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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 02:38 PM
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Detroit Shrinks Itself,
Wrecking crews are preparing to tear down a landmark 5,000-square-foot house in the posh neighborhood of Palmer Woods in the coming weeks, a sign that Detroit is finally getting serious about razing thousands of vacant and abandoned structures across the city.

In leveling 1860 Balmoral Drive, the boyhood home of one-time presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Detroit is losing a small piece of its history. But the project is part of a demolition effort that is just now gaining momentum and could help define the city's future.

Detroit is finally chipping away at a glut of abandoned homes that has been piling up for decades, and intends to take advantage of warm weather and new federal funding to demolish some 3,000 buildings by the end of September.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703950804575242433435338728.html?mod=rss_US_News#articleTabs%3Darticle



It's nice to see someone finally dealing with the abandoned homes. I hope it's the start of a better future.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 02:42 PM
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1. not that I'm not for reclaiming open space in urban areas, but wouldn't another idea...
...be to give away the abandoned homes in exchange for rehabbing them? Sort of a "40 acres and a mule" idea to re-settle these parts of the city?
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 02:52 PM
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2. I thought that was a better idea, but a lot of those houses have been
abandoned long enough to have started rotting, and likely were behind on maintenance before being left open to weather and vandals.

At the very least I hope they are not just trashing the materials they can be recycled.
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Gaedel Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 02:58 PM
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3. Scrappers
Most of the empty houses in Detroit have been stripped of anything of any possible value by scrappers. It is a major industry there.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 03:01 PM
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4. These building are shells.
Wiring yanked, any useful fixtures stolen, and the remaining structure vandalized, smashed, rotted, and weathered. Nothing really to save.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 03:43 PM
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6. It would probably cost more to rebuild
Than to tear the structures down and start fresh.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 04:17 PM
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7. Nay
Most of these places are hazardous urban wasteland, houses stripped and looted for everything of value, unmaintained for so long they are uninhabitable except for meth and crack addicts.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:03 PM
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10. they're at giveaway prices now
Edited on Fri May-14-10 06:04 PM by gmoney
Mean price for a house sold in Detroit in 2009 was about $5000.

Nobody wants to buy a $5000 house, put $75,000 into fixing it up, to end up with a house that's worth $10,000 because of the neighborhood.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 03:21 PM
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5. Somalia.
They ripped out the wiring and copper pipes there when the country collapsed in the early '90s.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 04:48 PM
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8. The city's been demolishing homes FOR YEARS. It didn't just start.
Bullshit on the "It's nice to see someone finally dealing with the abandoned homes."

FOR YEARS. Major budget item. Part of the "clear the poor" 30-year plan.

Where do you think all the houses on that now-empty land went? Think those bricks just rotted?
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:00 PM
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9. Seriously
Edited on Fri May-14-10 06:27 PM by blue_onyx
Edit: Didn't like my first comment. It's was rude.

There's really no point in trying to discuss this topic with you. I'll just say it again...you are misinformed regarding Detroit.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 10:32 PM
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11. right, you know all. cause you live there!!!
Edited on Fri May-14-10 10:33 PM by Hannah Bell
Between 1970 and 2000, more than 161,000 dwellings were demolished in Detroit, amounting to almost one-third of the city's occupied housing stock — that's more than the total number of occupied dwellings today in the entire city of Cincinnati.

Between 1978 and 1998 only 9,000 building permits were issued for new homes in Detroit, while the city doled out over 108,000 demolition permits.

At that time (1989) Detroit had razed an average of 2,000 buildings a year since 1982 — at nine million dollars per year, or $4,500 per home, a figure that had shot up more than 50 percent in five years. That was serious wreckage, the paper reported, but it wasn't even holding the line. Every year in Detroit an estimated 2,400 structures became newly vacant and in dire need of destruction...

There was smashing to be done, and Detroit rolled out the wreckers. In April 1989 Department of Public Works Director Conley Abrams was appointed the city's demolition czar, and he drew up separate demolition contracts for the city's four quadrants. The deal was this: each of the four contractors had to wreck at least ten houses every week; within each quadrant, smaller wrecking firms were contracted to raze three buildings per week.

As part of the new blitz, crews were free to crunch up multiple houses in the same area simultaneously, which was a boon to wrecking productivity: one crew ripped down five "dangerously abandoned" houses on one block in just four hours...

...No one remembered this spontaneous outpouring of commonweal and chainsaw oil better than the city's next great wrecking impresario, Mayor Dennis Archer — he who gleefully cheered on the imploding Hudson's building. It was 1997, and Archer had been on a rampage, vowing to bulldoze every abandoned building in the city deemed too far gone for rehabilitation — as many as 8,922 of them — preferably in a single summer (the one before the mayor's November reelection vote, that is).

In a stroke of brilliance, Archer asked the federal Housing and Urban Development office to pony up the cash. Amid grumbling about ballot-count boosting, days before Archer's reelection HUD officials swept into town with some timely good news. "Secretary Andrew Cuomo granted Archer a campaign wish: a 60 million dollar loan guarantee, slated to finance the demolition of nearly every abandoned residential building in Detroit..."

