alito is just another word for Mussolini

Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist


These aren’t labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but they’re meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

Vietnam and Iraq Wars Started by Same People

BFEE Turd Daniel Pipes tied to DANISH CARTOONS

JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

Plame Affair makes clear: USA is run by TRAITORS.

How Cheney Got His SNEER: The Curse of Dick Cheney

Know your BFEE: Dope Dealers & Money Launderers

BFEE Is More than Capable of Bombing Their Own Countrymen

Frank Church and the Abyss of Warrantless Wiretapping.


And for all my friends with those hard-to-reach areas between the ears:

A fact curiously missing from American history and any mention of the Warren Commission

A Short History of Conspiracy Theory


Note 1: The subject is a work in progress. The entries are not perfect, nor are they complete. They do provide a framework for a who's-who and what's-what and how we got here. Started for educational and historical purposes, these threads are meant to serve the public interest. What gives them a special quality are the contributions of DUers. May they also serve some prosecutor in the future.

Note 2: As no individual is totally evil or totally good, not all Bushes are evil or beholden to the BFEE. Nor are all those who gain by its existence members of the immediate or extended Bush family. Nor are the Bushes at the pinnacle of global power -- it is quite likely they serve an even wealthier class. What they all have in common is the use of the powers of the government of the United States for accumulating wealth and power for themselves, their associates and the other affiliated beneficiaries among the world's financial elite and authoritarian regimes. Always, they gain at the expense of the people and nations of the world, including the citizens of the United States and its Constitution.

Welcome to DU, pinboy3niner. We're working to keep the official history honest.

[Rex]

7. I wonder how many national tragedies we would have not had

if only we would have held people responsible for their crimes...now we have people like Rush because of it imo.

[MinM]

8. The Oliver North File: the Kerry Report, Contras and Drugs

Amen, Octafish. Unfortunately, Oliver North, one of the few to get convicted had that conviction overturned due to the conditions of immunity during the hearings. And so it goes...



The Oliver North File:
His Diaries, E-Mail, and Memos on
the Kerry Report, Contras and Drugs

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 113

February 26, 2004

The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations

Coverup: Behind The Iran Contra Affair (1988)


:dem: & R

[annabanana]

10. Keep bringing it Octa.... People need to understand the History.

Every time you post about this, many more people see it for the first time. YOU should be writing some history textbooks!

[Gaedel]

12. Admiral Poindexter

The Senate gave blanket immunization to Admiral Poindexter in order to get testimony against Reagan and Bush. Admiral Poindexter then testified that it all started and ended with him. When he said that you could just hear the sound of a gigantic rush of air going out of a balloon. The senators hummed and hawed a little bit and the whole investigation pretty much shut down.

[Rex]

28. They got too close to actually needing impeachment hearings

and worse for Reagan and his criminal cronies posse. So what did Congress do? Role over and play dead for their true master, the executive branch. At the time, of course. When the scandal broke about Clinton, they couldn't WAIT to look at his pecker!

Reagan + traitor = immunity.

Clinton + 'sex' = impeachment.




I HATE Republicans.

[Swamp Rat]

30. ain't dat some shit right dere!

:thumbsup:

[Echo In Light]

16. The more things change ...

k/r

[EFerrari]

17. Potential Massacre In Northern Honduras Feared

Potential Massacre In Northern Honduras Feared
Wednesday, 14 April 2010, 11:12 am
Press Release: OPLN
Potential Massacre In Northern Honduras Feared

Urgent Announcement

We make a call to the international community regarding the militarization and potential massacre in the valley of Aguán, Northern Honduras. Reports estimate that of over 5000 police and military from all over the country have arrived in the valley of Aguán. There are over 3,500 families with women, children and elderly people who since last year have reclaimed land that was stolen or forcefully removed by the businessmen Miguel Facusse, René Morales and Reynaldo Canales.

News is arriving from the Aguán valley that a curfew has been called by the Honduran Government. This is the preparation of an imminent and violent eviction from the repressive state and paramilitary forces who are under the orders of the Prime Minister Pepe Lobo but who are being commanded by the landowners Miguel Facusse, René Morales y Reynaldo Canales. These actions are being undertaken with the complete knowledge and support of the U.S Government which has US military operating in the area obtaining information and intelligence.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1004/S00207.htm

Judi Lynn put this up in the LatAm forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x34586

[Echo In Light]

18. Thanks

[Hell Hath No Fury]

32. Obama's refusal to back --

a Democratically elected Latin American President told me everything I knew about where we were headed in that region -- back to the fucking 70s/80s when we couldn't keep our stinking hands off the place.

I think that is probably the ONE good thing that came out of the Bush years -- Latin American was largely ignored and allowed to flourish for the most part.

[MisterP]

21. the shadow government was also tied to a lot of the 00s neocons

it started with the pullout from Vietnam, which everyone from Ollie to Liddy to Poppy Bush to Weinberger and Perle decried as the decline of America and a sign of wimpiness that would lead to Marxism across the globe

so in came Reagan with his talk of "getting tough" and "standing up" and "revitalizing America," and turned it into a dump that provided a playground for Milken, Boesky, and Helmsley, and delivered death to 100Ks of Afghans, Angolans, Mozambicans, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, and Nicaraguans

one S&L scandal and one Soviet breakup later, people were ready for something a little more liberal, and got Clinton, who was a little more liberal than Bush; in the 90s, PNAC demanded the conquest of the entire Middle East for the sake of AmerIsrael(TM), awaiting only a Pearl Harbor: one suspicious mass attack later, we were told that "they" were threatening our freedoms and wanted to take over the world and decapitate every one of us!!!!!111111 as usual, the right wing crowed whenever a journalist was hit, because they were traitors trained by Commie-agent professors or something.

all the while, good Democrats have provided cover for this process, since it's no fun if only one party is pursuing global revenge against an invisible, intangible foe

und so weiter

[Senator]

22. K&+R

[deaniac21]

23. I don't think Reagan would today be in a federal penitentiary.

[formercia]

24. Boys will be boys.

Poppy didn't get an honorary Knighthood for nothing.

The New World Order is the Old World Order under a new guise.

As long as there are Royals and Royal wannabes, this shit will continue.

The French revolutionaries had the right idea.

[kenny blankenship]

26. Yes, no one ought to be above the law. Unless they're in government-

they're just trying to keep us all safe.

[Captain Hilts]

27. You got a problem with privatizing foreign policy to avoid congressional oversight????

[Solly Mack]

29. k/r

[Hell Hath No Fury]

31. K & R

:(

[Usrename]

35. Some of the monsters were CONVICTED!

Then pardoned and are STILL out there commiting all manner of treasonous conspiracies. It transcends presidential administrations. Some of these criminals date back to NIXON for crying out loud. Why isn't Otto Reich in prison instead of overthrowing another democratic government in Honduras?

I've been against the death penalty my whole life, but this view has changed. It is a matter of self-defense. I fully understand that these people will ALWAYS return to power and pardon their cronies. I also fully understand that they will destroy the earth if they are not stopped.

[TxVietVet]

36. The same bad actors ended up in the crackhead bu$h's

administration DOING ILLEGAL activities AGAIN. Except for the nutjob Ollie North, idiot extraordinaire. :yoiks:

[femrap]

37. TPTB

never wear orange.

ETA: or their political minions.....and if so, the sentence is in months, not years.

[MadMaddie]

38. My friend it goes all the way back to Nixon....

letting them get by with their crimes only empowered them.

[troubledamerican]

39. Underneath so many crimes ... ... ... they're all pieces of one octopus scandal