...Even though Detroit at the time razed five buildings per day — costs by then had gone up to $7,100 each — the number of vacant structures had stayed steady for years at about 12,000, and the fitful bouts of wrecking had "done little to shrink the city's swollen inventory...

http://www.lostmag.com/issue2/detroit.php


"planned shrinkage"

In 1976, for instance, New York City began "thinking the unthinkable" when its top housing official, Roger Starr, urged all sensible Americans to get hip to the thought of "planned shrinkage." The city already had pockets of dwindling population — namely the South Bronx and Brooklyn's Brownsville neighborhood — and if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Public policy would accelerate that shrinkage, so that blighted areas could be scratched off the list of neighborhoods needing expensive city services. 42 No doubt about it, Starr said. "The stretches of empty blocks may then be knocked down, services can be stopped, subway stations closed, and the land left to lie fallow until a change in economic and demographic assumptions makes the land useful once again."



I remember reading about home demolitions in detroit 30 years ago.




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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 10:48 PM
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12. why not?
Why is there no point in "discussing the topic?" Because people disagree with you about it?

You obviously have a point of view about Detroit, and are aggressively pushing it. As a Detroiter I appreciate Hannah, starry messenger, madfloridian and others presenting an alternative view to yours, no matter where they are from, and doing it so thoroughly and with so much documentation and research. They are amazingly well informed regarding Detroit.

As we discovered on the other thread, when confronted with an opposing view your campaign about this collapses and you are unable to defend your views.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 11:05 PM
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13. No
No point in discussing it because she keeps posting the same bullshit. She is not well-informed...you just think that she is because she shares your opinion. Anybody that keeps posting about Detroit's "next land boom" and how it's being "ethnically cleansed" doesn't know anything about the city. I can, and have, defended my opinion just fine. I don't need someone else going from thread to thread defending me.

Seriously....are you Hannah's little defender? You're going from running around DU praising her like she some fucking God. If only I had madfloridian and Hannah's talented of "copy & paste" you might worship me too.



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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:54 AM
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14. lol - you must like charter schools, too. thus the attack on MF.
Edited on Sat May-15-10 01:22 AM by Hannah Bell
I expect i'm a bit older than you; you haven't seen this movie before.

I have, & if you've seen inner city ethnic cleansing multiple times, you know it precedes a land boom. Maybe not this year or next, but it will come. You also know that the big boys get in early, because they have the big picture & the insider information. When the peons are selling, they're buying, though front men & front companies -- like this:

http://detnews.com/article/20100319/BIZ/3190386&template=printart

I looked at those properties on google street view too. all dumps, in bad neighborhoods. though the decaying properties at 512 & 516 temple used to be lovely.

oh, i looked up some of the people mentioned as well. grosse point address & ties to lebanese capital.

location, location, location.

Oh, & WZF is a Detroiter like yourself. I guess that "home-town thing" doesn't matter if your homie disagrees with you.


no one would have pegged st. louis for a land boom either -- but the rich guys were buying up the slums under the table & creating even slummier conditions, driving more people out -- all the time.

because they're going to turn st louis into a multi-modal distribution point for your cheap chinese-made goods!

if only you'd known about it, you could have made some money on cheap land speculation!

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Hannah%20Bell/122

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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:26 PM
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15. pure projection, so malicious and insulting
There is something about the voice of those speaking for power, hiding behind power, be it denying systemic racism or defending real estate speculators or be it a little clique in high school of the rich kids - that is what this reminds me of: "are you Hannah's little defender?" Same thing I heard in high school when I stood up for a kid that the cool kids were tormenting.

Smug, arrogant, sneering, hostile, bullying. You were hoping for your own little tag team clique and to be able to smash down Hannah and madfloridian, and then unfortunately a Detroiter showed up on the thread to contradict your "only people from Detroit know" ploy. So now you have to maliciously attack and smear me any way you can, since your little game plan collapsed and you are unable to defend your positions on this.

How anyone could fail to see that real estate speculation and racism are the factors that caused the decline of the city, and who then could mock and ridicule that idea - "Detroit's 'next land boom' and how it's being 'ethnically cleansed'" - is a mystery to me.

Hannah and madfloridian do a lot more than "copy & paste" and you know that they do. Your problem is that they are right, and that you cannot hold a candle to them. But why so angry? Why do you care? Why are you going from thread to thread frantically doing everything you can to keep certain information from getting out there? Why do you feel threatened by what they are posting?

The only thing you have said is "I am from Detroit and you don't know what you are talking about." When that failed, you resorted to insults and smears.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:27 PM
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16. ha ha ha ha Detroit
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:34 PM
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17. I love that they started with Romney's boyhood home!
And you can tell from Google Maps which house it is since the entire roof is covered with blue tarps. From the street view, you can see the boarded up windows.

This should improve a lot of neighborhoods, especially if the city can get funds to create neighborhood gardens and community open spaces.

It is terrible that housing was allowed to deteriorate to the point that it is not recoverable when so many need affordable housing but at this point demolition is the best choice.
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